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    The club I work at was raided last night. Apparently one of the girls solicited an undercover for sex a few days ago.This comes as no surprise since they are trying to shut all the clubs down here in columbus oh but i am surprised that during the raid they arrested another dancer for giving massages without a liscense. Apparently the girl gave the undercover officer a shoulder rub the later on he tipped her five dollars. Any one ever hear of such a thing? Thats crazy! I mean, what are they going to think of to bust dancers for next? Also, we got in trouble because they found fruit flies in one of the liquor bottles. It was on the news that they found insects in the liquor! Arent fruit flies common in bars? LOL. Anyway, just wanted to warn everyone to be careful, I guess its illegal to rub someones shoulders now.

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    Anyway, just wanted to warn everyone to be careful, I guess its illegal to rub someones shoulders now.
    Just another example that whenever any sort of contact is involved between dancer and customer, overzealous DA's and cops can find some local / state law being broken if they make the effort to look for one. Ultimately, this boils down to dancing today involving girls 'bending' laws on a regular basis in order to earn decent money, essentially depending on a past history of sporadic/nonexistant law enforcement which could now change at any time.

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    Well when that ultra- fascist group CCV (Citizens For Community Values) got their proposed STATEwide law shot down again H.B. 23 (at least for now), it doesn't surprise me that in certain areas like Columbus where CCV is located, there will be selective enforcement of clubs. Sad waste of taxpayers money to appease a religious organization that clearly a majority of Ohio people could care less about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caitlin
    but i am surprised that during the raid they arrested another dancer for giving massages without a liscense. Apparently the girl gave the undercover officer a shoulder rub the later on he tipped her five dollars.
    Thats crazy! That will not hold up in court because the dancer didn't announce herself as a liscenced massage therapist. When she gets to court, she can say she offered him a non-theraputic massage. I do private shows..this is what we do. Do any of the girls have counsel?

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    Thats crazy! That will not hold up in court because the dancer didn't announce herself as a liscenced massage therapist. When she gets to court, she can say she offered him a non-theraputic massage
    oh, agreed that most of these bogus charges can be beat ... providing that you retain an attorney, providing that you can get the matter before a judge and jury who are actually willing to listen to the 'truth' etc. However, this requires both time and money, and can severly cut into the 'profitability' of dancing for a living in areas where bogus busts are likely to occur (or even worse, recur on a somewhat regular basis !).

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    hyothetical question related to this: Say for instance you were working for a club in an area where all clubs give contact dances, but there is a bylaw that supposedly disallows contact in the clubs. I say supposedly because the bylaw is being contested in court, but when cops come into the club, we give air dances (hypothetically, of course). But then, when the cops do come in, they never actually come into the CR booths to check us, and only come back and ask the manager to check us out...and they are always in uniform...

    Given such a scenario, would you posit the possibility of money changing hands? Purely speculative.

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    This enite club bust problem is the fault of all of us, the fault of everyone who enjoys patronizing clubs and club owners faults as well.

    These religious rights organizations are well funded and organized and PUBLICLY stand their ground.

    Why aren't all of us organized behind deep pocket adult industry groups who will PUBLICLY via billboard and open debate, fighting the family value and religious fools who are trying to take over this country?

    A quiet fight is BULLSHIT. Until wealthy, liberal thinking people make this fight a battle that is in front of the public every day, NOTHING will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon
    Given such a scenario, would you posit the possibility of money changing hands? Purely speculative.
    Cops in uniform? Ask the manager to check? Wow, would that all law enforcement be so polite.

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    In Ohio, a person needs a license from the state medical board to practice massage therapy. Still, the cop is an a$$ for ticketing her. It's splitting hairs.

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    Wooster Ohio here... And cops hate us just as much. They tried really hard to get this adult video store shut down and succeeded. So they're usually sending in undercovers in our club. We have strict rules and inforce them. Everyone has their eyes and ears peeled on the customers as well as the dancers to make sure nothing is going on. And usually the staff tells us if they suspect of any undercovers when they come in.
    So yes, be very careful as I would hate to see what happened to Caitlin's club happen to others.

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    You must work at Bacchus....lol....I worked there for a bit....and the cops would love nothing more than to get rid of that club!! LOL!!

    Do they still have the really strict rules and regs and all the drug testing?? Its been so long since I've set foot in there.....gosh....5 years to be exact.
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    The code words are "lotion rubdown"

    Sheesh. I gave a customer a backrub because he asked for one & he was appreciative & tipped me. Those poor fun-deprived zealots will stoop to stupidity to exile us painted ladies.

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    Just wanted to let everyone know, the dancer who got arrested went in fronyt of thee judge sat and the judge laughed it outta court. Although i dont think they expected the charges to stick any way. They just wanted to embarrass the club, which they did since 3 different news crews covered the raid!I felt really bad for this girl because they led her outta the club in cuffs for illegal massages on live tv.

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    P.S Anyone working in Columbus Ohio, please beware the detective told our club owner that we are just the first in a list of clubs they are taegeting in columbus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixiepower329
    You must work at Bacchus....lol....I worked there for a bit....and the cops would love nothing more than to get rid of that club!! LOL!!

    Do they still have the really strict rules and regs and all the drug testing?? Its been so long since I've set foot in there.....gosh....5 years to be exact.
    Hahhaa, yes I work at Bacchus =) Yeah, there really are strict rules. And yes, we're always worried about the cops, cuz they'd love to get rid of it!
    That's really cool you used to work there. Where do you work now?

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    These religious rights organizations are well funded and organized and PUBLICLY stand their ground.

    Why aren't all of us organized behind deep pocket adult industry groups who will PUBLICLY via billboard and open debate, fighting the family value and religious fools who are trying to take over this country?

    A quiet fight is BULLSHIT. Until wealthy, liberal thinking people make this fight a battle that is in front of the public every day, NOTHING will change.
    Not wanting to turn this discussion in a political direction, but ...

    A. putting this 'battle' in front of the general public invariably leads to a call for MORE anti-dance club legislation/controls, not less. The fact of the matter is that, between the Hollywood Stereotype of some sort of ties existing between clubs and drugs, prostitution and crime in general, the NIMBY factor, and conservative politicking, it's usually a practical impossibility to muster anything even close to majority support for clubs and dancers from a local electorate.

    B. if there are actually any 'deep pockets' in the adult entertainment industry, those pockets are generally getting filled via XXX productions, escorting etc. and not independent clubs offering $20 lap dances. Thus the deep pockets generally have no direct involvement in the laws governing exotic dancing, and have little/nothing to gain by financially supporting pro-exotic dancing ads/movements. The deepest pockets actually involved in the exotic dancing industry are generally the corporate 'chain clubs' ... and those clubs actually have a vested interest in seeing locally owned independent clubs getting busted (i.e. it weakens the competition)!

    C. like in europe, any REAL victory on 'liberal' grounds in regard to 'de-criminalizing' contact lap dances and other physical contact with club customers will bring into question the 'de-criminalizing' of prostitution as well. While a successful effort to 'de-criminalize' full contact lap dances might conceivably take place in pockets of 'liberalism', it might at the same time make lap dances unmarketable versus HJ's BJ's etc.

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    I agree that some sort of official decriminalization isn't the policy to pursue. That only attracts opposition. The way to go is to elect officials of either party who are libertarian minded enough that they don't want to devote taxpayer's money on regulating action between consenting adults that's so trivial in the overall scheme of things. Their mindset should be that government is best kept out of private enterprise and personal morality, and their mode of operation should be to work quietly but firmly behind the scenes to prioritize more important things.

    We really need to quiz the local politicians we vote for about their mindset on these general issues. How many of us even know who our city council member is? Or state representative? Of two candidates in a local race, do we take time to find out which of them is more likely to be in favor of more restrictive laws? How many of us have worked in someone's campaign? How many of us haven't even registered to vote? Sorry for the pedantic diatribe here, but I'm getting more and more libertarian every moment I watch government perpetuate itself, whether it be from the right or left.

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    Yeah....I miss Bacchus sometimes. Now Im back home in Texas. Does a little half oriental girl named Lily still work there?? If so, tell her Fauna says hello to Possum Lil....lol.....

    Is the money better there than it used to be? I tried that club for a couple of weeks as a break from Fantasyland.....but just couldn't take the drop in income.

    Wooster has been trying to get rid of that place since it opened....its been there for what...7 years now? Same thing with Fantasyland....been trying to close it for years too, 13 years later...still around, and in a bigger location...lol...you just cant have a blue collar town without a "titty" bar or two.

    Good luck at Bacchus
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    Not wanting to sound like the GodHead People Devil's Advocate, but strippers need to retain a taboo image overall for us to keep making money. A friend of mine started dancing in the early Eighties when she was 18 and she told me she made loads of money back then because SCs were less common and there was more of a stigma attached to dancing, thusly, less dancers- "the college student stripper" did not really exist yet.
    I always try to let people know dancers are people, just like anyone else, but the SC experience has to be a Forbidden Thrill- otherwise, why are the custies showing up? People like to be rebellious, even secretly.

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    Glad my tax dollars are arresting unlicensed shoulder massage performers. It's about time they cracked down on that. Prostitutes, meth labs, robberies, unsolved murder cases, those can all wait as long as we get these dancers. Funny how cops are willing to work overtime in a club.

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    but the SC experience has to be a Forbidden Thrill- otherwise, why are the custies showing up?
    Ah yes, the Forbidden Thrill is indeed the 'margin' of the exotic dancing business which determines where 'profits' can be earned. But as you point out, as the definition of 'normal' in American sexual culture has changed over the past decades, so has the 'margin' point. My aunt has told me that 35 years ago the ability to see 'fully nude dancers' set the 'margin' point, because there was essentially no place in society back then where guys could see beautiful fully nude girls in a classy scenario. Back then there was essentially only broadcast TV and Playboy magazine !

    Today of course, between XXX cable TV, video rentals, and the internet, there is essentially nothing that guys can't see. Therefore the 'margin' point has moved to guys expecting to do MORE than just see to find that Forbidden Thrill in today's American society.

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    I work in Columbus. Where was raided? I didn't hear about it.

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    shouldnt they be more concerned with the actual massage parlors that just offer happy endings? man, its like they dont like strippers or something...sheesh

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    I don't know if you mean Rachel's or Dockside (both have been busted this week) but... Rachel's is a good place. Beautiful girls, professional management.

    Dockside on the other hand. They've been raided at least once every year ever since the shooting that happened in... 98? I worked there at the time but quit after the shooting--too much drama. The place is nice, but it does have a bad rep.

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