Interesting article....
http://www.channel4.com/news/content....jsp?id=832514





Interesting article....
http://www.channel4.com/news/content....jsp?id=832514



I am skeptical... I have this feeling that somehow the first test was a mistake.. Either his test results were switched with someone else or something...
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul... - Marilyn Monroe
well there are anomolies everywhere.
There are more reported cases of HIV partners having children without HIV because their immune system was able to defeat it.
We could get lucky tho. But poor guy. If he did beat it, he's gonna wish he didn't he's going to be violated in everyway.
People are not ruled by their memories.



Some people can beat off the aids virus. The aids virus can't multiply in their white blood cells after initial infection, and when the white cells die, the aids does also.
Don't worry, their(government scientist, and UN scientist)are doing studies on prostitutes in africa that are immune to aids, they actually have a vaxination to prevent people from getting aids, and it is in the testing stage. Problem is, if it doesn't work the people who are getting tested are fucked. They already have their guinni pigs, so he has nothing to fear.Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
I went to class and the teacher was an aids researcher for a top lab(she taught for fun)this was back in 98, they already have a cure for aids,and prevention,its just that testing on humans is such a fragile process.
Did you know that there is a mouth swab test for aids that is going to start selling over counter? Can tell if you have aids in twenty minutes. It will cost about 15 dollars.
Also, aids is fazing itself out. With each new infection, the strain looses potency. like dropping a gallion of bleach into a bucket of water, then taking a gallon of that bleach water and dumping it into a new bucket of water, eventually you end up with pure watr again. Ain't that neat?
There is PLENTY of hope for aids.
I still won't risk it though!![]()
Susie





This makes NO SENSE to me. Genes don't dilute like water. Water doesn't reproduce and genes do.Originally Posted by susie
The HIV/AIDS virus is spreading like wildfire all over the world, just faster in siome places than others. The virus is mutating continually so that 'cures' or 'vaccines' are very difficult to target. The only real progress to date has been in medicines to lessen the effects. Nothing else has come out to stop it. Hell, even education and condoms are a losing battle in third-world countries, due to rumors, corruption, supersitions, and those with hormones instead of brains.
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.




...not according to the >United Nations Population Fund AIDS Clock<Originally Posted by susie
However, there was a show on the discovery channel(?) discussing plagues and AIDS. In brief, it discussed the oldest living HIV infected person(s) (who no longer has traces of the virus)and found that his ancestors came from a small town in England(?) where a group of people were immune or partially immune to the plague several hundred years ago. They found a gene mutation in the white blood cells which prevented the plague and the AIDS virus from being able to enter. It was a pretty fascinating documentary.
"Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."
There is also suspicion that a group of hospital patients in a WW2 European hospital may have been among the first AIDS victims, but of a lesser strain. This has been around a while but for some reason the potency of the virus punctuated recently.Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX





Great.Now because of this new development,it will give some people the "green light" to become careless.
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一个女人的枢机规则:肢体可以伪造,一切必须真实.
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Herpes will keep them in check.Originally Posted by onlythebest
You have got to be fucking joking me. We cant cure the common cold, why? because it mutates .. so does AIDS. Viruses are living things. They "evolve" just like any other thing. They do NOT have a cure for Aids, they do NOT have a Vaccine for aids, and if you want to now the brutal truth .. who makes meds? drug companies. Who makes Vaccines? DRUG COMPANIES. So you tell me why the drug companies who make millions off aids patents every fucking year are going to create something that makes it all go away!?!?!?! The answer .. there NOT! Forget it .. if you get it, you are DEAD fucing deal with it. They arenot going to cure Aids ANY time soon. they are not even close to it. And all the reports about them "progressing" oh .. well read back some and you will see just how much "progress" they have had in the last twenty years. Its a fucking joke.
Oh yeah ... as far as the man in England goes. Congrats to him. Even if his first test was neg and they just messed up, it must feel good to be him. That has got to be a huge relief for him and his family. If he actually did beat it, all thebetter. I think that is great news either way.
Susie,
When people are discussing something that can be very emotional, very personal, and very touchy ... it is best not to make up blatant lies ... or spread the blatant lies that you heard from a girl who knew a guy that was screwing a girl that was selling herself to the S.C.A.A.F.A.B.I.I.L.B.S. (Secret Conspiracy About Aids Fading Away Because It Is Like Bleach Society).
My older brother was the first reported case of H.I.V. in the state that we lived in. My oldest brother (the H.I.V. positive one) and I were both Hemophiliacs. He contracted the virus through a blood transfusion, but I was extremely lucky and avoided getting infected even though I was using as much factor eight as he was. I lived the majority of my early life watching my family study every piece of information possible ... searching for a way to save my brother's life. We (my family and I) flew all over the country to meet with experts and attend medical research conferences. Does that make me an expert? No. Yet it does mean that I at least have a clue as to what I'm talking about.
I started tearing apart your post and pointing out your complete lack of common sense, but after a little thought I've decided to try and keep this as short as I can while still making my point.
Before you ever make statements like the ones you made above ... try and read a book, an article, or virtually anything that even closely resembles the topic that you think you know about. People like you, that spread complete ignorance, are one of the reasons that my brother's life was so fucking difficult. Rather than boast that you know things (because then all these strangers on the interweb place will think I'm so smart!!!!eleven!!11oneone!11!!) which you obviously don't, just stay quiet and listen.
Want to amaze your friends and astound your family? Pick up a phone and actually attempt to learn something:
AIDS Hotlines
AIDS Crisisline: 1-800-221-7044
AIDS Hotline: 1-800-323-AIDS
National AIDS Hotline: 1- 800-342-AIDS (24 hours a day)
National AIDS HotlineSpanish) 1-800-344-7432 (8 a.m. to 2 a.m., seven days a week)
AIDS/HIV Nightline: 800-273-2437
Thank you for your response, Narcissus. It's good to hear from someone who's had the misfortune of being on the inside of this horrible disease.
I would like to apologize to everyone for hijacking this thread and for resorting to flaming. When my wife read that post to me last night ... I got pretty upset.
I'm not trying to steal the thunder from Vyanka's article, but this is more common than people realize. The vast majority of the time, it can be traced back to mistakes where the blood samples were named wrongly. I hope that this isn't the case here as there could be a huge amount of information gleaned from a person that was able to fight off the infection.
I agree that I would feel sorry for the person that is able to beat the H.I.V. antibodies ... living like a science lab rat could seriously interfere with a person's life.Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
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I stand corrected ... thank you, Jenny.
Narcissus
Last edited by Narcissus; 11-19-2005 at 02:14 PM.
Actually, Narcissus, it was my understanding that the infection rate of babies from their mothers was in the vicintiy of 30%? Does that figure sound at all familiar to you?
And they have traced his tests (according to the article) and verified that they were correct. And of course, positives are now always tested multiple times. That is why (again, according to the article) this guy is special - because they believe that they can verify that he was someone who definitely, absoutely positively had HIV that no longer has it (for some reason).
And the young lady who indicated that there is hope for the demise of HIV - she hardly came up with these theories. I mean, I get how you could be touchy and I don't blame you for correcting her, but you must realize that there are many a creditable immunologist who also believe that a suitable community can be "saturated" with a disease. Also - it is a message board. Nobody expects her to be a specialist.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth
I apologize for the mis-information I gave. My knowledge is based on things that I learned well over ten years ago and obviously a lot has been learned since then.![]()
I would like to say that I never even implied that there will be no way to cure A.I.D.S. I'm sure that there will be, if there isn't already. Drug companies are very powerful, and it wouldn't be financially beneficial for a cure to be found.
Irony. You made an intelligent and informed post, but I have to wonder where you get this? Or how you think that it might possibly apply here? Anyone with even a minimalistic understanding of how this disease works will know that the idea this could be applied to A.I.D.S. is absurd.Originally Posted by Jenny
I have several questions for you, Jenny. I hope that you will answer them and clear up the misunderstanding I have with that statement.
First ... what do you mean by a suitable community? What type of community is suitable for being infected with H.I.V.?
Second ... please explain what you mean by saturated. Are you saying that everyone in that community be infected? Thats what I would assume you meant, but I don't see the relevance here. What would that do??
Third ... is there any way at all that you can supply a link to any immunologist that believes that a community could/should be infected with H.I.V.? That would be an interesting read, I might add. I spent a little time reading up on things and then did a search for a immunologist that believes a suitable community could/should be saturated with H.I.V. .... unfortunately I didn't find one.
Narcissus
^^^
Hey - I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked if it was familiar. It simply occured to me that perhaps I misunderstood how the number was meant to be applied, and that you might have knowledge. I can see how it might have read that way though.
I have no link off hand - I read this some years ago (not in reference to AIDS speficially) in a book, not a website. It was about vaccines. I'm sure if you are actually interested you can look it up and find some reference to the idea. If you are not interested, and simply want to refute, trust me, you don't need references, because there are also many, many creditable immunologist who don't think that at all. And also, all immunologists, creditable or not, kind of think that the saturation point for these diseases is excessively high to just let it run a course. I am not an immunologist of either variety, either creditable or not. I am not demanding or recommending that people believe it - I'm simply pointing out that there are people who have reason to who do. "Suitable" was my word, and I mean suitable in size and geographic and ethnic spread. If you want to know what the specific size/spread is - I don't know. Not in any way "deserving". By "saturated" I mean, more or less, 2/3 of it.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth
You're wrong about drug companies and a vaccine or cure for AIDS/HIV. The profit potential for a vaccine/cure is MUCH higher than for treatment. Think 6 billion people times the cost of a vaccine dose. That's HUGELY more money than treating a few million people a year.
Mr. Hyde,
A few million a year? Huh???
In 2004, the estimated number of people infected with H.I.V. was approx. 40 million with 5 million new infections that year. The rate of infection is increasing at a frenzied pace ... not decreasing. Hell, there is over a million people infected with H.I..V. in the United States alone.
If you want to know how lucrative the business is of keeping A.I.D.S. patients alive rather than cured ... just look at our own government!
The five year 15 billion expenditure is the " " (PEPFAR). The 17 billion that is being requested is for " AIDS Drug Assistance Program " (ADAP).Originally Posted by Avert.org
By the way ... I want to give you an idea at how fast the rate our government is increasing its spending on this:
Originally Posted by Avert.org
See a difference? That is just what our government pays ... not our citizens. And these numbers are (obviously) going up exponentially.
The better the drugs get at keeping people alive, the more years they get money from them, and the greater chance that they will spread the disease.
Am I saying that there is a cure for A.I.D.S. and it is intentionally being withheld from people? No, I'm not. But to think that drug companies don't see the profit in keeping people sick and needing their product is ridiculous.
These are the same pharmaceutical companies that allowed people to contract a disease that they knew was tainting the blood supply and killing people because they didn't want to create a scare and lose profits. That is the reason why the vast majority of hemophiliacs over the age of 20 are infected with this dreaded disease.
A vaccine for six and a half billion people would be a great payday ... but an exponentially increasing customer base that are absolutely dependant upon your drugs to stay alive is a perfect cash cow. Do the math for a rough estimate over the next twenty years versus one huge payoff of 6.5 billion people. Hell ... add in there that the cost of the vaccine is $50,000 and that everyone in the world buys it.
Narcissus
Narcissus, think about it..do you think 40 million people are getting HIV treatment? No, it's a fraction of that. Probably in the 5-1o million range. THe HUGE majority of these cases are in the poorest parts of Africa. Ain't no one buying these people a lot of AIDS cocktails.
So let's pretend that you're the CEO of a drug company. You can make money off of 10 million/yr for a while...or you can cure AIDS/Vaccinate against it...and sell it to 6 billion people (I'd be willing to bet the UN would step up like with polio and rid the world of the disease).
Which is more lucrative?
Which company would you buy more stock in, the one that treats AIDS or the one that cures it?
You're a fool if you say treats.
Since this is a dancer's forum ... let me say this from a dancer's perspective. I'll make it really simple so that you can understand, Mr Hyde.
Man. Rich man. Rich man will buy dances from you for the rest of his life. Rich man never dies. Every night, Rich man will buy an increasingly larger number of dances. If Rich man ever does stop buying dances, he will buy you a brand new car and a house before he goes.
- or -
Man. Rich man. Rich man will take you out and buy you a brand new car and house. Then rich man will go bye bye. Rich man will never, ever return. Rich man will not be buying dances from you, never ever.
Listen, I'm not saying that a cure or vaccine isn't tempting to the pharmaceutical companies. Yes, it would be very tempting. Yet a constant cash flow that gets bigger every year is far better than a single payoff, regardless of how great it is.
The A.I.D.S. epidemic is growing at an alarming rate. I'll give you a basic explanation of what exponential growth is: Everytime that the base number increases ... the next number that is added grows as well. Think of a snowball rolling down a hill in a cartoon. That is exponential growth.
If a man asks you to clean his house for him for a month and offers you $250,000 or agrees to pay you a penny for the first day and that every day's pay will be double what the previous day was ... you are choosing the $250,000. Yet, I'm the fool?
Even if the amount of people that are infected every year wasn't increasing ... even if the amount of people living longer wasn't increasing ... even if the amount of people in the world that were infected with A.I.D.S. was constant and didn't increase in any way .... it would still be in the best interests of the pharmaceutical companies to not create a cure. Forget that there are millions of people buying the drugs that the pharmaceutical companies sell ... forget all the income from the A.I.D.S. drugs these companies make except for what they are making directly from the U.S. government. $17.5 billion (lets round that down to a $15 billion just to be fair). So now these companies are making $15 billion a year from their A.I.D.S. drugs ... forever. I've made this as simple as I know how. There are numerous factors that aren't being included or exactly right ... but I'm hoping this will help get the general idea across.
Even with the absolutely ridiculous and absurd method used above ... pharmaceutical companies would still be better off by not inventing a cure.
I would also like to add that I found your attempts at proving your point, incredibly fun. I like how you made mention of the UN and the inexplicable ability for them to generate more money than any single entity (or possibly all of them put together) has. Thanks for that.Anyways, I'll show an example:
Your post tried very hard to diminish my point of view. My post tried even harder to diminish my point of view (about the only thing that I didn't do is say that A.I.D.S. just suddenly disappearsOriginally Posted by Mr Hyde
).
Narcissus
Ok boys, I am not siding with either one of you about which I would do as the CEO of a drug company since we have already viewed my opinion. I am going to say this. This is simply an investment technique. Narcissus has a growing business that he knows will never stop growing and making money unless HE makes it stop .... He knows that AIDS is not going to go away without a cure .... Hyde has the same business and he can sell now and make a very good profit ... Narcissus is going to keep the business open and continue living off of it for the rest of his life, mean while ... Hyde is going to sell, make a quick buck, and then eventually the money he made from that is going to run out ... You decide who is making a better business decision.
Aids is nothing more than a business venue to pharmaceutical companies. Creating a vaccine or a cure would be the same thing as selling the business. As of now, the business is profitable and profits are going to continue to rise. The only way their profits are not going to continue to rise is through the discovery of a cure or vaccine in which case they will make a large sum up front, but lose that long lasting, ever growing product.
Narc, remind me never to hire you to run my business. I'll give you a VERY simple reason why you're a bad businessperson.
You run a lemonade stand. You sell 10 cups of lemonade/day. You COULD sell 100,000 cups in one day if you invested a little bit of money and some time. The 100k would be a one time shot, but it'll happen.
You still gonna take your 10 cups/day? Again, if you do, you're a fool.
oh, and one more thing...every year, X number of babies are born and will need to be vaccinated against HIV. Probably millions.
Yeah, drug companies want to keep people infected. Uh huh.
Mr. Hyde,
Since you are unwilling to either admit that you are wrong or unable to realize it ... I'm about to give up trying. You intentionally word things incorrectly in the attempt to make your idea seem like the correct one. If you are unable to debate a subject like a grown, intelligent adult ... then why are you even debating? Please don't waste my time by stating outright lies and warping the truth. At first, it was somewhat funny ... now it is getting old.
Your 'lemonade stand' analogy is flawed. 10 into 100,000 = A factor of 10,000. 40 million into 6.5 billion = A factor of 162.5. Quite a big difference? You also fail to neglect that the number of cups of lemonade that you sell per day is increasing at an exponential rate. So ... your own analogy used against you:
You run a lemonade stand. You sell 615 cups of lemonade per day. You could sell 100,000 cups in one day, if you invested a little bit of money and then had a going out of business sell. Or ... you could continue selling your lemonade as word spread like wildfire and you continued selling more and more each day. Eventually, you will still sell the 100,000 cups with a going out of business sell.
Narcissus
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