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    has anyone read sixty's blog lately? i thought this was an interesting entry. anyway, i can't say that i disagree with sixty's decision or reasoning at the end of the story. now, i don't know if she was being sincere or not. in any case, the question is irrelevant, IMO. frankly, when i step into a sc. it's all about me and my gratification. so, if i actually have to put forth some effort on my part. it would defeat the whole purpose of a sc. still, i know some PLs might consider it rude or offensive not to attend to a stripper's gratification (outside of the money) in any regards (Happy Ending or not). so, my question is does anyone go to the sc to please a stripper or even think about a stripper's gratification while in the sc? oh, before anyone starts blathering about how gentlemanly they are to strippers. that's a given. also, i'm going to preemptively recuse FBR from this discussion. since, he's on mistress lockdown.
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    Nah, she was just hoping he wouldn't have his head back on straight fast enough to say no to another half hour. I do agree with him saying no though.

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    Funny you should ask....

    I don't read blogs but I will answer your question Mr. P.
    I went to visit an old fav in a new club last night and spent an hour alone with her in VIP that was quite an experience. I'm not a trip report kind of guy but I will say that the set up in her new club made for some very interesting mutual gratification.
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    "A lover always thinks of his mistress first and himself second; with a husband (or SCJunkie) it runs the other way."

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    Gosh I love answering questions. I think guys like it when they sexually gratify women. I don't think it is an issue of being thoughtful or gentlemanly - I think it is something that most guys actively enjoy. Thus, paying to do it or watch them do it or whatever variation is not seeing "to her needs" but the customer's own desires. If they don't want to, or are one of the guys that doesn't like it then they ought not to pay for it. The girl was just making a sales tactic - I thought it was cute, although I agree that he cannot be faulted for not further purchasing. Although I don't really see how his "principle" fits in.
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    Mr_Punk: What if YOU WANTED to gratify women? Does that reverse the thought of a SC being all about you?

    Curious.

    But I think my sc visits speak for themselves.

    My answer to your question is simply, 90% of All my sc visits have activly filled all my wants.
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    He did the right thing. He didnt want another dance so he didnt buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    my question is does anyone go to the sc to please a stripper or even think about a stripper's gratification while in the sc?
    Fuck no...and I'm married to one.

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    I like Sixty's blog. Celeste and Katie are the dancers to see in that club.

    I like the kind of girl who can crank up higher and higher, then cum within 30 seconds when you pull her trigger. Celeste isn't there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Gosh I love answering questions.
    of course...sigh..why didn't i think to preemptively recuse you as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think guys like it when they sexually gratify women. I don't think it is an issue of being thoughtful or gentlemanly - I think it is something that most guys actively enjoy.
    sure, guys like the idea of sexually gratifying women. guys do like to sexually gratify women. so, while i don't disagree with that notion. however, as sixty pointed out, there is a difference between a civilian and a sex worker. furthermore, i'm not strictly talking about gratifiying a sex worker sexually. obviously, i'm not talking about money either because that's a given. however, some customers try to gratify strippers outside of money or sex as well. for example, look at the flower and teddy bear brigade (or just check the dumpster in the back of the club) that shows up at the sc on valentine day's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Thus, paying to do it or watch them do it or whatever variation is not seeing "to her needs" but the customer's own desires.
    now, that's what i'm talking about. the intent to please a sex worker not the end result. frankly, it's not that relevant, if some guy thinks a stripper came 6 times while fingering the holiest of holys and the VIP is half-submerged in her cunt juice. it's still a sex worker for crying out loud and even the most half-witted sex worker should be able to feign her way through such a performance. so, it's more of a question of whose benefit is that intent to please really for....the customer or the sex worker?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    The girl was just making a sales tactic - I thought it was cute, although I agree that he cannot be faulted for not further purchasing. Although I don't really see how his "principle" fits in.
    i'm not faulting either party myself, but i think his point under the circumstances is that she's a sex worker. most importantly, he's paying her to get him to blow his load not hers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    Mr_Punk: What if YOU WANTED to gratify women? Does that reverse the thought of a SC being all about you?
    me gratify sex workers? in what way?
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    I think sixty made some valid points and I personally agree with him (within the boundaries of a SC).

    At the same time, if you enjoy paying to get someone else off more power to you, go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    ...does anyone go to the sc to please a stripper or even think about a stripper's gratification while in the sc? ...
    Great question. And some seriously clueless answers.

    Anyone who has ever actually had sex in a mutual love relationship understands how such a thing is a quantum leap above the simple physical act. Its what everyone wants, although many will deny this.

    The physical act alone is masturbation, regardless of the means. Degradation of a girl may play a fetish role, but the act is still essentially masturbation. You get yourself off.

    Some people want the real thing. They wont find it in a strip club, but nevertheless they try. They understand that the other person should get off too when it's real, so they make an effort to do this.

    It's still masturbation.

    Sixty wants the real thing so bad that he imagines any indication of desire on her part as a sign of a mutual encounter. Even if true, what he doesnt know is that he will have barely begun to find it.

    edit: BTW, I agree with punk.
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    Stant: While I agree that a quick orgasm in a strip club is not nearly the same as making love with someone you care about I wouldn't classify it as masturbation either. I don't think anyone who goes into a strip club looking for a quickie-that may or may not involve some enjoyment on both sides-expects anything more than a quickie.

    I don't really see the point in comparing the two in the context of this particular thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    me gratify sex workers? in what way?
    And right there is where it gets all crazy open ended.

    All I can say, My gratification comes in a mutual format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Stant: While I agree that a quick orgasm in a strip club is not nearly the same as making love with someone you care about I wouldn't classify it as masturbation either. I don't think anyone who goes into a strip club looking for a quickie-that may or may not involve some enjoyment on both sides-expects anything more than a quickie.

    I don't really see the point in comparing the two in the context of this particular thread.
    I see your point, but take a look at sixty's "diary". He doesn't have even close to the understanding of this that you do. He's looking for love in all the wrong places. Masturbation may be a kind way of characterizing his game.

    edit: punk's question was "why please the stripper?" -- based on sixty's diary, which is clearly a search for love. Hence my response.

    Nevertheless, in general I personally consider purchased gratification, masturbation. Nothing wrong with jerking off. It just aint the real deal for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STant
    Nevertheless, in general I personally consider purchased gratification, masturbation. Nothing wrong with jerking off. It just aint the real deal for me.
    While I understand your thought process, I don't necissarily agree on two factors

    Masterbation is self gratification through manual terms. Someone else doing it for you is no longer masterbation.

    And sometimes there is that one chick, so hot, so fine, that money is truly no longer an object, fucking her is the goal and money is the path.
    I wish I could say I have experience here, but thankfully it hasn't cost me $$ ever. <Yes CO, and EVEN, I said MONEY. I'm sure it cost OTHER things>

    However stant, heads up, not everyone thinks like that, and the definition of "the real deal" is pretty reletive to the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    While I understand your thought process, I don't necissarily agree on two factors

    Masterbation is self gratification through manual terms. Someone else doing it for you is no longer masterbation.

    And sometimes there is that one chick, so hot, so fine, that money is truly no longer an object, fucking her is the goal and money is the path.
    I wish I could say I have experience here, but thankfully it hasn't cost me $$ ever. <Yes CO, and EVEN, I said MONEY. I'm sure it cost OTHER things>

    However stant, heads up, not everyone thinks like that, and the definition of "the real deal" is pretty reletive to the individual.
    I thought it was clear I wasn't using the term literally. More along the lines of simply "self-gratification". I'm no stranger to the concept, in case you interpreted my comment as condescending.

    Look at sixty's diary and you'll get a better understanding of my point. When "fucking her is the goal, and money is the path," I highly doubt the encounter will be anything close to the real deal, no matter how "hot" you may think she is from afar.

    mast: If you can seriously tell me that you don't think that the experience of your ultimate dream girl being truly in love with you and passionately giving herself to you is not just a little different than her detesting you but fucking you because you paid her, go for it. You are lucky you can pay for your "real deal".
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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I thought it was clear I wasn't using the term literally. More along the lines of simply "self-gratification". I'm no stranger to the concept, in case you interpreted my comment as condescending.
    it was clear, but it enticed thought. It did seem condiscending, but I didn't look for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Look at sixty's diary and you'll get a better understanding of my point. When "fucking her is the goal, and money is the path," I highly doubt the encounter will be anything close to the real deal, no matter how "hot" you may think she is from afar.
    I did, and you maybe right. For sixty, it doesn't seem to matter. Maybe you have to have the real deal with a hot woman to decide paying for it isn't as good.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    mast: If you can seriously tell me that you don't think that the experience of your ultimate dream girl being truly in love with you and passionately giving herself to you is not just a little different than her detesting you but fucking you because you paid her, go for it. You are lucky you can pay for your "real deal".
    1. I've never paid for sex. Maybe the dinner and breakfast and the room. But never the actual Lay.

    2. I can only speculate but I think there is a wide spectrum between "ultimate dream girl being truly in love with you and passionately giving herself to you" "and ultimate dream girl detesting you but fucking you because you paid her". I truly believe that any woman, SW or not would not accept payment for someone they truly detest, or at least they wouldn't accept payment if they didn't know if they could rock his world.

    I understand your point but what you're really saying is "If I have to pay for sex I'd rather not have it because it doesn't do it for me."
    Regardless of how hot the chick is or whatever. Stant doesn't like the sex if money is involved in its presence.
    I don't like it that way either. therefor. I don't pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
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    I don't like it that way either. therefor. I don't pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    i know some PLs might consider it rude or offensive not to attend to a stripper's gratification (outside of the money) in any regards (Happy Ending or not). so, my question is does anyone go to the sc to please a stripper or even think about a stripper's gratification while in the sc?
    I thought the money WAS her gratification. Aside from that, the thought never crossed my mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda
    I don't really see the point in comparing the two in the context of this particular thread.
    neither do i. other than to say that one really has nothing to do with the other. which is why i specifically used the words "stripper" (sex worker) and not "women". i thought it would have been obvious, but i guess not. so, i was had to point that out. unfortunately, some people may have gotten the impression that my initial post was applicable to women of every stripe and that isn't the case at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    And right there is where it gets all crazy open ended.
    seriously, in what way? you can't mean financially. like i said, that's already a given. for example, do you mean some sort of emotional gratification? like being her friend or something along those lines?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    All I can say, My gratification comes in a mutual format.
    ok, so a sex worker gratifies you in whatever way you prefer and you gratify her in what way? i mean, besides paying her. also, don't tell me about how nice, polite and respectful you are to her and that you treat her like a real person. that's already a given, not that it has anything to do with the subject. however, i've already assumed that everyone observes all the social niceties like a Little Lord Fauntleroy in the sc.
    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I see your point, but take a look at sixty's "diary". He doesn't have even close to the understanding of this that you do. He's looking for love in all the wrong places. Masturbation may be a kind way of characterizing his game.
    you think sixty is looking for love? i wouldn't go that far. now, i get the impression that he's a bit of a horndog...not that there's anything wrong with that. i happen to be one myself. he also might like sex workers to stroke his ego (and his willy) and eat up SS with a spoon, but that applies to the vast majority of sc customers. still, i wouldn't make the leap that he's looking for love.

    what i find amusing is that customers go choose to sc go and to interact in an environment where it's all about instant self-gratification. yet, in a discussion like this one. it's not unusual for customers to think that indulging in that self-gratification seems somehow cruel, degrading or inconsiderate to strippers.
    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    I thought the money WAS her gratification
    of course, it's 1000X more powerful as a lubricant than astroglide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
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    you think sixty is looking for love? i wouldn't go that far. now, i get the impression that he's a bit of a horndog...not that there's anything wrong with that. i happen to be one myself. he also might like sex workers to stroke his ego (and his willy) and eat up SS with a spoon, but that applies to the vast majority of sc customers. still, i wouldn't make the leap that he's looking for love. .
    Punk....that's the whole point of his diary entry. He is making the case that he has or could bridge the gap between fake pay sex and real love/desire sex (or a true emotional connection). But make no mistake; this is his goal:

    This actual scenario, for me, demonstrates the line of demarcation between stripclub pseudosex and girlfriend real sex. If Celeste were my girlfriend, I know I'd act more democratically -- indeed, more chivalrously -- as regards the distribution of orgasmic ecstacy. But c'mon, it's my dime here, and time ran out. Believe me, I know the following factors weigh as incriminating evidence against my case:
    1. I had time.
    2. The money was not a factor.
    3. I adore Celeste.
    But still, there is a principle, is there not?
    His goal is 100% to convert fake emotion to real emotion. The physical act may be identical as far as he knows. It's OK, he's been there before. Reading his diaries is like reading the Donner party story. No surprises; no Hollywood ending.

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    Wow. Who's masturbating now?

    Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for love in the Champagne Room. Never have, never will. Honest.

    I repeat:
    I'M NOT LOOKING FOR LOVE IN THE CHAMPAGNE ROOM. As if I give a shit what anyone presumes about me.

    My "problem" is that I've discovered a certain level of affection for two dancers (out of dozens in this club). Affection that has developed from a certain familiarity with them as real people, behind the stripper facade. (Don't presume to judge whether what I'm seeing is their "real" selves; you don't know my individual experience, and you don't know the dancers in question.)

    People can develop feelings of affection in a myriad of contexts -- a high school sweetheart, a student, a teacher, a co-worker, a business partner, a regular fellow traveler on the commuter train. Service providers too. Have you ever sent birthday greetings to your doorman or your postal carrier, and in doing so felt genuine feelings of good will for that person? The complication in this instance, of course, is that the affection is for someone who is providing me pseudo-intimacy for money. I'm not unaware of this, I assure you. Nevertheless I think the general principle of goodwill applies here: I like Celeste, and would enjoy seeing her achieve orgasm with me, but (on that particular day at least) I didn't want to spend an additional half hour seeing her cum. That's my point of view; from her perspective, another half hour would've brought -- ABOVE ALL -- more money for her, but also, if I may be so presumptious, pleasure. This raises the age-old conundrum: Does that stripper really like me? For more than my wallet, of course. (Note that I said "like" and not "love". For God's sake one more time: let's leave love out of this, Stant.) And I have to say, defiantly and emphatically, yes. In other words, the affection is mutual.

    Is this flame bait? Has a stripper never before liked being with a customer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    seriously, in what way? you can't mean financially. like i said, that's already a given. for example, do you mean some sort of emotional gratification? like being her friend or something along those lines?
    Uhm. If you want me to say "I make sure she gets off in VIP" I really cant say that and be honest. But, sometimes and this isn't all the time, she gets hers, sexually.

    I'm sure you're pissed cause we're (meaning me) beating around the bush, but let me make sure I understand you. In regards to sticky's blog, you want to know if we gratify the dancer, Just not financially, politly, or friendly?

    Well that leaves us with what sticky wrote, you're asking if it mattered to us to the point of which we would pay to provide her with getting off.

    My answer is no.

    There have been many times where I have gone to a club after a long days work and have just been in the mood to sit and talk with a dancer about something other than work. Normally the conversation becomes seriously involved and she would stay simply because we where talking. Sooner or later it would don on her that she was working and making no money and would have to leave. At this point I have paid so her convo with me was not a complete loss.

    ONE dancer, I come in and pay up front so I don't have to think about it throughout the evening, and trust me, she makes me forget.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    ok, so a sex worker gratifies you in whatever way you prefer and you gratify her in what way? i mean, besides paying her. also, don't tell me about how nice, polite and respectful you are to her and that you treat her like a real person. that's already a given, not that it has anything to do with the subject. however, i've already assumed that everyone observes all the social niceties like a Little Lord Fauntleroy in the sc.
    Since I know this is a white hot fire poker in your balls, so I'm going to say it. She's a dancer not a sex worker. I know that lights you up.

    When I say my gratification is of the mutual type, thats exactly what I mean. Its not hard to use your imagination on what that means Think "same time"

    Who said anything about making it a point to be a perfect gentleman? I just think your life is backwards. I bet you're quite the nice guy, and the club is your place to not give a shit about anyone but yourself. Nothing wrong with that. It'd be hilarious to find out you're a high school counselor, or a marriage counselor.

    SOME of us, like who we are, Hell some of us don't act any differently in the club than out. I just don't get what you find so wrong about that? Why is it I can't treat a stripper with the same respect I treat the female pepsi rep if its natuaral for me to do so and not be considered a fucko by you? <really it doesn't matter but it is interesting> And don't tell me its because I can't give the pepsi rep 20 bucks to see her pussy. I already know you feel that if she's in a degrading job she should be treated like shit. I want to know why you think there is something wrong with me, cause I say please and thank you in a sc?
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    Default Re: sixty: Keeping It Real

    I suspect this thread is going to de-evolve into a Sixty analysis, which is fine because he's practically asking for it with the affection for the postman comparison. I can't stop that but I'd also really love to hear more customer answers to the main question in the OP, which asks for analysis of one's own motives, not someone else's. To wit:
    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    so, my question is does anyone go to the sc to please a stripper or even think about a stripper's gratification while in the sc?
    -Ev

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