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    I kinda have a problem with this,is this legal even?

    When my club closes all the dancers have to stay in the club (doors are actually locked) untill all the custy's cars have left the parking lot. This sometimes takes 40-45 min. after we close. Now im an independent contracter, technically shoudn't I be able to leave the club before every stinkin car has left? I mean we are not being paid,it seems we are staying here almost an extra hour for free & infringing on our time. This seems unfair and illegal. I know they want to protect our safety,but that should only be inside the club and of buisness hours we are doing buisness. Also,they let the midshift people leave w/o holding them up untill all cars leave,this makes me mad,is it legal??????????????

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    If you have the choice leave before the club closes. Otherwise, really the last thing you want when youre super tired and sore is some crazy custy following you home at like 3am. Having people follow you is really scary (speaking from 1st hand exp.)

    In this case its much better to be safe than sorry IMO.
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    I agree with Tigersmilk. Why would you want to take the risk of some drunk guy following you home. The guy i work for is very awsome about that he wont let us leave. He doent want to have to deal with something happening to one of us and it being on his consience. i say tough it out. it really is better for you to have a safe worry free drive back home.

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    A drunk guy could follow me home at any time.(like the girls that get to leave day shift) What makes them get to go home,im sure a drunk guy from club could follow them home just as well,but THEY can leave when their shifts over. I know better safe then sorry,but it should be my decision if I want their protection or not. Those who want to stay fine,but those that dont should legally be able to leave. Is it legal? Can they by law keep you retained in the club???????

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    People are most likely to stalk during the night where they can be less visible. Im really not sure if its legal but Im sure the club will justify with the safety excuse.
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    Even though technically you are an "independent contractor" by TAX law, you are bound by the RULES of the CLUB IF you have signed an agreement with them. If you have nothing in writing with the club, then you are LEGALLY entitled to leave when you want. BTW, this doesn't mean that you will still maintain your JOB if you defy unwritten rules, as the owner can still prohibit you from occupating the premises if he or she so desires.

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    Id say just tough it out unless you have the babysitter waiting for you to get home or something. Much better to wait an extra hour or less than to have some nutcase follow you home.

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    My club did the same thing. However, their reasons were that at the close of the club, the security and valet guys are so busy getting the customers out, that they cannot watch for the dancers. That's why we were kept in a little longer. Then when everyone was gone, they would escort us outside where 2 security guys would watch to make sure there were no "suspicious" cars hanging around and the valet guys would bring the cars right up to the front door.

    Some nights it sucks to wait...but, I always felt a little better. If you don't like the rules of the club, then you can always leave...but they won't change those rules. If something were to happen to you in the parking lot or whatever, the CLUB could have a lawsuit on their hands...and they don't want that...

    Just be happy and thankful. There are a lot of clubs out there who give fuck-all for the dancer safety.

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    Many other businesses keep people in after closing - usually they are cleaning or counting money - I'm just saying that it isn't unusual to keep people after closing.

    Whether they block the door when you try to leave - well - that is unlawful restraint - bordering on kidnapping.

    But if they let you walk out the door - like other said - they may not let you walk in the door again.

    The last thing management needs to deal with is the drama of a stalker or some dancer getting abused by a customer - it just gives the local anti-club fools more ammo to subjectgate the industry.

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    Logan, I would be pissed if my club did this. Our club has a door guy whose job it is to walk us out, and we tip him around $5 a night. You might suggest this. The door guy walks us to our car, locks the door, waits for us to get in, and then walks away. I feel safe with this. If someone really wanted to follow you they could wait down the way from the club just as easily as from the parking lot.

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    A club I worked for did this, and I got pissed and found another club. The last thing I want after a hard night of work is to stay for any extra time without making money. I understand the safety rationale, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna78
    Logan, I would be pissed if my club did this. Our club has a door guy whose job it is to walk us out, and we tip him around $5 a night. You might suggest this. The door guy walks us to our car, locks the door, waits for us to get in, and then walks away. I feel safe with this. If someone really wanted to follow you they could wait down the way from the club just as easily as from the parking lot.
    I guess it depends on where your club is. If you are the "only" club around and no other really late night businesses around...then I would say there's a reason to be pissed. But, if you are around other clubs (like night clubs, bars, etc) then keeping the girls in until they can tell (to the best of their ability) that the majority of the "threats" are gone, then I would say they have good reason. My old club was right next to a huge night club that got out at the same time as our club did...and when that happened it was pure chaos.

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    Locking you in is most certainly illegal. What is this place, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory?

    It's the fire hazard that concerns me most.
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    staying until all custy's are gone is for your saftey.....nothing more.....I rather wait til they are all gone before I leave.
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    i think its great when clubs actually care about your safety at the end of the night... i have worked at clubs where no one walks you out but yourself... i feel way more secure when security at the club watches me walk out to my car... u should be thankful, not mad that club actually gives a fuck.

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    ive never worked for a club that didnt do this. At the end of the night, the bouncers etc are busy making sure there are no fights in the parking lot, that customers that are pissed that some dancer refused them..leave.

    Not to mention they are also making sure girls dont leave with customers at the end of the night for money etc.

    No one likes waiting at the end when we are all tired and have drives ahead of us. But seriously id rather wait then deal with being confronted in the parking lot by some guy that feels as though he was cheated on something, an angry girlfriend of a patron .. someone lurking by my car Or a rumor being started that I left with a customer and the mgmnt thinking it's true.

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    you hit that right on the money Tart.

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    Default Re: Not letting us leave,is this legal??

    It may also be to prevent 'end of night' negotiations for extras taking place in the parking lot. The 'locking doors' is a fire hazard but I can understand they do that because they are too busy at that time to watchthe doors too. Other than the fire hzazard, I dont see anything overtly illegal in forcing you to stay till the end of club hours.

    However, I think they
    • could ask you to help clean up and give you compensation for the work or deduct it from house fees or
    • bring in some food gratis, give you time for the alcohol level to subside, and have a relaxing time before the drive home.

    Ask the fire marshall if the lockdown is 'legal.'
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Like VenusGoddess said, LAWSUIT. If something happens to you in the parking lot, you could sue the club. They are covering their butts. Every club has made me sign a contract that states that I will wait until the parking lot is cleared to leave. If I work dayshift, I must have a bouncer or manager escort me out. Because I signed, I agreed. It's all legal. If a club does not make you sign, you verbally agreed in some form, and it's all legal then too.

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    my club does this too...I don't mind it. I hate leaving with customers still there. They think they can talk to you.

    Nope, when the sneakers are on and the hair is in a ponytail, I'm off the clock! I don't want to have to be rude to them.

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    Managers do this for your protection, granted it sucks to be sitting waiting for another 45 minutes ~~ why they take that long I have NO idea. I used to use that time to get all my makeup off and change into comfy clothes, I'd usually be on the phone yapping for part of it while I was locating all my shit too, so I guess it didn't bother me that much.

    There were those nights that I had plans tho and I would just ask to be walked out before they started kicking customers out.

    I know that after business hours, they lock the doors with you inside for your safety and the rest of the bar that is counting bar tills. I don't think the fire marshall will tell you that it is illegal.
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    Some clubs are interested in safety. But the dumbest thing I ever seen was in Denver, Co. I stopped at this little bar to check it out and the way they run the place is weird at closing. It was PT Sports. I forget the name of the township, it wasn't in downtown Denver.

    Anyway...when they close, they make all the girls stay downstairs, will not let them come up until someone yells downstairs...o.k.! After coming up, only one girl is allowed to leave at a time??? Even though the custies are gone...still, one by one. Oh, even though most cars are parked 10-20 feet away. While leaving, every person working there except for management is waiting to be paid. The guy from the couch room, the DJ, the front door person, the back door person (which the 2 doors are on the same wall and about 5 feet from each other), and two bartenders, and anyone else I have not mentioned. I think the waitress was the only one not waiting for money from the dancers. Oh yeah, and the parking lot attendant guy, who walks the girl to her car--even if it is in front of the door, like 5 feet away.

    While I think having a parking lot attendant was great and he would certainly be worth paying, I found it strange that I was required to do so, considering I always had a cab. Also, it's the first bar I seen where the dancers paid the bartenders. And I'm still not sure why dancers were required to pay the door guy/girl. There was no security provided by the club. And in case I left it out, yes there was a house fee as any club would require in additon to all this.

    But this little ritual would also take 40 minutes to an hour when it didn't need to. It just made no sense that with all the customers gone, they made the girls take turns in walking out one at a time. Why not have the guy stand there and watch them walk out all at one time--you could see every car from the door. It was if the purpose was really to make sure all the other people were getting paid before each and every girl could leave. That club must not pay their employees anything. But they seemed appreciative of any amount paid to them, so I don't know. I would just hate to have to deal with that every night.

    Oh yeah, I guess this part is funny when I look back on it. When leaving, the girls would stampeed to get in line. While I didn't realize it at the time, I was last in line as I stood there watching my cab await to take me away--and yet had to wait for every girl. You can imagine the tipsy ones leaving and taking their sweet time about leaving too. It was really tough to keep dancer etiquette as I stood there feeling like such a dumbass.

    Guess there's another good point--if clubs care so much, why do they let drunk girls dirve?

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    I call bullshit on the protection deal. I haven't noticed that clubs are so concerned with my well being. Plus, if I choose to take that risk rather than spend an extra hour at work, that, I think, is my perogative. If the club provides adequate security outside - lights, cameras, etc., same as a normal nightclub - I doubt they are in danger of a lawsuit. And you can't claim a legal mandate to protect someone against their will. At least, not an adult. And, unlike you guys, I would take it. I'm actually not afraid of my customers. If someone is actually stalking you the club can't help you - except by refusing to admit them in the first place. If they are not - the club is just wasting your time. This is just female paranoia (as in related to females, not deriving from females). I've never worked in a club that told me I couldn't leave, and if they actually locked me in, I would freak out, demand that they let me out immediately, probably at that point get fired, and in the event that I didn't I certainly wouldn't return to work. If I want to negotiate in the parking lot, or at the 7-11 next door with these guys that is my perogative - if the club doesn't like it they can call the police (hee hee), the same as any other concerned citizen. They cannot decide to lock me in the club until they think it is no longer an option.

    TIP OUT people - this is to make you pay.
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    I also call bullsh*t on "protection". It's to prevent lawsuits in the event something happens to the dancer AND prevents those dancers who haven't paid tip out or are too drunk from leaving.

    Stripperbrat, the reason your old club did that one-at-a-time crap is to simply intimidate the dancers. How many people are up there with their hands out? 6+ moochers to 1 dancer? Makes it easier to intimidate dancers into tipping. If they were to let all the dancers go out at once, they'd lose that intimidation factor.

    My club does lock us in, but most of us don't feel like dealing with customers, so it's an appreciated "out". But considering no one is there to greet me when I come IN at night, I'm not dumb enough to think for one moment that they're worried about protecting me when I'm leaving.


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    Amethyst, I completely agree with the intimidation crap. I don't live in Denver, but I stopped through at this club two different times. I thought maybe it would be different the second time I went. It was like 5 months apart too. Still, same girls, same people and their intimidating crap.

    I couldn't take it. I just went downtown to the Diamond Cabaret. It was more me and my style--and easy to leave at night. I never did fit in at the other place, but it seemed easy to get attention since I was the only one who even seemed to own a gown. I guess it didn't blend in with a basketball stage...lol. But if there was a single business guy in the place, I didn't even have to try and land him--he came to me.

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