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    Default Jury recommends DEATH for dickhead

    Stuff like this keeps me warm at night...



    I'm rarely in favor if the death penalty, but i think there isn't any serious doubt in this case. I mean the asshole was caught on CAMERA! Nah, fry this one. Fuck that needle. That's too easy. This dude should be drawn and quartered. Or keel hauled... Or given the ol' bronze bull treatment... Or.. or... or something really really nasty...


    Here's the lousy part...



    Give me five minutes alone with this dude and i'll save the state of florida a shitload of cash...

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    i'm not one to really like the death penalty...but i'm glad this guy got it. People like that make me sick! She was just a baby...
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    If the US constitution forbids "cruel and unusual punishments," I'd say outsourcing is the solution. Ship him off to Mexico or somewhere where they can draw out his death into a torturous event spanning days, months, weeks, years. Or just put him in the main prisons, where he'll be raped to death by fellow inmates. Remember the bishop who was killed by his cellmate?

    Two events come to mind:
    1) In high school, a girl got raped by her boyfriend. Her friends went after him. They broke into his house, beat him up, and waited for him to regain consciousless every time he was KO'd. When they get tired, they gave him an especially bad beatdown, took a curling iron, stuck it up his ass, plugged it in, turned it on, and left. They drove by his house a week later, and a moving van was in front of it.
    2) Another girl got raped, and her friends also defended her honor. They threw him a party to "congratulate" him on his machismo victory. When the rapist got there, they hung him from a tree by his ankles and played pinata with his ass all night long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Here's the lousy part...

    Florida capital cases go through as many as nine steps, many repeatable, before inmate runs out of options.

    Give me five minutes alone with this dude and i'll save the state of florida a shitload of cash...
    You do know that innocent people get executed, right? It was probably a lot worse when the used to just take them out back, and string em up. Our legal system is designed to save the 1 falsely convicted in 1000, and it still fails at that.

    Florida would be hit with a massive wrongful death suit, no savings there.

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    I've been following that story from the moment it appeared on CNN. The guy deserves to die, but on the other hand, I think he should have to suffer mentally for life thinking about what he did. I'm so mixed on the issue, but at least he was convicted on all of the counts. Sick bastard

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    I watched almost the entire trial on court tv...Carlies father wanted the a**shole to get life because he said that the inmates don't treat a guy like him very well inside. In fact Carlie's dad said that inmates have already written him but remained quiet about what was actually said. I think it is pretty much common knowledge that guys like these (child killers,rapists) are in for hell inside prisons compliments of the other inmates. I believe he should get death, but I wouldn't be against life either. The guy admitted doing it in phone conversations with his family..which they played at the trial..this is no mistake..he did it..plus his sperm was found on her little red shirt...that F*CKER!

    My daughter is the same exact age as Carlie was and looks VERY similar..it just makes me SICK what happened to her!


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    ALL for the Death Penalty. Sorry, you harm a child, you deserve to die. I just wish it didn't take years upon years to carry out the death sentences. It should be the way it used to be.. What was it? Sundown or something?

    Most of these fuckers show absolutely no remorse for what they did. So, sitting around in a jail cell isn't going to do shit to them. They don't care.

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    If he was put in general prison population the problem would go away !

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    ^True... The other prisoners just LOVE child murderers/molesters in prison. Even those who are in there for the same offenses would take care of him in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox
    You do know that innocent people get executed, right? It was probably a lot worse when the used to just take them out back, and string em up. Our legal system is designed to save the 1 falsely convicted in 1000, and it still fails at that.

    Florida would be hit with a massive wrongful death suit, no savings there.
    1. They caught the guy on video.
    2. He left his spunk on her.
    3. He admitted it himself.

    Case closed. Git a fuckin' rope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    1. They caught the guy on video.
    2. He left his spunk on her.
    3. He admitted it himself.

    Case closed. Git a fuckin' rope!
    I'm not excusing what he did, but I will argue to whatever length you desire that EVERYONE is entitled to due process. If you don't like that, "git" the fuck outta this country.

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    ^Fa sho.. Sorry, they have the proof, and the confession. Innocent people do get executed, I'll give ya that, lunchbox.. But this scumbag won't be one of them. Guilty as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greggy
    I've been following that story from the moment it appeared on CNN. The guy deserves to die, but on the other hand, I think he should have to suffer mentally for life thinking about what he did.
    He wouldn't suffer thinking about it. He would be aroused thinking about it. He is a child rapist; he has no remorse, or even if he does, he can't help being turned on by it. He should have been executed the FIRST time he was convicted of violating a child, and then this little girl would still be alive and enjoying her childhood.

    The silver lining here is that guys who fuck kids usually get numerous visits from the Karma Fairy once they get to jail. Then they learn exactly how much fun the child was having while they got their rocks off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox
    I'm not excusing what he did, but I will argue to whatever length you desire that EVERYONE is entitled to due process. If you don't like that, "git" the fuck outta this country.
    He GOT his due process. Open-------->shut. It's a sad fact that this fucker is sucking air as i type this.

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    I get what you are saying about feeling very angry over certain crimes. However, I generally think that it is not to serve our feelings of outrage that we have a justice system. Which may be why we like to call it a justice system and not an outrage system. Institutionalized murder is a very questionable solution to these problems, from a practical as well as ethical standpoint. Practical being - that this is not a nice man. However there have been lots of people in the US, Canada and Britain that we have thought - frequently for long periods of time - weren't nice, that turned out to be perfectly decent people. In the US (we recently had a lecture from the guy who runs the project in the UK that investigates false conviction - he had a lot of criticisms of your methods. So I know like everything you guys do wrong, now) you rely heavily on forensics and DNA, although they figure largely in only a fraction of the criminal cases. Thus 3/4 of the cases are all but ignored, and you are STILL finding all sorts of errors and problems, false convictions, even after people have been executed. There have been a lot. So as a simple policy measure, it seems like a bad idea.

    To give you some background - some of the Toronto-ish girls may remember Guy Paul Morin. I grew up in a nearby blue collar town in which that crime took place and I was a very little girl when he was arrested and eventually convicted of the rape and murder of Christine Jessup (a child, whose precise age escapes me right now). Now, we were all so sure that he was guilty. There was no community sense of "innocent until proven guilty" but a strong sense "the police wouldn't have arrested him unless he had done something" and "the wouldn't prosecute unless he had done something." And of course, after many, many years in prison we find out that he was completely, definitively, aboslutely not guilty. If we had a death penalty, he would have been executed. Finding out, years later, that it was, in essence, a police frame-up, was like finding out that Paul Bernardo or Jeffrey Dalmer didn't do it. It was beyond shocking. I know more than one person, usually a little older than me, whose opinion of the death penalty changed, directly as a result of Morin's exoneration. Because his exoneration took over 10 years, and people remember just how SURE everyone was that he deserved to be taken care of by a general prison population, etc., etc. Like, we were all really, really sure.

    In addition - you might be surprised at the feelings of some victims and families of victims on the death penalty. In Law and Order the families and victims are all dying for the guy (or girl) to fry. But that is not always inevitably the case; and you seldom get any follow up on whether or not the execution REALLY helps anyone - that is, if there is any closure or contentment after it is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    He wouldn't suffer thinking about it. He would be aroused thinking about it. He is a child rapist; he has no remorse, or even if he does, he can't help being turned on by it.
    That's also not altogether true. There are pedophiles who feel tremendous pain and regret. I'm not saying that makes it okay, or that being sorry is adequate or anything. But many suffer, even if they are not caught from tremendous guilt and remorse. There is, actually, (I think - psychology people - opinions) an unexpectedly high rate of suicide.

    Of course, this guy did kill somebody. Which is an entirely different kind of illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I generally think that it is not to serve our feelings of outrage that we have a justice system.
    Nope. We have a justice system to protect the innocent. I do not believe the death penalty is an effective form of punishment, but it *IS* an effective form of removing someone from the planet who we know is a risk to others. Pedophiles have a repeat-offender rate of approximately 100%. They have a mental disorder and they honestly cannot help the fact that they have an irresistible urge to rape children. And it ALWAYS escalates. They start with molestation, graduate to rape, and then kill their victims whenever they get the opportunity.

    If your pit bull mauls a neighborhood child, you have to put it down. Otherwise, you are liable when it mauls another kid because you knew the dog would do it, and you didn't stop it. It's the same thing. Once someone proves himself to be incapable of safely sharing the planet with us - and ONE instance of violating a child is sufficient to prove this - then we have an obligation to get rid of him. It isn't personal, it's to protect the children he will otherwise hurt in the future.

    This guy was already a registered pedophile. We KNEW he was going to do it and we let him wander around anyway, and now a little girl was tortured to death. IMO we as a society are culpable in her death as well because we allowed this monster to roam loose among the innocent.

    Think of Planet Earth as a nightclub. If you are a threat to innocent people in the club, you get bounced. Makes perfect sense to me.

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    ^^
    Actually I thought the re-offense rate was closer to 50%. And, again, not a psychology major, but I would be extremely surprised if that was correct - it escalating to murder, inevitably. Like, extremely surprised. What pedophilia is, is an attraction to children, or young teenager. Not a prediliction to murder. I had the ... I don't know, privilege? Opportunity? of volunteering in a rape crisis centre for a few years. I knew, spoke to (never counselled, completely unqualified, don't want to give a false impression), babysat for many, many women who had been victims of pedophiles, usually family members or pseudo members, sometimes for years, and the offenders never killed anybody; and never seemed to consider it. Indeed, generally the threats are more in the nature of "nobody will believe you" to "I won't love you anymore" than "I'll kill you/hurt you if you tell".

    And of course, if we are interested in protecting the innocent, we might think that the innocent are well and truly protected while he is in jail. We can remove him from society; we can remove him from the streets. We don't need to remove him from the planet to protect people. It demonstrably doesn't work as a deterrent. And the planet is not a night club. I think that is actually an important distinction. We are not refusing people admission. We are killing them.
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    I am with Jenny on this subject.

    I would rather make these scum bags like Smith into lab rats and run tests on them for the rest of their lives.

    I'd like for society to be able to figure out what makes people commit these horrible crimes in the first place. Maybe if we can figure that out then we could actually stop these kinds of crimes BEFORE they even occur.

    At the very least, I think it should be a mandatory requirement that these people have their brains donated to science as part of the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    That's also not altogether true. There are pedophiles who feel tremendous pain and regret.
    I'm sure there are. But they still get turned on by it, and they're still going to do it again. So we have to stop them, and the only way to do that is to execute them. It sucks because they can't help it, but it's worse for their future victims if we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Give me five minutes alone with this dude and i'll save the state of florida a shitload of cash...
    While I agree with your statement, in view of the severity of the crime, I think it might be a better idea to stretch it out over a week. No sense letting him get off easy.
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    I'm against the death penalty. it makes no social, psychological, theological sense. the only argument I could understand is economic, if we're paying more to keep him behind bars. this guy may be suicidal, he might hate the world, he might hate the very thought of thinking. and so we decide to do him a huge favor and peacefully rock him to sleep? it couldn't be more ludicrous if the witnesses sang Oh Danny Boy. the victims might even feel GUILTY about being privy to it. they watch his last remorseless hours and that's closure? for us, because we like to believe in Hollywood endings. add to that if they're superstitious or become anxiety-stricken, now they get to worry about being haunted. The convict may not suffer in the hereafter or feel any pain. I'm not Christian, but he might even repent at the last minute and end up in heaven with the girl. if that's outside of the scope of legal reason, why is there a chaplain there to read scriptures? so much for punishment. in no religious theology is he punished, not christianity, not atheism, not buddhism, hinduism, none. does zero. I think it makes more sense to put him in prison for life and let other scumbags who have a hierarchy of scumbagishness gang up on him. some of those prisoners have children that they visit, have pictures of, get letters from, and hope to see if it's the last thing they do. they imagine the rapist did that to one of their own daughters or sons. Two words: fresh fish. he would get his payback by even being paranoid about the atmosphere. they could always decide to fry him later and he could even wonder when. plus some killers and rapists do these things just to become famous. the easiest way to make people famous is to kill them, rather than letting them wither into obscurity. And we kill them in a way they practically request. They get to read their last words, as in McVeigh who picked the most pretensious poem imaginable and lay people even thought he had written it, finding him curiously thought-provoking at the worst possible time. It's a production, televised, and viewed. All analogies of power, as in the Godfather, Leatherfolk, The Blacks, show that the person at the bottom is invariably in total control, the chaplain and others are just supporting actors, and everything is being done for this person's convenience and glory. How hard is it to interpret a situation like that if you're in it and on top of that you have no feeling? They're the center of attention and the peak of their sordid lives anyway so they feel they might as well go out with a bang.
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    Maybe innoculate the dude with the HIV virus and then test out ways to maybe cure it again and again and again? Why lock up a chimp, that did nothing wrong, for it's whole life when we got this idiot and people like him to experiment on?

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    Madcap, that is a TERRIFIC idea.

    I just want to make sure security is tight, tight, tight so he never stands a chance of getting out. Maybe we could convert Alcatraz into a testing facility, and tighten the security a bit.

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    I agree too! They should be good for something at least.

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