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    Okay im sorry if this comes off harsh but im sick to death of extras girls killing my clientel!
    Take tonight for example
    Me - "Hey sweetie havnt seen you in a couple weeks"
    Custy - "well I found a new fav she lets me suck her nipples and grinds on me just the way I like so i've been spending a lot of time with her"

    WTF MAN!!!

    This guy was a great regular who spent great amounts of money on me. This isnt the first one. I lost a regular to a girl who lets him lick beer out of her ass.

    Also this is another girl going around the club talking shit to my regulars about me saying my tits are fake that im known for sleazy shit in VIP etc... I have never once seen this girl until friday and I was very friendly to her so WTF!!

    The other one getting to me... 'well this girl will give me two dances for $20 and let me suck her nipples' (each dance is $20) Why in the hell would a girl give a 2 for 1 deal? I know for a fact its being done too.

    Like seriously people there are huge signs posted all over VIP stating "NO SEXUAL CONTACT"

    These girls are absalutly killing the money thing for me and any other clean dancers.

    Okay I step off my box and hide under a tree. I just really needed to rant. The DJ felt so bad for me tonight he actually let me leave a little early and still get paid on schedual. I was ready to rip heads off. And if I find this girl thats talking shit about me(im 99% sure I know who it is one customer pointed her out to me but I want to make sure its her) Im going to rip her head off because I did nothing to her! I even offered to lend her my shoes for her stage show because hers were broken!!!

    To top the night off I got ripped off by another customer. I gave him two dances, he said he only had $20 so he was going to the bank machine. I got called to stage so I said i'll be back. I did my stage show came back asked him for the money he said 'what money?' I went and told the manager he confronted the guy and the guy claimed I said I would give him 1 and a half dances for $25 and he gave me the $25!!! I was like 'WHAT ONE AND A HALF DANCES?!" who in the hell would do that? Thank god tomorrow is my day off..

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    Default Re: Rant! To all you extras girls a big F U!! A Bad night..

    I would tell your manager about these "usual suspects" and see if he/she does something about this.If they don't,then I would try a different club.A manager that lets that kind of things go on,apparently cares less about your welfare in the club.
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    I also really hate when girls do "extras" I think that it is disgusting and it pisses me off when I lose customers to girls who will do "more" for them. I don't care what girls do with customers outside of the club, but when you are in the club, make the guys keep their tongues in their mouths and their dicks in their pants. I'm so sick of doing a private dance for guys who, after trying to lick or grab me, say, "well the other girl let me do it." By doing extras, you are making the club look dirty and disgusting, and making guys think that it is ok to do these things to all the girls in the club. Like I said, what goes on outside of the club is your business, but it's not fair when my money is messed with because I won't do things that other girls will do.

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    It shocks me that this shit is happening at this club, its one of the classier ones around. I cant pin point any one girl there are just so many of them and yet they are so descrete about it! And if I tell a guy 'no I dont like guys touching my tits' then the guy calls off the dance. So I end up losing out on a customer that i know would spend more but he knows there are girls that will let him play with their tits! I love this club dearly minus the little faults it has... im ready to go back to my old club I had a lot of fun there and it was always packed so if one guy shrugged you off there were others. But this club has champagne rooms and stuff so there is lots of money to be made. I guess I gotta suck it up. I hate the fact Toronto is such a high mileage area to dance.

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    I agree with OTB..... we have a girl at our club right now who insists on wear sheer panties.... we are a topless club no cookies are to be shown but this girl well lets just say is dirty. We dancers have all tried to be nice and tell her that isnt allowed and she just rolls her eyes and walks away mumbling .." don't be jealous". grrrrr. Well today a few os us were talking to one of the managers who is extra cool and tol dhim we were afraid for her. When he asked us why we told him we heard some girls talking about teaching her a lesson. He is going to handle her next time she works.

    Have you tried to speak with management about the problem girls???


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    At the main club that I work at, the manager is great. She doesn't put up with any extas at all.... you don't get a warning if she finds out you do extras, you just get fired right away... but when I travel and am the new girl at a club, and I talk to a manager, they just kind of blow me off and say that they'll pay more attention to that girl to see what she's doing.... but then they never do anything about it. I love the club I'm at now... none of the regular house girls (like me) do extras, but when we get traveling girls in, those are the ones who seem to think they can get away with things. I think extras are disgusting, and its the girls who do extras that are the reason why strippers have the reputation that we do....

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    I have tried being reasonable with the customer as well. I will say 'well hun is it fair for me to lose my job over something like this? And besides I dont want to see you get kicked out of the club'. The I get the 'well we dont have to let anyone see us' line. Then I point ot he cameras and say 'well its hard to hide it from those'. Apparently girls have told guys the cameras dont work... FFS!!!!!! Once I figure out who all these girls are I swear im handing in a nice list the managment!

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    Handing in a list of extras girls to mgmt won't do any good. It never does. They just tell you they'll handle it to placate you then go back to ignoring the problem. They don't care as long as the girls are selling dances.

    You will just have to learn some more tricks and step up the hustle, change clubs or accept lower earnings and losing regs to extras girls. There's nothing else that will work.

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    Handing in a list of extras girls to mgmt won't do any good
    In fact, reminding management of which girls are selling private dances left and right (with the help of 'extras'), versus which girls are not selling anywhere near as many private dances, may actually serve to get management thinking about firing the 'underperformers' instead.

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    Oh Cally I know what you mean! Ive lost so many dances because of "extra" girls! One of our clean girls lost 7 dances in a 4 hour shift cos she wouldnt touch/fuck/suck!

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    Cally - here's the thing. I appreciate your irritation, and I'm not trying to censor your feelings. But some of the contact your describe is standard in Toronto (grinding, for example). A lot, many, even most girls do it. If you don't want to, and make money not doing it terrific, super, great and I would never encourage you to do anything you don't want to. But I don't know that you can legitimately fault other girls for performing to the local standard. I feel your pain - I've had a bitch of a time the last two nights I've been at work, and really, I'm not an untouchable princess (on the untouchable princess scale, I'm much closer to the skank side of the spectrum).
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    I never quite understood this. If all dancers stuck together and none of them did extras, customers wouldn't expect it. Why would you want to do any of those things for a measly $20 like they do in a club I used to work in when you don't have to? Like Melonie said, management wants to make money, they don't care how. Most of the time they know what's going on. In the club I mentioned, letting a guy touch your ass was considered to be a breach of the rules. Now, 5 years later, if you don't give $40 hand jobs, you aren't making any money. The new breed of dancer doesn't understand they are selling themselves short. Management gives the good shifts to the extra girls, but will deny their club isn't clean until they're blue in the face, even though plenty of us have seen it first hand on cameras in the office. Needless to say, I don't work here anymore.

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    I don't know - no dancers want to stick together because we are almost all of us in this for short term gain. Nobody wants to sacrifice short term gain for long term gain, if you are involved exclusive for the short term, right?

    And I've worked in clubs with pretty hardcore girls and outearned them on sheer effort and charm. So as much as I am dying (and seriously, after two consecutive sucky shifts, I am DYING to blame someone besides myself) to blame the whorish other girls for the fact that I am not making money, having seen it demonstrated so amply in the past that being a whore doesn't necessarily net you all the cash, I have difficulty believing that is all there is to it.
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    Cally,I'm sorry this happened ,it's just ridiculous....

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    And I've worked in clubs with pretty hardcore girls and outearned them on sheer effort and charm. So as much as I am dying (and seriously, after two consecutive sucky shifts, I am DYING to blame someone besides myself) to blame the whorish other girls for the fact that I am not making money, having seen it demonstrated so amply in the past that being a whore doesn't necessarily net you all the cash, I have difficulty believing that is all there is to it.
    This is absolutely true, or at least used to be ... in the sense that there was always a certain percentage of club customers who would respond favorably to charm/beauty/conversation/class as opposed to insisting on high contact in order to part with private dance money. Unfortunately, as more and more customers become aware that 'extras' are available, their expectations seem to increase right along with the availability, to the point where charm/beauty/conversation/class is facing a hard sell.

    Ultimately, the types of club customers who are not primarily interested in high contact usually gravitate towards low contact 'show clubs', if for no other reason than to avoid putting themselves in a high bust risk environment. This of course leaves the regular clubs with an even higher percentage of club customers expecting maximum 'bang for their buck'. Dancers who aren't into 'extras' obviously tend to gravitate to the low contact 'show clubs' as well, but with tons more dancers trying to make the 'show club' transition than the 'show club' has room for, the clubs inevitably become very picky such that many girls simply won't be hired no matter how long or how hard they try. This leaves the regular clubs full of girls willing to do 'extras', full of customers expecting 'extras', and with some girls who are not comfortable with 'extras' being caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

    If there is anything to 'blame' for this transition, you can look towards XXX cable TV & XXX Internet content raising guys' average expectations, you can look towards changing social standards re younger girls and casual sex, and you can actually look towards conservative crusaders trying to 'regulate' strip clubs which has actually aggravated the 'extras' availability by creating the same legal penalties for full blown sex for money in a club versus dancing too close to a customer or wearing a bikini bottom that is too revealing.

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    Your right, the list of extras girls isnt going to do anything i guess I was just in a foul mood from life.
    Jenny I know that Toronto is more high contact, I do 'light' grinding I wont grind right into the guy to help him cum in his pants. As for nipple sucking, letting guys lick beer out of my ass and letting guys play with my pussy? I think not!!! No way will I allow this shit to go on. I value my job and body.

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    Feelin ya - we had 2 dirty dancers terminated last night... was hurtin other girls money and a few girls went up to managemant (sick of weeks of this crap) and told him either theyre gone or there will be a brawl in the dressing room... Love our management... they were gone a few minutes later AND the DJ played a clip from Clerks on their way out "Dont get caught sucking d*ck in the parking lot" LOL... it was great....

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    Cally, I'm going through the same thing. Everyone's getting desparate with the holidays so they allow a finger here, a booby grope there, a nipple suck for the entire dance

    AND I JUST CAN NOT TAKE IT

    WHY WON'T MGMT FIRE THE HOOKERS!?!?!?!?!?

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    Cally, I rather hope that fluid/secretion exchange is not standard just yet. And I meant it when I said that I seriously would never encourage you to do anything you don't feel comfortable with. Personally, I think that eventually we all get so numb that the only way we can register contact with our skin is through temperature change, and I really don't think we should any of us rush it. I'm also saying that I really don't think that every bad night is all the fault of the proverbial "extra's girls" - at some point it is just scapegoating. And hey - I'm dying for a nice goat as much as the next dancer, but still.

    Speaking of - Audrey, I appreciate your irritation with different work practice too. But you can't possibly think that is a decent way to treat people, no matter what they did in the club. That is a terrible thing to do.
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    heh, at my old club, it reached a point where the non-extras girls (all three of us) were making the most money. even on many of the deadest nights, we were able to walk with at least a couple hundred when extras girls were making 50$ because there were no takers for their 100$ bjs and whatnot.

    honestly, i have flourished money-wise in extras-heavy environments, making more and more money at no more than medium contact. when customer count drops, the extras girls suffer, but my money holds pretty steady. and when there are crowds i make the same or more than many extras girls.

    all i can recommend is learning to profile your customers with laser-like precision and get guys who really like you to spend a little bit more. and if you are in an area where stage tipping can be generous, work that, plus also work to just get tipped for hanging out and such.

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    Yup, if management doesn't handle it leave. Obviously that's not the right club for you if it must come to that point.
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    The thing is if I leave... where do I go? The other option for me is Treasures... they have to many girls there so no one makes money and the other choice is the club I originally worked at and its such a party there you cant hear yourself think and its all young guys, the nights there are hit or miss with money. Plus its hard to compete with the girls walking around making deals for after work... like what hotel they will meet the guy at. I had a blast there but I just dont know. I love dancing, i dont want to quit, I think the holidays are just getting to me.

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    I'm sorry sweetie, that really F**n' blows. Hang in there!
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    It seems like extra girls are everywhere, I feel it in the club I work at, a guy tried to finger me the other night, saying the other girl let me do it....well then go see her!! The same w/ the nipple sucking....gross not worth any amount of $$$$

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    I think most of us have had these kinds of things happen at one time or another. It SUCKS too !

    If there is a more upscale club in your area I suggest going to work there instead. In my experience the more upscale a club is the less I have had to deal with this kind B.S.

    You might also try traveling because as a traveling dancer you are much less dependant on regulars.

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