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    I admire your courage. I actually thought of this--but was afraid of people's negative reaction to the subject. I'm not ready to apply for a dissertation yet anyway. I'm not sure if I want to invest the time.

    In the meantime, this may help. There are a lot of books out by girls who have traveled all over and wrote about their experiences. Some on a high level, such as well educated journalists (words so complicated you find yourself reading the dictionary more than the book), and others with just your everday english. I don't remember the authors names or book titles. I'm sure you could find them on the internet somewhere though. Just thought I would let you know they are out there. Perhaps you can contact the author--she may be a great help to your paper. If you're still interested, I can try to find the book written by the journalist.

    Also, if you do get accepted, let us know! I would like to read your work when you are done. Although it takes like--two years just to write, not including study time. Is that right? Can't remember. Oh, and if you're permitted to add extras, tell us your experience of all those "snooty" professor reactions or just in general how people react to your study. That might even need to be a book of it's own...

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    First write/type your account of what happened and then find a woman (look for bitchy and feminist) in a higher position than him in the academic food chain. Report this ASAP. I wish that I had reported my sexual harrassment the day that it happened because it would have saved me from working almost six months for an asshole that I can't even use as a reference now. If you quit and go on your bus tour then you are letting them win, you have a voice to use and a contribution to make-us stripper girls-current and retired -need more and more women to make it in academia so that we can have people in place to be in the position to help other women make it up the ladder. This is no time to lick your wounds.

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    Sage Full Text Publications-an online criminal justice academic article search engine would be a very good starting point for you to find a topic and what is already written on your topic. What I really like about it is that you can e-mail yourself the articles that you need in full text-no more thousand and one quarters getting fed into a copying machine-and then you can print them out using the money on your student account-if your college has such a thing or your home computer. There is also the old standard EBSCO Host. Good luck

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    I did talk to someone on an admissions committee today who gave me advice to be careful not to make the thing that I am interested in sound too close to my personal shit. It is common knowledge that people who enter the clinical psych field do have some autobiography to bring to the table, but making the admission committies see that/suspect that is a big nono. So is this a project topic I should be weary to present? Im so nervous about saying this is where my interests lye and be shot down because they will view me as a stripper.....and that would then blow my chances of being accepted there in the future. Should I cover up my real interests when I am first applying? BTW for those who asked -- Usually grad school takes about 5 years. How long it takes to write the dissertation depends on the student and other factors such as IRB

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    Quote Originally Posted by reiredstrippergal
    If you quit and go on your bus tour then you are letting them win, you have a voice to use and a contribution to make-us stripper girls-current and retired -need more and more women to make it in academia so that we can have people in place to be in the position to help other women make it up the ladder. This is no time to lick your wounds.
    Those are some interesting assumptions. First, I disagree that getting an advanced degree so that I can charge people $100/hr to listen to them with perfect Rogerian empathy is a contribution to much of anyone, stripper or otherwise. Second, I'm learning things outside of school that are much more useful (Energy Psychology, some Chinese medicine, some herbalism, lots of naturalism, a little ethology, sociobiology, and ethnobotony) than the things I am learning in school, which mostly seem to be centered around justifying and propegating the current financial and social structure (which I don't think is useful at all). Third, doing what I want to do with my life, following the path in which I find the most meaning, is NOT licking my wounds.



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    Lena - honey. You can lick your wounds wherever and however your want. Characterizing empathy and the desire for empathy as being irrational and feminine, a waste of time and impractical is not (in my rather over-present opinion) particularly empowering or useful. It is your experience, and you get to do with it what you want - you don't owe it to anyone to do any different. Sisterhood is about respect for the individual, not demanding that she make sacrifice for the herd. I mentally insert a little frowny face here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Lena - honey. You can lick your wounds wherever and however your want.
    No wound licking here. Simply living the life I find preferrable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Characterizing empathy and the desire for empathy as being irrational and feminine, a waste of time and impractical is not (in my rather over-present opinion) particularly empowering or useful.
    I agree completely, and don't think I said that?

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    Sisterhood is about respect for the individual, not demanding that she make sacrifice for the herd.
    Again, agree completely. You rock.

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    Social anthropology will probably be your best bet. Best data base for sex work is the Kinsey institute out of IU Bloomington. A really good research paper is called:

    Undressing the First Amendment and Corsetting the Striptease Dancer, by Judith Lynne Hanna.

    Abstract: Focuses on a study about the significance of exotic dance to the United States First Amendment, morality, and economic impact.

    TDR: The Drama Review; Summer 98, Vol 42 Issue 2

    See if you can get on EBSCOhost. You're a student, so I think you can, but you may need a password. It's been years for me so I'm not sure how the databases are secured now a days. Ask a professor in gender studies. They can probably point you into a lot of good directions.

    A few others:

    "where am i going to stop?": exotic dancing, fluid body boundaries, and effects on identity, By Jennifer K. Wesley University of Central Florida

    her email (as of a few years ago) [email protected]

    This is more of a negative perspective, but I've found the negative viewpoints to be more beneficial than the positive ones. You need to know the arguments against so you can address those issues.

    Also:

    Qualitative analysis of vocational choice: a collective case study of strippers, By Rebecca A. Mestemacher and Jonathan W. Roberti Deviant Behavior, 25: 43-65, 2004

    Behind the G-string: An Exploration of the Stripper's Image, Her Person and Her Meaning. David A Scott 1996.

    If you find an essay you really like, go to the references and check out the author's sources. That's often how I find good material. I'd probably look up some of the profs in the women's studies department. There's usually one liberal feminist on staff. Read what they've published to find out who is the liberal and make an appointment. They'll be able to give you a goldmine of information. If you want a copy of the first 3 research papers I mentioned, send me a note with your address and I'll mail them to you.

    Hope that helps!

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    Thank you everyone! This was soooooooo helpful. I didn't realize that there actually was so much stuff done on this subject. Does anyone have any advice for how to present my ideas in a way that does not make it seem like I am a dancer?

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    I believe my friend Annie, who runs the Naked Truth website (Canadian stripper forum: www.nakedtruth.ca/forum ), used to write papers on the topic of dancing while she was in school. Maybe post there and ask her about it (but careful, we just had the survey onslaught as well, so tension is high in that area). I think her profs reactions were pretty positive; she wrote from a first-person perspective.

    As to topics, you want to have a paper that has strippers com out looking good, right? I think the only way to go about that, really, is to try to 'prove' that we are just a cross-section of normal girls. Not a topic that sets us apart.]

    And for the record my only Psych course was biological psychology, so I'm a very un-psych-savvy stripper!

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    PS I also don't think your paper will turn out as you want it if you're constantly trying to hide your own first person perspective; why not apply with ambiguity (so they don't guess you're a dancer, but you're not lying and saying you aren't one), and then once you're accepted just be honest, as if you thought they'd known all along.

    Or, for brownie points, once you're accepted, 'get into the industry' just to further your understanding of the topic.

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