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    MW - after reading that I fear I might have woken up drunk and gone to work, still drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    i mean, the guys i've asked to lay out the first twenty (or 50 or 100) generally don't mind kicking forth a few more after that initial dance/set of dances.
    Like I said in the OP, if a guy knows exactly how many dances that he wants in advance, then prepayment isn't so much of an issue. Its also not so much of an issue if the dancer wants to be paid up front for just the first song, and only wants the customer to whip out the tiproll so she can see how much he has on them. She then lets the customer know explicitly that if he wants multiples, he can hold the rest of his tiproll until he wants to stop.

    When this topic has come up upstairs, a lot of gals have used the "you don't pay at the end when you go to a concert, movie, etc. reasoning to defend prepays. Some have even used paying for your food upfront at McDonalds as an example. But the flaw in those analogies is that in all of them, the customer knows generally upfront the quantity that he/she wants, and usually doesn't go back immediately for a second helping upon finishing the first.

    Buying a string of dances to me is more like eating at an Applebees or nicer type place. The waitress asks you/your party what you'd like to drink, then asks if you'd like an appetizer, then asks what you'd like for your main course, then for your dessert, then if you'd like anything to go. They usually don't tab you out until you're done and even let you add the gratuity to the bill. I'm sure people in the restaurant business have a reason for doing it that way despite the occassional problem customer being short on funds.

    Mia, I am curious, if you have an established customer who you are 99% certain isn't going to burn you, do you let your policy slide a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    it also is a function of profiling your demographics. as i said, i have a form of prepay in a city where paying afterward is the norm, and i also get tipped on dances when that is not the norm, but i carefully select out the customers most likely to be amenable to my policies. it works out pretty well.
    If it works for you, more power to you. I've been burned by too many crappy pre-paid dances to go that route.

    Also, you say it works pretty well. I'd argue that you may be missing out on more sales than you think. If you do get me to prepay, you've totally eliminated the chance that I'm going to buy more than one.

    I wonder how many dances you've lost without even knowing it.

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    probably not very many, and any repeat customers are happy to pull out their money in advance. i've actually found that i get more dances by asking for prepay of the first dance or 'show me some money' than when i just waited to be paid. when i wait, guys typically want to argue about song length and duration and god forbid they have to pay a whole 20$ for that dance! the only times i have been cheated on money were when i waited on payment. and those guys got like 2 dances. i find it interesting that you have such minimalist faith in a dancer's profiling ability, like doing it a way you personally wouldn't reward just simply must be costing the dancer a fortune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    i find it interesting that you have such minimalist faith in a dancer's profiling ability, like doing it a way you personally wouldn't reward just simply must be costing the dancer a fortune.
    well, a number of guys here have said they don't buy pre-paid dances, or only buy one when they do, but, hey live in denial. If you don't believe you are losing any money, then it must be true

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    the guys who have said that are the guys least likely to even stage tip me in the clubs i've worked in. guys who spend money on me tend to be totally ok with my policies and practices. i can't lose money that i was never going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    the guys who have said that are the guys least likely to even stage tip me in the clubs i've worked in. guys who spend money on me tend to be totally ok with my policies and practices. i can't lose money that i was never going to get.
    She does have a point there guys, and lets face it some customers WILL bend over backwards to meet a dancer's terms of sale.

    But its not really the customer who isn't interested at all that I'm referring to. Its the one who is interested but whose interest is stunted by the prepayment policy, particularly when he's aware there are plenty of other dancers in the club that aren't doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1112
    well, a number of guys here have said they don't buy pre-paid dances, or only buy one when they do, but, hey live in denial. If you don't believe you are losing any money, then it must be true
    It's impossible on a MB to either prove or disprove the validity of any claims, regardless of whos making them. In mia's case, if shes banking $500-$700 a night and staying busy as hell, then it probably doesnt matter to her if she is missing some business by demanding upfront money. OTOH, if shes going home with a couple hundered bucks, then she owes it to herself to reflect on her sales approach and customer skills. Only she can answer that question.

    I agree that it's hard to believe that all those customers are lining up to pay her hundreds of dollars up front. That doesnt fit into the modus operandi of any clubbers that I personally know. Having said that, however, I believe we Junkies tend to forget that the vast majority of customers out there are clueless and will pretty much go along with whatever a stripper says, no matter how unreasonable that would appear to us. I'm not talking about respecting a strippers personal and physical boundaries..even Junkies do that (most of the time anyways ) I'm talking about swallowing whatever SS is dished out. Sadly, many customers have no idea that the the customer actually does have some say so in the stripper/customer business transaction. If you used terms with them like "mileage" and "return on investment", you'd probably get nothing back from them beyond a blank stare.

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    well, i am not at 1k a shift every shift yet, but i get pretty close when i'm working. as for dave's comment, i have primarily worked in clubs where dances were done in private rooms (often but not always exclusively), so there's not any likely way a guy could see or know how another guy was choosing to pay. in one club where table dances were allowed, guys were relieved to lay the money out because they considered it a sign i wasn't going to try to double-charge them. but then, i have had drunken customers hand me their wallets and say 'take out what you need', so obviously i am not attracting customers who distrust me right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    but then, i have had drunken customers hand me their wallets and say 'take out what you need', so obviously i am not attracting customers who distrust me right off the bat.
    mia if you are able to get custies to do that (even if they were drunk), you should bottle what you have and sell it for an outrageous price I bet there are a couple hundred prospective buyers upstairs on the Pink side

    Seriously... Girl Scouts Honor...did those guys really do that or are you just caught up in verbally jousting with the Blue Ballers

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    More specifically does prepayment in your opinion lessen your spending (both on that particular gal and during the trip in general) than what it could've been?
    well, let me preface my response with two statements:
    1. there are no guarantees in this business
    2. in my experience, when buying (pre-paid or not) multiple dances from a new dancer. generally speaking, the first dance is the usually the worst.
    so, to answer your question, the short answer is that it will most likely lessen my spending. now, for the long explanation. i don't mind if a dancer asks for the money upfront. however, most dancers tend not to ask me. so, those that do have less room for error. since that makes me think "lazy ass stripper".

    now, i'm sure every dancer is just as good and honest as she claims, but see (1). furthermore, because of (2). i normally don't give much weight to the first dance. however, the second dance will make (multiple dances) or break a dancer with me. however, the exception to that rule is when it comes to pre-paid dances. in that case, the dancer will have to get nasty (and i don't mean waiting until the end of the song either) right away on the first dance. if she doesn't, there will be no subsequent dances.
    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    I agree that it's hard to believe that all those customers are lining up to pay her hundreds of dollars up front. That doesnt fit into the modus operandi of any clubbers that I personally know. Having said that, however, I believe we Junkies tend to forget that the vast majority of customers out there are clueless and will pretty much go along with whatever a stripper says, no matter how unreasonable that would appear to us.
    oh, i believe her. i don't find it surprising at all and it shouldn't be a surprise even here on SCJ. how many times have we seen guys here post about throwing perfectly good money after bad on a stripper in the hopes of eventually getting a good dance?
    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    I'm not talking about respecting a strippers personal and physical boundaries..even Junkies do that (most of the time anyways ) I'm talking about swallowing whatever SS is dished out. Sadly, many customers have no idea that the the customer actually does have some say so in the stripper/customer business transaction. If you used terms with them like "mileage" and "return on investment", you'd probably get nothing back from them beyond a blank stare.
    that's because they're too busy worrying about being respectful and nice. seriously, what would be the point? they wouldn't believe you anyway. you can't tell a PL that he's being a PL.
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    yes, it has happened to me. not every week or anything, but guys have handed me their wallets and just trusted me. i had always thought it was a not uncommon thing to happen to dancers, though nothing a girl could expect regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    yes, it has happened to me. not every week or anything, but guys have handed me their wallets and just trusted me. i had always thought it was a not uncommon thing to happen to dancers, though nothing a girl could expect regularly.
    lmao OK you have to be British. Only the Brits have your kind of dry totally straight-faced kind of humor

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    guys who spend money on me tend to be totally ok with my policies and practices.
    Policies and practices--oooh, your getting me hot.

    Seriously, even hearing you describe it is such a mood killer. Sign here, and initial here and here.

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    I sometimes prepay when I'm not really looking for a dance from them at that time. It's a polite way to tip someone, who has already given you say, five dances last week. I'll usually, then ofter to buy them a drink and the dance issue always ends there. Most of the girls who know me understand that it's a tip. Sometimes young new dancers think they got one over on me. Regardless I can't recall anyone ever asking for another dance once I prepaid for the first.

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    Now I remember, I did have a bitch subbie custy who would give me his wallet or his money roll and let me pick from it. He was such a pain in the ass though, and try to pull it away from me as I was choosing bills out of it in order to piss me off and get another beating. Yes, I know its not proper "BDSM". I really didn't know what I was doing and eventually he got to be too much of a pain in ass. Plus, he was obviously not all there mentally and my scruples got to me. Yes, I have fucking ethics, you all can eat me, bitches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1112
    Policies and practices--oooh, your getting me hot.

    Seriously, even hearing you describe it is such a mood killer. Sign here, and initial here and here.
    dave, . in general online my posting is a bit shrink-wrapped, which really has nothing to do with how i behave with customers at work. two different arenas. in any case, the moral is that every stripper is a wonderful unique snowflake and therefore you cannot possibly generalise about when and where prepay should or should not be applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave1112
    Seriously, even hearing you describe it is such a mood killer. Sign here, and initial here and here.
    oh yeah, how dare a sex worker kill the romatic mood by acting interested in money.
    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    in any case, the moral is that every stripper is a wonderful unique snowflake and therefore you cannot possibly generalise about when and where prepay should or should not be applied.
    the operative word being snowflake.
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    I don't make a guy prepay, it's just a downer.

    I do however ask for payment after every $100 worth of dances. (or at least I make sure that he knows his "tab" is at that amount already.)
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    The last time a dancer asked me to pay in advance, I asked her if she was gonna make me pay before the next one and the one after that as well...

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    The ladies that I get dances from on a regular basis are very relaxed about payment, because I have never cheated them, and they trust me. These are not necesarrily people that I have known for years, and years either. I have my favorites and they get all of my attention. And they know I'm trustworthy. One particularly hot lady I know will, when asked what number of dances we've had, reply something like: "that's up to you, how many do you think we've done? I've been enjoying myself too much to keep track!" At first I thought that she is such a smooth salesperson and her delivery is so smooth, that she actually had this kind of reverse pysch. working on me; because I tip her more than anyone else!!! But now, I'm not so sure...... At any rate, in the past I have gotten say 10- $20 dances from my ATFs, gotten up to take a leak, hit the ATM and paid her at the trough. Nothing like laying out a $200 "tip" at the rail to get your fellow SC attendees attention!! He-he!

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