View Poll Results: Would you work on a webcam site featuring only Exotic Dancers?

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  • Yes I would

    7 38.89%
  • Nope

    5 27.78%
  • I’ll never work on a webcam site

    1 5.56%
  • Done the cam in past, I will not try again

    4 22.22%
  • Done the cam in past and quit, but I would try again

    0 0%
  • Done the cam, still doing it, I would work on this site also

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    Webcam site featuring Only Exotic Dancers

    Hi everyone,

    I'm a web developer, I create web based applications and also I do create software for webcam sites.

    A couple of years back there used to be a lot more exotic dancers from USA working on webcam sites than there are now, and most chat hosts now are from Eastern European. I don't think there is anything wrong with the E.E Ladies, but I believe there should be a webcam site that features only Exotic Dancers, preferable USA based.

    When members come to the site they will know that the girls they will see and chat with are real exotic dancer.

    On the other hand when Exotic Dancers join, they will know that the site is safe and is designed specifically for them.

    I am willing to put the site together in a short time, since I do have all the software. I will just need to talk to a few ladies that willing to assist, to see what specific requirements the site should have, in order to be an "exotic dancer" friendly site.

    But, before I spend any time on a project like this, I would like to hear your opinion and any comments?

    Thank you for your time.
    Jake.

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    Melonie, care to inform Jake why there are so few US women showing up on web cams these days?

    Jake, I will give you a hint - google "18 U.S.C. 2257" and

    Good luck getting a dancer to tell you her full name AND maiden name AND legal address.

    Since the statute mentions "Attorney General's Regulations" you should be aware of this:

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    Default Re: Webcam site featuring Only Exotic Dancers

    (Sigh)

    I forgot to ad, I use to run adult web sites on my server - and as this below attests to - getting a merchant account for an adult web site is near impossible these days.

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    Q: Why did Intersec Interactive, Inc. sell insex.com?

    A: There are two main reasons:

    (1) The lack of ability to obtain a stable and reliable merchant account with a US bank.
    (2) The potential for an annoying, lengthy and expensive obscenity prosecution.

    With respect to reason (1), it would seem that the current US administration found itself in the position of being beholden to the anti-erotica religious right, yet at at the same time unable to make any significant inroads against adult producers using the court system. Faced with failed prosecutions and a stubborn court system that repeatedly ruled in favor of adult producers, the administration came up with what some people no doubt thought was a very clever way to do an end run around the legal barriers it faced protecting privacy and freedom of expression. The government went after the banks and the credit card processing companies, warning them that processing transactions for adult businesses ran a high risk of laundering money for terrorism and formally advising them against taking on any new accounts for adult businesses and to take steps to close the accounts of existing ones.

    The net result after two years of government pressure is that it is all but impossible to get a merchant account with a US bank for an adult web site. Unfortunately, it would seem that no one thought far enough ahead about what would happen when a several billion dollar a year industry was gradually forced to move their processing overseas - where money laundering for terrorist organizations is a much more real possibility now that all that money increasingly goes through shady banks in Asia and Eastern Europe instead of the US banking system where it used to be able to be monitored effectively.

    With respect to reason (2), recent developments related to changes in US law and government policy have made Intersec Interactive, Inc. a clear target for prosecution. Revisions to adult record keeping requirements and the creation of a federal task force specifically targeting producers that create media featuring urination, defication, sadism and masochism have caused Intersec Interactive, Inc. to decide that continuing to produce insex.com from the US would be too great a potential liability.

    While Intersec Interactive, Inc. is certain that a potential prosecution would have no chance of success based upon insex.com's artistic and educational value, especially in light of other recent high profile obscenity prosecution failures, the staff is unwilling to fight a lengthy and expensive court battle only to emerge victorious but bankrupt.

    The new owner of insex.com, a Dutch citizen with a company based in the Netherlands, is outside the jurisdiction of US law and therefore does not face the problems that Intersec Interactive, Inc. does.

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    Hi Deogol,

    Thank you for your feedback, I do know about this law, and I don't think it changed much related to webcam sites from the original law.
    The responsible webcam sites, even before these changes they did required a copy of driver's license to verify the age. Just now is mandatory for all types of adult business.

    This law actually does make it more difficult for regular adult sites that buy content as well as content provider, and even worse for a girl that has her own web site and she is maintaining it, because then she is required to post her name and address in the website, since she is the record keeper.

    But working for a webcam site, only the site's record keeper name and address is showing. In this case, it will be my Company's address and my record's keeper name.

    "Good luck getting a dancer to tell you her full name AND maiden name AND legal address."

    What you mean by this?

    Because they will have to give this info to a webcam site owner?

    Just curious, right now they are not required to show their driver's license to the Club owner when they work in a club?

    As for Merchant account, yes it is hard to get your own merchant account but there are 3rd party companies and I am in a good standing with them, since some of the services I provide to some clients involves software and services to prevent credit card fraud, and what the software doesn't catch, I have people that are trained to look at each transaction and other key activities that a member does on the site and is suspicious and they cancel transaction before they become a charge back. Sure, 3rd party companies do take about 15% for their service, but even having your own merchant account the costs involved with it are just a little less, so I don't think it's even worth to get your own merchant account. (I know the costs, because I manage a merchant account since 1999 for a client in adult business, he got it when things were easier and still has it, without any problems.)

    I do know that Internet Adult business is not 1 person operation any more or at least is not as easy as it was and I'm not planning this project to be a one person operation that will close in a few months, that's why I asked for feedback before I do it, to see if it's worth doing it.

    Jake.

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    Jake i can tell you one thing.

    The men that view the site will NOT believe the ladies are dancers. THey wont believe the names, and test hard to see if any cams are recorded. It all sounds nice, but men don't care if the ladies are dancers or not...also the ladies will get hounded for personal info. many ladies don't like that. Like "where do you dance?" Also these days i don't want to have to give out ALL the personal info. needed to join on with a cam service....it's tougher than you think imo.

    It's the speed and quality of the show that matters most!

    Pamela

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    Default Re: Webcam site featuring Only Exotic Dancers

    Jake, you're missing the Section 2257 distinction between the information requirements of 'fixed content' i.e. website pictures, posted pre-recorded videos etc. and LIVE video streaming. Website pictures and pre-recorded video content are considered to be known productions, with the identities of all participants known in advance, and where the webmaster is usually not considered to be the 'producer of original content', thus Section 2257 can be complied with via an off-line file held by the webmaster in conjunction with an off-line file held by the original producer.

    On the other hand, with live streaming video like webcams, the webcam girl herself is considered to be the 'producer of original content', meaning that in order to comply with Section 2257 the webcam girl must post her personal info (as well as the personal info of anybody else who happens to walk in front of her camera) right on her webcam page. An off-line file is not sufficient for Section 2257 compliance where live content is involved, and an off-line file held by the webmaster is totally insufficient for Section 2257 compliance given the fact that the webmaster has no actual control in regard to who will actually be appearing in front of 'client' webcams.

    Thus from a standpoint of legal penalties there is a world of difference between a girl signing a model release and posing for pics/videos to later be posted on a website, versus a girl PRODUCING live video content via webcam.

    from the same link at ...

    " Explicit streaming video and live feeds are almost certainly among the kinds of material generically described as "other matter" in the Statute . Therefore, the producer of explicit feeds must in every respect comply with the provisions of Section 2257. Special practical difficulties arise that are distinctive to live feeds with respect to a location for the mandated disclosure statement and for the name or number of the work. The information acquisition and record keeping must go on continuously. Because an approved method of compliance is described neither in the Statute nor in either the existing nor proposed Regulations, the scheme of compliance for those who produce such feeds should be designed in close consultation with a lawyer and a technical expert, and provide for notice all the way through to the destination subscriber."

    To be very blunt, the ONLY way that a webcam girl producing original adult content can comply with every aspect of Section 2257 is to post her real name, real address and real age right on her webcam page where paying webcam viewers can access said personal info. Failure to do so potentially carries the risk of a felony child porn charge. Even if no conviction results, the mere existance of the charge in the first place can have serious negative repurcussions in regard to the girl's permanent record. Arguably, the webcam host does not face the same risks.
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    Last edited by Melonie; 12-18-2005 at 08:18 AM.

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    Hi,

    First I would like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post and also the ones who participated on the Poll.

    Your feedback and answers were very helpful to me for the decision and the direction of the webcam site.

    Also, I'm happy to say that the site is up and running and we decided to go the general direction and make a webcam site where we accept anyone who would like to be a webcam performer or already works as a webcam performer and from any country.
    The site is been live for a couple of months and already looks promising!

    Even though I would like to post the url, I don't want this message to be considered a spam, the reason for my message was just a follow up and a thank you.

    Jake.

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