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    I got this comment from my sister earlier:

    "I don't want you stripping in Montreal! All the clubs there are run by the Hell's Angels! Promise me you won't.."

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    So, how true is this of Canadian/Montreal clubs and strip clubs in general? Seems like one of those stereotypical half-truths to me...
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    It is so funny how people associate the HELLS ANGELS with strip clubs...I don't know how it is in Montreal...but from what I do know in Alberta,alot of it ,most of it is hype!

    I remember guys asking me which biker was my boyfriend?? They all assume we are dating them also.(Not like there is anything wrong with that) but don't assume!

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    Its actually rather common in Ontario/Quebec for a club to be run by HA. And honestly I work in one and I feel so safe there. HA actually are very protective of their girls, you never see a fight in this club and no guy dares to try any shit. The HA are always hanging out and they are super cool nice guys

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    I haven't heard of any downtown Montreal SCs to be run by HA, if they are, it's very hush hush. The clubs in Quebec that are run by the HA are mostly off the island of Montreal.

    The HA has lost quite some ground in Quebec over the last few years, the police have targeted them specifically and reduced their activities considerably. Was a big thing, special task force and procedings to be able to tackle the problems.

    All to say that if you plan on working in downtown Montreal, you don't have to worry about bikers or HA. I am personally petrified of bikers (with good reason, personal experience...) and wouldn't be able to deal working for or with them.

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    Ok I know the Hell's Angels are a biker gang, right? So is that where they are stationed at? Are they that violent? Gimme info! I love a good juicy biker story!!!

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    Bikers make me sick. I worked at an after hours club in for a number of years in British Columbia and I saw so much crap go down whenever they were in the room. I'm talking about the outlaw biker gangs. They were always looking to start trouble, expected preferential treatment, and would all pile on in a fight---4 bikers to one guy--no fair fight there. They pretty much control the whole SC industry in Vancouver, which is why one of my dancer friends left the industry. They are criminals, plain and simple, and there is no need to romanticize or look up to them.

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    My bf just read Hunter S. Thompson's book on the Hell's Angels. I haven't read it yet but I've leafed through it... wow. They are definitely a violent bunch. They sure beat the shit out of him too.

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    OK, I won't lie, the Hell's Angels are no angels....BUT if you JUST work for them, it's not too bad. My experience is very limited, but the customers all know who is running the joint & you can feel their fear in the air. Makes for a better day-to-day environment.
    (The HA were born in my neck of the woods- Oakland, CA. They've calmed down a bit since Incorporating in the U.S., but I have heard the Canadian horror stories....)

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    Okay, nutshell: if the hell's angels owned a grocery store, would you be afraid to work there? I've heard similar things, and honestly, you can research - call Revenue Canada, see what they can give out, google and all that, but it was rumored that one club I worked in when I was a teenager was biker owned. I never saw a biker as such, and except for an unusual amount of cocaine (which I'm pretty sure was courtesy of the non-biker manager, but I've never really been drug-knowledgable, so it's only a guess), it was just like any other club. Other people will run it generally, and either it has a biker clientele or it doesn't - you can tell THAT just by entering the premises.
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    Thanks for the info everyone. Going by what Pixie says, I shouldn't have to worry about this too much. It's cool some of you had positive experieces with these angels, lol. I assumed since they're violent bikers they'd treat the strippers like shit as well, but it makes sense that their rep would translate into better security.
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    They are the largest criminal organization in Canada today.That hardly qualifies as being "the nicest people". I'm glad that you personally have not had a bad experience with them Cally, but that doesn't negate the fact that they are still criminals involved in the drug trade, as well as prostitution, money-laundering and extortion. Their gang wars with other biker gangs in Quebec have also resulted in innocent people being killed. They aren't just harmless guys riding bikes. Let's just be clear about that. Nice guys aren't involved in criminal organizations.

    Things are all very well and good when they are having friendly conversations and tipping well, but that can change. I had one dear friend who was a dancer and escort who pretty much had to go into hiding when she no longer wanted to be with her biker boyfriend. She was terrified for her life--this guy kept up a constant harrassment of her at all hours of the day and night,then bit her face hard enough that she needed stitches when he broke into her house and raped her--all because she no longer wanted to be with him anymore. So now this beautiful girl is scarred for life, living away from the city she grew up in, and fearful he will come after her again, even though this happened three years ago.

    People with an outlaw mentality don't follow the rules of so-called polite society, and act outside of the law. There is a reason why specialized task forces are working hard to disband these organzations.

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    Cally, I also feel you are a bit naive when it comes to bikers. Trust me, they aren't real nice guys. Sure, they CAN be nice when they want to and it works in their favor, surely a night out at a SC is usually the case.

    However, these "nice guys" can turn on you in an instant for whatever reason they decide and make your life a living hell. As Paintbaby pointed out, they can certainly turn nasty on a girl and I can personally attest that one does not have to have any romantic or sexual relationship for there to be problems. I won't go into details as it's a part of my past that I try and forget as much as humanly possible but here is a very quick resume of my story.

    Just with a couple biker acquaintances that me and my friends hung out with at a bar. I was eventually targeted by one of them and it resulted with me literally being this biker's hostage for 8 months abused daily in every way. The details of how it happened are quite long and I am still counting my blessing that I made it out alive. Of course, no legal recourse was even available. Even with considerable physical and testimony evidence, the prosecutors would not take the case (this was before the provincial crack down on bikers).

    I had never even flirted with these guys, just were friendly acquaintances.

    I know that not every biker is as psycho as the one I was a victim to, but as Paintbaby eloquently said, these people are criminals by choice and are proud of it and they follow their own set of rules, not society's. These are not people you can trust by any means. Take their money if they are good customers and you are comfortable dancing for them but just be aware of who that client really is and never forget it.

    Stay safe girls

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    LoL Okay I was really tired when I posted and did come off as niave. Yes i realise they can be and are dangerous people. What I ment is when they are at the club they dont show that side of them. I personally would not attempt to socialise with them outside. I've heard a lot of horror stories about them. At the club though they are calm and nice people and I have fun hanging out with them at work. But only at work.

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    Pixie, I feel for you that you had to go through that.

    But at the same time, all HA's are not like that.

    I am a biker, and hubby was invited to join the HA's this year. he has not done it yet since our bike isn't finished, but he probably will.

    We hung out at Lil Sturgis this year with the HA's and all of the there were the nicest most polite respectful people you would ever want to know.

    Please do not steriotype like that. It's not only inaccurate, it's rude. In my eyes; it's not different that saying that all black people are on walefare, and they are all "ghetto".
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    Kitana - this thread isn't about bikers per se. It's about biker gangs - most specifically about biker gangs involved in organized crime. This is different than judging "black people" for the simple reason that they are not being judged for who they are, but what they do and their choice to join a criminal association. The Hells Angels are organized crime. It has nothing to do with them being polite or not polite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    Please do not steriotype like that. It's not only inaccurate, it's rude. In my eyes; it's not different that saying that all black people are on walefare, and they are all "ghetto".
    The only "stereotype" I infered in my last post was that bikers weren't "nice" guys and that they can't be trusted IMO. I even said that not all bikers were like the psycho I unfortunately crossed paths with.

    It'll be pretty hard to convince me (and I'm sure a fair amount of others) that bikers that belong to an organization, HA or other are nice and trustworthy people. I'm positive there are some nice bikers out there but they are among plenty that aren't and they directly or indirectly support the psycho ones that do crazy shit by covering for them or other.

    I really don't mean any offense, but I do find it comical that people try to defend the good honor of the HA and other bikers when the very culture was born and still lives on crime and living outside the law. I don't diss those who chose that lifestyle but you won't see me hanging around them either

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    Oh I understand completly. But the HA chapter in this area is fairly tame compared to other areas.

    Basically they are just a bunch of beer drinking rednecks with sweet ass bikes. Hell we met a married couple that's about as agressive as a wooly worm, and he is most certainly not involved in any crime; he's a Dr.

    I do know the associations made with this gang, and they have lost alot of their "oomph" so to speak. I don't know how else to put it. This chapter is almost like a former reflection of themselves, to speak.

    I know their history. And I also know how hard it is to get past that for a lot of people. But I was raised to give everyone a chance, and for the most part I do. It might not always look like it at first (ask some of the noobs at work), but I really do.

    You guys are right, there are some bikers that are no good, but you find that in all walks of like. Not just ones who choose to ride on two wheels not four.
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    Just to be clear Kitana, I don't have a problem with bikers--just members of outlaw biker gangs that are involved in criminal activity. I don't know how things are in Kentucky, but in Canada, it is a big problem, especially in British Columbia and Montreal. The chapters there are VERY active, and the criminal activities of members do in fact have a trickle-down effect that affects society at large---the drug trade especially, not to mention all the tax dollars that are being spent by our law enforcement agencies to erradicate the problem.

    Please be careful. When you join an organization like the HA (and yes, they are, on whole, a criminal organization), you are now part of an organization that expects its members to follow its dictates, and WILL enforce these rules with whatever means they have to. You can't just walk away when things get rough. Maybe the Kentucky chapter isn't active right now, but that could change. Also, members go where they are told to go. And it is the "bikers"within the organization that do the front-line, heavy, dirty, and violent work when it is called for. There are many levels to the HA, they are a very well-run criminal organization, and it isn't the guys in the upper echelons getting their hands dirty.

    I see nothing wrong with joining with a group of fellow bikers and enjoying the social connections and outings provided within the structure of a "club". Some of the nicest , coolest people I've ever met were bikers--but they weren't HA or any other outlaw gang. But when you affiliate with a criminal organization, you are now being regarded as such by society and will be regarded with suspicion by law-enforcement agencies. Things might not be hot with the Kentucky chapter right now, and everyone might seem very nice---but you aren't part of it yet. Things may turn out to be quite a bit different once you are on the other side. And once you are in, they pretty much own you, and it's pretty hard to change that.

    Please think long and hard about this before you do anything. There are alot of resources on the subject--do some reading, and get fully informed before you and your husband commit to the organization. You don't have to join a criminal organization (and yes, even though the Kentucky chapter isn't high-profile, they arer STILL part of a criminal organization) to enjoy the biker lifestyle. Please, please take care.

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