Rofl!!! I play cards at work with custys all the time! Granted we sometimes play for money and I am usually topless, but it's still cards.Originally Posted by Lizette
I just thought that was funny.
Why, what ever are you snidely insinuating, Jenny?Yeah, Jay. Let's take a little peruse through the trip reports and compare that to buying a jacket. Come on, man.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
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This kinda falls in the same category, but lastnight i had a vip room and i charge 500 per hour to my guy( i allow nothing more than whats allowed on the floor), there was a friend with my guy and he picked his own dancer who was letting him do everything to her under the sun. My guy is seeing this and starts trying to negotiate more money if i do what she does, etc. etc. I did get tthe money up front and my custy was overall well behaved, I told him no and he only asked one or 2 more times. His friend kept telling him right in front of me to make me leave and once i went to the restroom (escorted by custy as not to lose him) This girl and a mgr came in the back to tell me that i am out and she is in. I go bk out and my custy still waiting has no idea his friend requested this. Anyways, he buys another hour and a half. And at the end of the night the girl who was in the room being soooo gross asks me if i made as much as her, i didn't disclose my $$ but she bragged that she got 200!!!! I can't believe the shit girls do and get nothing for it!


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lol yeah, so true. The most money I ever made in VIP was simply talking to the guy. I noticed the ones who are handsy are really stingy with their money. The ones who like beauty and class and good converastion seem to be the ones that tip well. Just my 2 cents.





Just a good reason why girls shouldnt give extras up for less or at all. Tina had a good point about more girls + same amount of customers = girls giving more when they dont need to. I hope everyone has a savings this time of year. Plus, there are 'predators' every time I go to work where someone will try to offer X for Y. They just seem to be more obvious this time of year.Originally Posted by buffie06
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi
Yes, I definitely feel you girl! I can't wait for the holiday season to be over. I sometimes feel that desperation to allow my personal boundaries to loosen but I don't think it's worth it in the long run.This is the time to work on your hustle, I took some advice from a top hustler in my club. Once she gets a guy back there she becomes alittle more aggressive,she gets him to break himself and then moves on after the dances. This tactic works for her I tried it a couple of times, I feel bad taking all there money but she tells me over and over that's what they come for to get there money taken, If it's hard I sweetly say "I'm worth it and I won't dissapoint you". Don't ever promise you will do something you won't, that will get you fired. During these slow times I tend to spend alittle more time with each guy once he spends money don't leave for a break or bathroom, until he leaves. It might bother the other girls but who cares, if he seems interested in another girl I usually ask him if he wants a dance with her (being candid earns points). I usually get a good tip or another dance just for being a matchmaker.![]()
The most we have going on is fewer customers spending cash, but the same amount coming in the door.
And new girls. Just a few but a few is too many at this time of year , truth be told. however I've earned more this week then any other week "gross pay " in a month! Thank GOD my hustle came back.
As far as extras go. I think everyone does shit they aren't supposed to . Be it the heat of the moment...hot guy ..hot dance. Or just for money. Im not talking hand jobs and such ..but maybe letting them kiss on your neck .. letting intimacy come into play.
BUT its in every club. There is always something going on with someone ..somewhere that someone else wouldnt approve of. That's life. And people should take all that energy they use worrying about others and use it on themselves.
yes it sucks when you are giving a legit lap dance..vip dance and your customer looks over and sees X kissing customer. Then you get the ' why aren't you doing that '.
fault the girl but fucking fault your club too!! Why aren't their bouncers doing anything? Why isnt the mgmnt looking at the cameras..?
It kills me that everyone is always wanting to kill the girl and never finds the club to blame. Trust me they know whats going on. If they dont then they will.
And....not every customer wants his dick sucked in the VIP. so instead of everyone jumping on the " kill the extra girl " bandwagon. Lets examine the real deal. We all have off days. When yes an extra girl kills it for us. But they are easy scapegoats a lot of times. How about when we are being lazy? Or burnt out ? Instead of blaming ourselves for nto taking some much needed rest ..reflection time we are quick to blame others.
No extras aren't right. Its not an Honest sale. Then again this isnt exactly an honest industry either.





Jay, it's predatorial to go to the club with the intent and purpose of getting more "action" when one knows girls will be a bit more desperate and therefore "easier" than usual. This is just like the jerkoffs who come in at the end of the month with their greasy smiles and grubby paws, just salivating at the thought of finding some girl who's desperate to pay the rent. No way to deny that. Looking for weaknesses to prey on. It's what predators do. This type of custy is no better than a child molestor or a keg-toting frat boyand I am not the least bit sorry for saying so. Bring on the flames.




I'm not arguing that extras are in clubs all year long. I know they are and deal with it accordingly. But now, it seems as if extras are not only more prevalent but BLATANT.
When you have a room full of hookers, you are going to attract a lot of johns. I don't have any customers. I have johns that I can't service. They are coming in looking for it. I honestly can't stick anything up my vagina or "grab it ... just for a second."
Managers? Like. They. Care. So long as excise isn't around, do whatever. A new girl lets customers massage her boobs out in the open. She does it all shift long. It's embarrassing how obvious it is. The managers say that they will talk to her. Yeah, sure, okay. Talk, haha.
All I can do is complain about it when it's out of hand.
all you have to remember is ...
Pretend you ran into vice at the club...
Run to the dressing room ... start the rumor. how long does it take to go through the club?
about 20 seconds. If they ask who he say you rather not say..you are spooked.
and as far as the managers go ...yah i know they dont do shit .which is why im glad I have a woman owner at my club. because she will do shit. and so will our managers .
But yah , usually they wont.
there are a few solutions aside from what i mentioned above ( which does work. )
you can either A. ) take the money they ask to get fucked with in the VIP...walk em' up there and when they ask about fucking reply " Well I took your money so you did get fucked ".
B.) Smile and tell the customer you are VICE working under cover. lol I've done this once... the expression on his face was fucking priceless. he offered me 800 if I wouldnt write a ticket.. I smiled and took it. he ran out. I think he's learned his lesson.
C.) Talk openly and loudly around the hookers in the locker room at the end of the night stating that a cop was asking about them there ..about them giving handjobs and stuff and you are " just warning em' because you dont want to see them get into trouble ".
Using the vice cop line is the BEST. not only is it effective but for at least that work week you get a calm around the club. Eventually the rumor makes its way to the mgmnt who then starts freaking out as well and begins the "crackdown" while this is only temp it works for at least a few weeks. And the hookers wont want to work there since their " hustle" has been basically taken away and they are left having to dance and act like the rest of the club.
So basically what im saying ... you get a month of calm...( 2 weeks min. ) a few girls that quit and the happiness of knowing it was all a rumor![]()




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Dang, you ARE smart. Luv ya!
That's a bit of a stretch, that would be like saying it's wrong for a dancer to look for a guy who has the most money to spend.Originally Posted by Bridgette
About to go to a new club, hired to perform les... may I ask you what do you don`t do otherwise VIP? How do you keep control of the customer inside that room? Have you ever asked a customer to use dental dam to lick you? Gloves to finger? Sorry to ask, but customers here are used to try to take advantage doing this without protection, nor even asking permission.
and... girlz are so used to permit that just to get a little extra tip :-(





Huh?????Asking if the customer uses dental dams and gloves??????Doesn't that just enable the bad behavior rather than doing away with it completely??????????I'm confused by that question.Originally Posted by Susana
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NO. It's NOT.Originally Posted by VetteKilla
Looking for the customer with the most money to spend is NOT the same as looking for the most desperate dancer in order to "convince" her to do what you want sexually, which is of course outside her regular boundaries. Customers come in with money to spend. They bring in what they are willing to spend, and ALWAYS know they have the choice to spend it or not. Dancers only put up with customers' bullshit because they believe they have no other choice. Apples and oranges.
And whose fault is it that they are short of rent money. You know your income fluctuates, so how about saving a little money during the good weeks so you have some to tide you over during the bad? It's not our fault if you don't have rent money--learn how to budget. I don't go in to take advantage of "desperate" dancers, yet I don't think is fair to blame the customers that you don't have rent money because it's slow this week.Originally Posted by Bridgette
B, I cant believe you made this postOriginally Posted by Bridgette
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Imagine that you go out to your mailbox on a Saturday morning and find a flyer for an end of year bargain basement fire sale at your local retailer. And they have several products that you have been wanting to buy but have held off due to pricing. Please dont tell me that you would toss that flyer in the trash and say "No, I wont buy that TV or stereo or whatever because iits immoral to take take advantage of their high inventory/poor cash flow position". You would buy the stereo or TV of your choice in a heartbeat at the bargain price and go home happy.
Clubbers are consumers. They want the best value for the money they spend. IMO thats not being predatory, thats being a smart shopper.
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.




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I understand the 3-for-1 proposals. I won't do it. But I understand. You must also understand that if you find someone to do the 3-for-1's, I will tell the management. They don't care about extras, but if you take from their profits, the gates of hell burst wide open.Originally Posted by Bridgette
I don't get why anyone would ask me to "touch it" when you'd never ask any other time of year.





In regards to this latest turn in the conversation, the dancer who blames the customer when she let things go too far reminds me of the customer who blames the dancer when he spent too much....
...not that there aren't cases that match those criteria...
Originally Posted by TigersMilk
The nice one's are out shopping for their family, friends, and special ones. The dilution of predators is low.





When the customer goes to the club KNOWING girls will be more desperate for money this time of year, and PLANNING to take advantage of it (extract more action), that makes him a predator. Preying on another's weakness. Not saying the girls aren't wrong for putting up with it, but predatorial behaviour is, well....predatorial behaviour.





Originally Posted by Bridgette
So true....experienced this tonight. This guy had the nerve to tell me that (and Im pretty much quoting word for word here) he was specifically looking for girls who havent had alot of dances and need money so he can offer then $10 a dance. Dances are $15. Cant believe he straight up told me this crap. I can officially say they are out there.
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi





I'm not sure that conditions are going to get any better after the holiday season is over. On the one side, exotic dancing is less and less 'show business' and more and more 'sex business', with many clubowners and new dancers embracing the 'sex business' aspects just as much as the customers/'johns' ! On the other hand, high gas/oil prices, layoffs from good paying jobs, higher taxes etc. is reducing the amount of 'discretionary income' that customers have available to spend - prompting them to seek maximum 'bang for their buck'.I'm not arguing that extras are in clubs all year long. I know they are and deal with it accordingly. But now, it seems as if extras are not only more prevalent but BLATANT.
When you have a room full of hookers, you are going to attract a lot of johns. I don't have any customers. I have johns that I can't service. They are coming in looking for it. I honestly can't stick anything up my vagina or "grab it ... just for a second."
Managers? Like. They. Care. So long as excise isn't around, do whatever. A new girl lets customers massage her boobs out in the open. She does it all shift long. It's embarrassing how obvious it is. The managers say that they will talk to her. Yeah, sure, okay. Talk, haha.
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