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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    At least the film distributors had the sense to carefully restrict the theatres in which this film is to be released to cities which are at least 'tolerant' of the underlying theme. This film won't be playing in too many suburban shopping mall cineplexes !
    er, it's playing in several suburban cineplexes locally (houston). but this city tends to like putting art films in mainstream theatres very regularly.

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    Why? Homophobia, the last acceptable bastion of hate-mongering.
    So if the idea of homosexual sex is revolting, you're a homophobe?

    Tolerance doesn't have to mean acceptance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    So if the idea of homosexual sex is revolting, you're a homophobe?

    Tolerance doesn't have to mean acceptance.
    The movie isn't all about the homosexual sex act, but ppl can't get over it. When 2 unrelated ppl are in love, sex is a natural progression.... So yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    So if the idea of homosexual sex is revolting, you're a homophobe?

    Tolerance doesn't have to mean acceptance.
    Yes and yes it does, in my opinion anyway.

    As for the movie, I have heard some nice reviews and so I plan to see the movie at some point.

    I have a few other movies that I would prefer to see on the big screen prior to Brokeback Mountian. It appears to be something I could watch at home and enjoy just as much while other films like Chron. of Narnia wouldn't be quite as good for me on a small screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    So if the idea of homosexual sex is revolting, you're a homophobe?
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    Yes and yes it does, in my opinion anyway.
    I don't understand that logic.

    I've never participated in anal sex, never wanted to. It's just hygienically unacceptable to me. I guess you could say that makes it revolting. But I don't care if other people do it. I wouldn't block their acceptance in employment, society, activities, memberships, anything, because of it. The fact that I stay away from it doesn't mean I disapprove of it. It's just not for me.

    If a homosexual sex act is revolting to someone who is stimulated by heterosexual acts, that doesn't mean that they would want homosexuals discriminated against. They just find it personally revolting, but other people, hey, whatever floats the boat is fine. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean they disapprove of it.

    It's not necessarily a matter of disapproval or hatred or phobia. It's quite possibly a matter of personal preference, nothing more.

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    Interesting shift in the discussion.

    However, anal sex is not just a bastion of the male gay community---as we can see from other threads on this board, porn, and the world at large, quite a few heteros find anal sex to be quite fantastic. Also--not ever gay man enjoys participating in anal sex--I had quite a few friends in the gay community when I lived in Vancouver, and not all men enjoyed or partook in anal sex. Cock-sucking, yes. But that is also a sexual practice most heteros enjoy as well. I don't think we can really consider any sex act exclusive to any community. Folks like to mix it up wherever you go. I just wonder why people find it "revolting" when it's two men enjoying anal sex, and not when it is a man and a woman. It's the same act, kiddies. Just different players.

    I just find it interesting that a lot of men have gotten so freaked out about this movie. Watching a gay sex scene doesn't make you gay, and in the case of this movie, the sex is really such a small part of the story---a story which is purely and truly heartbreaking. It isn't gay porn. And you aren't participating in the act--it's up on the screen. What was highlighted so beautifully throughout the movie was the absolute intolerance for homosexuality in the communities these two cowboys lived in, and what that cost them over the course of their lives. I have never been homophobic, and am quite comfortable with any sexual display between two consenting adults. I would not refuse to see a movie that depicted a lesbian love scene in it. I'm straight, and don't feel threatened or revolted by seeing two women having sex.

    So I'd really like to know what is so scary for the boys about seeing a love story involving two men, and one scene depicting a sex act that is common to heteros as well. Men, why does it make you so uncomfortable? I'd really like to learn why that is. Because I honestly don't get it. Seems like there is a lot of fear there---and fear is what leads to intolerance., or is a by-product of intolerance.

    Funnily enough, when I went to the movie, the theater was filled--men and women, older and younger couples. And I live in Alberta--my city is filled with ranchers, cowboys, oilmen. Quite a conservative city, very traditional "family" values are the norm here---yet there they all were, at the "gay cowboy movie". I thought that was pretty damned cool.

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    Paintbaby, it's not scary, and two other guys having sex is not revolting per se to me. But let's say I have no desire for a dick in my mouth or my ass. The thought of it simply doesn't turn me on. If people are "wired" to be gay, then I assume I could be "wired" to be heterosexual.

    It doesn't mean that I am "anti-gay." If that stuff turns other people on, good for them. Ride 'em, cowboy. They probably wouldn't like the things that do turn me on.

    All that doesn't mean I feel threatened or revolted or scared or unhappy with any movie or want to deny basic civil rights to people who do like to do all that. I'm of the seemingly odd opinion that one's sex life should have no bearing on one's civil rights.

    As for the movie, I can watch anything that's well done. I don't really relate to gay cowboys, but if it's well recommended and there's a spot open on Home Video Night, then I might be game. "In And Out" and "The Cage" are two that come to mind with pretty strongly sympathetic gay characters. All that didn't scare me or revolt me in the least. I rather liked those movies.

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    You strike me as being pretty enlightened, Jay. I agree with your views and didn't pick up any anti-gay vibes from your posts.

    What I was curious about though, is the strong reaction many men are having to this movie. Not wanting a dick in your mouth doesn't really have much to do with watching a movie portraying love between two men.The scene isn't there to titillate the viewer, as in porn. It is the major turning point of the whole story. I was just wondering about the men who act like it's catching. My post may have been directed more toward them.

    If you like great movies, definitely give this one a look. It is a story that will stay with you for awhile, and not because of the gay sex! The ending is absolutely heartbreaking, and the acting is incredible. Just a very subtle, but very powerful film.

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    I've gone on about my love for this movie before, and will now confess to having watched it three times. I am a hetero woman-- it's the love story, the tragedy of regret. That's a fairly universal thing. I'll admit to having cried every time I've seen it.

    It reminds me a little of "The Remains of the Day". Heath Ledger's repressed cowboy is rather comparable to Anthony Hopkins repressed butler. Without giving too much away- both are so committed to aspects of their lives they deem important, and don't realize how mistaken their values are until too late. And that is tragic.

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    The truth is that more men than would ever admit HAVE thought of a dick in their mouth, or participated in some very discreet homo acts...the last acceptable taboo to totally harangue..some things hit too close to home and some ppl can't get over the "dick-sucky and arse-fucky" aspect of a male homosexual lifestyle. Those of us who have been around it know there is so much more. Gay men and women desire love and relationships as much as anyone, with all of the non-sexual aspects included. Why is that so hard to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintbaby
    What I was curious about though, is the strong reaction many men are having to this movie. Not wanting a dick in your mouth doesn't really have much to do with watching a movie portraying love between two men.
    Yeah, I overexplained, like I tend to do. I was simply contesting the statement that aversion to homosexual sex acts equates to aversion to homosexuals. I don't believe that's true in all cases.

    Anyway, to answer your question more directly: Take a guy who wants to project manly, guy strength as a dominant part of his persona. The mental stereotype of "gay" that he has is directly opposite to that projection. Therefore, if he goes along with a story that has sympathetic views toward gay characters, then, oh no, he's at risk of being "less" of a male and therefore less strong, less manly, and so on.

    That's one extreme. More towards the middle of the tolerance spectrum, you'll have guys who just don't like love stories all that much, period - in fact, that's a whole bunch of guys - and since they're not gay, they like gay love stories even less.

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    [QUOTE=Paintbaby]
    What I was curious about though, is the strong reaction many men are having to this movie. Not wanting a dick in your mouth doesn't really have much to do with watching a movie portraying love between two men.The scene isn't there to titillate the viewer, as in porn. It is the major turning point of the whole story. I was just wondering about the men who act like it's catching. My post may have been directed more toward them.

    I am am not anti -gay either , but just to throw something out there if Disney made an animated picture on the same lines as this ,love between two men, would you take your children to see it ? Dont beat me its just a question that ran in my head that I had to ask as I dont have any children myself .

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    You know it gets might lonely out there sleeping under the stars while tending them cattle. I bet someone found a cute little heffer they fell in love with too. At night who would know? Within 20 years I'll bet they produce a movie about that relationship too. Maybe this is off-topic, or at least off-color, but movie moguls are just trying to wake up sleeping audiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousJ

    I am am not anti -gay either , but just to throw something out there if Disney made an animated picture on the same lines as this ,love between two men, would you take your children to see it ? Dont beat me its just a question that ran in my head that I had to ask as I dont have any children myself .
    Interesting question.

    *If * it was age appropriate or as you put it "disney" I wouldn't have a problem with it. Couples come in all shapes and sizes in the real world so my kid will see it eventually anyway. I am more bothered by violence than love stories especially when it comes to what kids see in movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarynJolie
    Interesting question.

    *If * it was age appropriate or as you put it "disney" I wouldn't have a problem with it. Couples come in all shapes and sizes in the real world so my kid will see it eventually anyway. I am more bothered by violence than love stories especially when it comes to what kids see in movies.
    I agree. I don't have children, but if I did, I don't see why I wouldn't pass on to them my attitude of tolerance. Lord knows, people pass intolerance, racism, and ignorance on to their kids---works for tolerance, too.

    What's more, gay adults were once gay children and teenagers. Perhaps if there were more accepting and sympathetic depictions of "gayness" in the entertainment media, we wouldn't have so many gay teens killing themselves. Children and teens wouldn't grow up thinking there was something "wrong" with them. One very powerful scene in the movie shows one of the main characters as a small boy, and a brutal lesson in homophobia given to him by his father.

    Like TarynJolie, I find excessive violence in movies and in life to be extremely distasteful, not depictions of love between two people. And the reality is, gay couples and their lifestyle are as much of a part of our culture as heterosexuality. It isn't something new. I don't know why people even have opinions about it. Live and let live, I say.

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    Haha, let us make more gay jokes.

    Mature.

    First of all, there are many different types of people seeing this movie. It's a LOVE story regardless of them being gay or not. It's not about "Omg, it's hot when guys get it on" either. It's simply a love story. At first it's a gay love story, but as the movie goes on you see it less and less and two men and more and more as two struggling lovers.

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    Beautiful Story. Very arousing.

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    I never felt non-PC about NOT seeing a movie till now. However, I refuse to be guilt tripped into seeing it, or made to feel homophobic for not seeing it. If it was a man and a woman, or two women, I wouldn't go see it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox
    I never felt non-PC about NOT seeing a movie till now. However, I refuse to be guilt tripped into seeing it, or made to feel homophobic for not seeing it. If it was a man and a woman, or two women, I wouldn't go see it either.
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    Oh, cowboys fucking each other... now I have to go see this.

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