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Thread: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

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    Default Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Do you think that we all think that stripping, and the associated con game, is moral?
    I thought this comment from another thread was worth looking at, because rarely does someone here blatantly gives voice to the idea that they are 'conning' their customers. Rather, I more often see people say something along the lines of "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses fantasy with reality"

    I don't think stripping, hustling in the club, or even selling a GFE-type fantasy to a RIL has to necessarily involve a 'con'. It's possible to do all those without being dishonest or deceptive.

    Do you think there is a 'con' associated with stripping?
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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    The only "con" involved with stripping is when a dancer tells you one thing and does something else. If she tells you she'll do something specific in VIP and then doesn't that's a con job.

    Otherwise... I think guys who are realistic about strip clubs and their expectations about them are generally not "conned". I guess I make the distinction at being lied to. I'm all for selling the fantasy, but when you lie then I get pissed off.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    con, act, mildly edit reality to make customers enjoy themselves and spend money, I don't want the truth anyway, I want to have fun. If you're looking for a deep, honest relationship, don't go to a strip club. If Im looking for superficial fun, maybe I'll go. I said yes for majority, but no probems, thats the way I want it. Just don't tell me sob stories, I'm not going to believe them even if they're true, and I'll go find a different dancer who is fun to be with.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

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    Biznatch, I didn't say you could quote me, back into your box!!!

    LOL, I never felt like I was conning an honest man out of his money...I led the guys on for a short while and pulled the plug at a safe time. I didn't always do this in real life, and there was no money being directly exchanged.....

    I'm not sure, really, so many strippers I saw really did take it too far........

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Hey, it's my fantasy world and you can't come in. Now where did I put my rubber doll. She was really leading me to places I've never been before.

    If you ever watch "The Sting" of "The Flim Flam Man", people are only conned if they want to be conned.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    A fool and his money are soon parted. That's right, Sitri.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Like wise, you can't cheat an honest man, so, honest people don't go to strip clubs.

    ...............or do they?

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    Depends on the game. The only true con, I feel is promising sex outside of the club and leading a guy on this way in order to make money in the club. It was bad for business-the guy wouldn't spend on you the next time he saw you, and potentially explosive. I did have one customer who assumed that all the money that he was spending on me in the club would lead to sex after the club closed-I found this out at the end of the night after I had done four hours worth of couch dances for him. I straight up told him that I would never sleep with him, and that I danced my ass off to make my money and that if you want that sort of thing-ask the girl from the get go-and be prepared to move on when you hear "all I do is dance." Other cons, lying about your age, lying about if you find a guy attracted/interesting, that you're hot/horny-when you are really thinking about you need to pick up some cat food and kitty litter on your way home, lying about how huge a guy's penis is-after you rub a knee against his pants-I would put these in the white lie category-not immoral-which I reserve for major transgressions such as what I described at the top.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Good motto for custies to keep in mind is "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS", many dancers know exactly what to tell ya (with no intentions whatsover of actually delivering on these words) to extract more $$$ from your wallet as it is their JOB. Understanding that what they tell ya RARELY if ever happens ITC or OTC, and treating the entire SC experience as fantasy fun is the best approach to take. If you have a couple of homeruns/grandslams along the way, realize that it is the exception rather than the rule.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    ...people say something along the lines of "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses fantasy with reality"
    "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses an investment-grade stock with reality."

    "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses an reliable, economic car with reality."

    I could go on but you get my point. Selling the 'fantasy' should be obvious, but we still are men, it seems.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    I don't think its is a con game at all. Strip clubs are a form of entertainment. Customers pay for entertainment. What customers chose to believe or allow themselves to believe is on thier own head.
    People choose to believe some funny shit. Take celebrities for example. People see actors play different characters in movies, then confuse the actors for actually being interesting in real life, hence celebrity is born.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses an investment-grade stock with reality."

    "I'm selling a fantasy, and it's not my fault if the customer confuses an reliable, economic car with reality."

    I could go on but you get my point.
    Actually no, I don't. Stocks aren't a fantasy, they are real. A car isn't a fantasy, it is real. WTF are you talking about?

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by girlnew156
    Like wise, you can't cheat an honest man, so, honest people don't go to strip clubs.

    ...............or do they?

    Some men just as women do, like to play dumb once in a while! Its liberating!

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    Actually no, I don't. Stocks aren't a fantasy, they are real. A car isn't a fantasy, it is real. WTF are you talking about?
    A pretty woman can pretend anything and justify it as a fantasy and some horney guys will believe her. At least the first time.

    That's how marriages are started. You know - "honey, I'm a great cook, I can help make us a lot of money, and we'll have sex several times a day, and I swallow."
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    I answered 'not sure'
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no

    The Con (Confidence) Game involves getting the mark to gain confidence in you and believe that they will get what you promise in return for their investment.

    I have had plenty of dancers promise lap dances in exchange for money, they kept their promises. I have had dancers promise OTC meetings in exchange for money, they kept their promise.

    I have had dancers promise that if we take our lap dance to the VIP it will be more private and "We can get away with a lot more", there wasn't "more". Did I get conned, probably but that was the price I had to pay to find out. I have also had dancers request my phone number or give me theirs so we can get together and "have lunch sometime". There was never any OTC meeting but the usual "call me later" or "It's so dead, come see me at the club" phone calls. Conned again but that's like buying a scratch off lottery ticket, every once in a while the investment pays off.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    A pretty woman can pretend anything and justify it as a fantasy and some horney guys will believe her. At least the first time.

    That's how marriages are started. You know - "honey, I'm a great cook, I can help make us a lot of money, and we'll have sex several times a day, and I swallow."
    Cheeeeerist!! Why does everything always have to be equated to business sales. That's not what a marriage is supposed to be....men who get conned into loveless and sexless marriages because they think they are going to get daily deep-throatings are deluded!! Marriage is a covenant, its a meaningful relationship that must be worked on long-term and continously.

    A romp at the SC with a stripper is just a short business exchange, and therefore well-suited for all types of confidence games.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Oh, I don't think this is good. But men project lots more than women do, and it becomes trouble for them. You know (and I think you agree), some men are just not mature enough to handle the SC experience. Don't believe that everything I say here, I believe. Sometimes I just put out strawmen to see the reaction or to share some insights. Really, I am a mature, good guy, and I make friends easily anymore. But Ilike my friends to consider a range of things, some of which may make them intellectually uncomfortable. I know SW is different in that I haven't made friends, but I still like to see people respond.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    Imo, there is definitely a con GAME going on most of the time in most strip clubs, but it is a GAME in which both parties willing participate for the most part. See

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43333

    for a discussion I think is very relevant to this thread.

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    Default Re: Is there a 'con game' associated with stripping?

    I feel I should put my two cents in.

    Though I've only danced for about 2 weeks, I don't feel that what I am doing is a 'con'. I offer the gentlemen in my club a chance to see my body up-close and personal in a sensual way for a monatary value. I do things in the club that I wouldn't normally do out of the club. I'm honest to the customer about myself and who I am to the best of my ability.

    When asked to do 'more' than what I plainly offer I quickly and firmly say, "no". And then further explain what I AM offering. They can take it or leave it. But I'm not lieing to them, or cheating them of their money. They came into the club to see naked women, and perhaps get a LP or two. I know that, they know that. I offer them the chance to get a LP from me and no more.

    To me, it's a genuine business transaction. If my customers pay me to be more of a fantasy GF, then I'll be a fantasy GF. If they pay me to be slightly dominating during a dance, I'll do it. My point is, that I offer not a 'con', or a fake persona, or falsely represent myself. I offer what they WANT. And the fact that they WANT that in exchange for money, makes all the difference as to whether I am 'conning' them or not.
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