Excuse me sir?
I think I got something crazy in my eyes.
Excuse me sir?
I think I got something crazy in my eyes.
People are not ruled by their memories.
It's nice that you tip every girl. It's disheartening to be naked in front of a room full of people who are watching TV and/or staring blankly and not tipping. What am I, public access television?
On the other hand, it's happened to me a few times that someone will give me a large tip on stage, and I go over to talk to them, thinking they're a likely sell for a dance. I spend several minutes talking to them, and then they tell me they're only tipping the stage, not dancing. If you're doing this, it would be nice to let any dancers who stop by know what you're doing. That way she doesn't waste time thinking she's making a sale.
But stage-tipping customers like this are still light years ahead of the mouthbreathers who take up good seats in the front row gawking up my poon for free. Like this guy at my club who comes in every Saturday and sits up in VIP (until he's caught and moved) ogling the stage. He nurses one beer all evening and probably thinks tipping is what you do to cows. He seriously won't even smile at you if you catch his eye. We just walk around him like he's furniture. I really sort of hate this guy.



Downey Guy, could you please pm me and let me know which club is in such a sorry state or at least in which city, so that I avoid it in my travels? Thanks. I'm so used to getting at least $3 per 3 songs, that having to be grateful for a buck for the whole set would seriously annoy me.
I have no tipping no stripping motto. I give people the benefit of the doubt, and if still nothing I tell them nicely, and if still nada I just sit back, smile and stare at them. That usually works really well. They finally get it. If it's just a 1 and nothing more is coming, I keep my clothes on. Then they finally slowly get it and tip more, so more comes off. I'm fair, tho, and don't expect tips from those who just sit at the bar and don't watch me. To those who seriously don't or won't get it I give a very eloquent look, after which I honesly forget they even exist. Can't believe there are people who think this is Utopia and expect to see a naked woman dance and pay attention to them for nothing in return.
"The herd walks off the cliff because the herd are not a group of individuals - the herd is a mass of followers and followers follow the path of cowardice."
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure I pay a cover. Side note I tip the stage, I buy dances either in sets of 2, 4 or 6+ and generally tip an 2 dances regardless of how many I bought. However I find this attitude of 'I'm entitled to tips at the stage' as one of the most self-righteous bullshit themes repeated here. But hey, I'm just the customer and I'm not going to go arguing this point on a web-site dedicated to strippers. Well not anymore, last time I did my posts got the axe.Originally Posted by pissymissy
Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn.
The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity.
Miguel de Cervantes (1547 - 1616)




It's called getting payed, in the same fashion as you get a check for whatever it is that you do. *^.^*
It's part of the stripper mystery that we make it NOT look like work. I know you find this confusing and if you don't want to tip for the stage show thats fine. As someone else stated you will be treated like a mouth-breathing bit of furniture.![]()
Eques:
a dancer is entitled to money in exchange for showing her naked body. That's not self-righteous bull shit, that's called OUR JOB. It's an exchange of resources, and while we can appreciate that you buy lap dances and tip on them, dancers do get frustrated over guys 1) acting as if we're dancing naked for the exercise, or 2) getting the nakedness while with holding the money. The exchange is broken down at that point.
and if you're pulling that "hey I'm just the customer" routine as if the play the martyr, give us all the break and go over to strip club junkie. we don't need your negative energy or you acting as if our expectation of money in return for jiggling naked is somehow self-righteous bullshit.
As I said before, getting into this argument will be a waste of time. I might get my posts erased again or not, but I doubt any minds will be changed in the process. Paying a cover fee entitles people to the show. Tipping is optional. My opinion and mine alone. My opinion also is that expecting people to pay you specifically in addition to what they already paid just to walk in the door is indeed self-righteous.
I did enough different kinds of sales for a long enough time to know the shit you and I both delt and deal with. I didn’t much enjoy assholes wasting my time either. But at least the assholes who bother you profited someone.
Feel free to rip into me or this post if you wish. I'll certainly read them. However, I'm not going to continue my ‘negative energy’ by disintegrating this thread into an argument.
Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn.
The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity.
Miguel de Cervantes (1547 - 1616)
Ugh, I'll break my own previous statement. If only because this thread has succesfully cancelled my stripclub visit tonight. Only temporary I assure you but I don't think I'd be a very generous customer tonight.
We are. I hate quoting dictionaries but you need this lesson.Originally Posted by Crow
ar·gu·ment
1. a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.
b. A quarrel; a dispute.
c. Archaic. A reason or matter for dispute or contention: “sheath'd their swords for lack of argument” (Shakespeare).
Your two posts are offensive and do not indicate their writer is an adult. If you wish to have a polite discussion with an adult, which I make no pretensions to being, I suggest you first become polite yourself. If I've misinterpreted your earlier post I suggest you tell me so I can apologize, but currently I find it to be nothing but a snide remark. I am well aware of how a club works, that you are in fact working and how you get paid. I also know that anytime you have to pay to walk in the door one is entitled to the show and does not need to pay the actor. That is a general statement. I don't pay broadway actors directly, I don't pay Tom Cruise directly and I am not required to pay strippers directly. If the customer wants more then he has to pay for it. I obviously want a bit more and don’t want to feel like a cad and thus tip and the rest.I am simply discussing views with an adult. I hope. We can be adult and politely agree to disagree.
Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn.
The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity.
Miguel de Cervantes (1547 - 1616)
Handing out tips willy nilly is simply retarded. Don't tip girls you don't like. This is basic. Like Yoda said, I don't see the point of sitting at the stage if I don't like who's up there.If you go to a strip I think it's an absolute must to bring a alot of one dollar bills and hand them out generously. It's just not right to sit there empty handed and unappreciative. It just shows no class. Period.
Myself, I don't see the point of tipping less than a fiver at the stage, and if I know the girl well, will tip as much as a twenty. It takes a lot of balls to get up on the stage, and it just pisses me off when a hot chick is doing a great show and the guys all have their hands in their pockets. This happened to me in Tampa during the Mast/CO tour of Florida and as a result, I met two really great, fun girls.
If you like the chick and she's doing a great show, tip her. If not, get away from the stage.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Eques, so if you tip occassionally and purchase dances than why are you so adamant in defending the group that doesn't?
At all the clubs in Sacramento theres a rule - and it is often repeated by the DJ AND boucers will remind you. If you are at the tip rail it is minimum $1 per song. Depending on the club thats either $1 or $2. You dont want to tip, you dont like the girl, then sit at a table and not at the rail.
If you are aware of how a club works then you should be aware that it costs US money to work at the clubs in which you thinking "paying your cover charge" of what 3-10$ gets you a free show....Originally Posted by Eques
Not paying actors directly lmao yes but they get a paycheck for their performances!!!
It kills me that now in 2006 guys are still under the assuption we get a pay check and /or do not pay the club a hella lot more then they do for their "free" show. Bottom line all us girls are saying ( and correct me ladies if anyone disagrees) is if you are sitting at the stage or on the floor and you are staring at the dancers doing their jobs TIP. Just sitting there will only in time get all the girls in a crap ass mood and your "entitled free show" WILL soon being to suck!!!!!
tipping should be compulsary esp for those men who like to sit at the front of the stage and stare but not dig deep into their pocket to show appreciation to the entertainment that goes on in front of them!!
i went to a strip club on the weekend with some friends (im a girl) and i had to chase some of the girls around the club to give them tips! even though it is only $5 i gave them they were all appreciative and made them smild
as a dancer - when a customer tips me i feel so much more appreciated by knowing that some one was watching and enjoying it
all in all it brings a smile to my face and makes me strive for more!!!
TIPS = BETTER DANCE = MORE FUN
As Jay says - dancers expect to get paid for working. Arguing that you don't want to tip dancers you don't like is one thing (I'm not really the kind of person to make that kind of call. I'm willing to tip one stupid dollar a song even if I don't like the dancer that much. But I don't like people to feel bad about themselves). However saying that paying a cover "entitles" one to the show - why? Like who says? It is not, in any form, compensating the person PROVIDING the show. If one is aware of this - I fail to see how paying a cover (if there is a cover to be paid) entitles one to ANYTHING from people who see not a penny of that cover.
However, it also depends where you are, like in the country, where you're sitting in the club, etc. There are some circumstances under which stage tipping is more mandatory than others (and it has NOTHING to do with paying a cover). Where I work here there is NO tipping on stage (and relatively rarely in dances). It has nothing to do with the customers being cheap, it's just the convention of this town (My bar doesn't even have a tip rail - of which I'm just as glad. I hate customers sitting there eyeballing my crotch in front of a whole bunch of other people).
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Well, it's good that you understand how it works. You do also understand that Tom Cruise and all of those broadway actors get payed to show up for work by whatever production company is employing them for that particular gig. Right? OK, now, do you understand that dancers do not draw a paycheck for showing up at a club, in fact, they have to pay a fee to dance? You do? Well then how can you possibly expect to draw any sort of effective analogy between the two fields? Beats me.Originally Posted by Eques
Yes, it sucks that guys who don't tip can sit for hours nursing a beer and the dancers derive no benefit from it. Strip club owners don't run their clubs for the dancers benefit, they run them for their benefit. It's almost impossible for a club owner to not make money off of every single customer that walks through the door. It's easy for a dancer not to make a dime off of a guy who watches her dance for a set and then leaves. In the old days clubs payed shift pay, they don't any more. In the old days guys who sat at the stage and didn't tip where asked to move to the back of the room so tippers could sit up front....don't see that happen much anymore.
Aside from buying a lap dance, guys are on their own best ethical behavior as to when and how generously they tip. I personally don't feel that paying the cover charge entitles you to anything other than a seat. If you are going into a building full of naked women you should be prepared to pay to be entertained. I don't happen to think any customer should be obligated to tip every dancer onstage-unless he is sitting at the stage. If your spending anytime reading this board you know how things work in a strip club. Denying that is just sticking your head in the sand. If you are watching dancer and enjoying her show you should tip her. If a few bucks breaks your bank you should stay home and look for free porn on the internet-those girls have already been paid.
If you where a waiter making $2.65 an hour you'd be pretty pissed if nobody tipped you all night because they had paid for there dinner and drinks and didn't feel obligated to tip the guy who served them all night.
These 3 sentences show meOriginally Posted by Eques
you don't know how a stripclub works, if you did you wouldn't say things like " I also know that anytime you have to pay to walk in the door one is entitled to the show and does not need to pay the actor" or " I don't pay Tom Cruise directly and I am not required to pay strippers directly."
I could go on and on but I won't for the simple fact that I'm sure I'll end up saying things that would only lead to flame wars and we sure as heck don't need that.![]()





I go into a club with a budget for the most part and usually exceed it !





I think that we have to draw a distinction between legal obligations and ettiquette guidelines. If one wants to be technical, once a customer has paid his door cover and drink minimum, he is as Eques stated, under no obligation to spend another cent unless some rule mandated by the club says otherwise (such as the one AudreyLeigh mentioned).
Does this mean that its ethically okay to not to tip? My guidelines say if you are expressing interest in a gal's performance, absolutely not. (And if you're sitting stageside, you're clearly expressing interest in a gal's performance). If you're not meaning to express interest, it is only common courtesy to move away from the stage and turn your gaze somewhere else.
This topic is never going to be resolved primarily for the reason that dancers and customers do not often agree on what the intent of a stage set is. Dancers often refer to their work as a "performance", not unlike a movie or concert that should always be compensated for. Customers who are intent on buying dances later, see it more as "window shopping", not unlike merchandise in a store, and should only be compensated for when said "merchandise" would be of use to them.
Personally speaking, I love a stage show when the dancer is appealing to me, (and the less raunchy the better). I will gladly take a front row seat and lay some money on the rail for that as it is one of the simple (and relatively inexpensive) joys of being at a SC. But not every girl who struts her stuff up there is going to be to my liking, and I have zero control over the stage rotation. Its during those times, I will go back to my table or to another stage. Some might consider that cruel, but I didn't pay for a cover and overpriced drinks to be the bestower of equality at the stage. I'm there for the dances, and from a few specific ladies. Watching the stage is merely an appetizer leading up to the main course.
Now if I invested enough of my attention towards a stage dancer, even if she's not my ideal for an entertainer, I will tip her, because face it, its better than sitting there on my ass bored. Once I have a gal of my liking at my table though, its only fair to say that said attention is no longer there. I don't feel that I should be obliged to tip for a performance I clearly am no longer interested in.
Former SCJ now in rehab.
Well, if every customer stopped tipping the dancers, how long do you think the dancers would continue with this career option? On the other side of that coin, if the clubs wanted to continue to sell the shows, and no cutomers tipped at all the cover may be in excess of $150 per person (as it is in the lingerie modeling studios, and at the big Vegas style shows etc.).Originally Posted by Eques
Although I don't expect every customer to tip me, I do expect that if you are enjoying my show, there is only one way for me to understand that, by tipping. Not tipping a dancer while she strips is the equivelent of being booed off the stage. Not nice and very insulting.
Would you boo and hiss at a dancer who is nude in front of you? Then show her a little respect and throw a $1 on the stage. Sheesh, you can't even buy a cup of coffee for a buck!
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!
I thought that our DJ made a very good call that was also humerous at the same time.He was encouraging guys to tip the ladies and some guy whistled at the girl onstage in response. DJ said "That's cute, but it doesn't pay the rent! Get out your money!"





Every business is entitled to come up with a set of "regulations" for their customers to follow so that the business has a chance at staying viable. You are entitled not to participate in that business if it are not to your liking. Sometimes businesses don't strictly enforce the "tipping rules" that they set out for some of their workers. You can take up space there, and maybe you don't have to participate. You can spend days at car dealerships taking many demo rides, sipping free coffee, chatting with salesmen, and not even buying an oil filter. You can walk the mall the whole day long and bring your own lunch just so you don't have to turn on your air conditioner or use gasoline while you whittle away your time. You can go into a restaurant, sit in their chair, and ask them for water or even a small coffee while surreptitiously eating the lunch you brought along. Maybe no one will see. You don't have to tip a waitress either, but someday you might get a little extra protein in your coffee. Karma.
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

I think alot of the guys who don't tip really believe that stripping is an easy job and that the girls on stage really don't deserve it. Their attitude basically is- "These girls got it easy. Stripping for a living is Disneyland." But just reading some of the posts on this board, blows that idea to shreds. Stripping is a demanding job that takes it toll on the women who do it and they deserve to be tipped.





We can wax poetic about what dancers "deserve" and its not going to change anything. Dancers for the most part are not paid on what they deserve or how hard they work, they are paid on what the perceived value of their services to the customer are. Its for this same reason we pay somebody $20 million to play shortstop, and another person $30K to teach elementary school.Originally Posted by Downey_Guy
As far as earnings potential goes, not all dancers are created equal. There are valid reasons why Dancer A makes three times what Dancer B does depsite the fact that they both may have worked equally hard. It is a sales job, and in sales if you're selling apples and people for the most part want oranges, you're probably only going to be selling apples to the few people who want them, now matter how hard you worked to make those apples look nice. My parents have run there own business for 30 years. There are days that they work their asses off and have nothing to show for it, and there are days where they've sold thousands of dollars worth of merchandise within the first hour of opening. Thats simply the nature of the beast.
The fact is that dancers in most clubs are more akin to businesses competing over a finite amount of cash than they are co-workers manufacturing widgets in an assembly line. Much like other businesses, dancers who take customer spending habits into account and adapt their sales strategies towards them usually will succeed. Those who try to fight this dynamic and insist that everyone has to like them and tip them accordingly usually do not. If dancers wish to be paid for every second they are on the floor, they should find a club that pays an hourly wage, although I should point out the reason a club would pay a wage in the first place is because the earnings potential in that club is low, and in many cases is relegated to "stage only" performances.
You don't see dancers giving customers equal attention just because they brought money to spend now do you? The smart ones will go towards where they can get the most money during a particular time for the least amount of effort, in choosing what city to work in, what club, and which customers to approach, hence the saying, "Work smart, not hard."
Former SCJ now in rehab.
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