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    I'm new and I have been dacning for about a month now and I was really confused about tip outs. One dancer who befriended me at work said it's totally unnessary in a typical Vegas club and that she only tips the DJ and that's it. I considered doing that but realized that karma has a powerful presence- espcially in this industry.

    Bad Karma:
    I normally tip the valet $5 even though I never drive there and always get dropped off and picked up. Then I stopped tipping him. One night he thought I drove a black Saab but I told him, "No, I'm actually getting picked up," he wished me a good night and such and looked slightly disappointed that I didn't tip him. The very next day I rammed my car against a pole trying to park!

    Good Karma:
    This past week I went back to tipping generously and the DJ was so sweet to me, telling me I can tell him when I want to eat my dinner so he can push back my stage time. The bouncer was sweet to me, I talked to him asked him about how the week was, then tipped him. 2 seconds later I was lap dancing for a really grabby guy and he came over and whispered in my ear, "Vice is here sweetie." I then thought, "Aha! That has to be code for cops?" So I didn't care if it was true or not: I told the custy the bouncer was warning us and we both needed to be good and behave . I tipped the hosts generously too and lo and behold for the first time ever I got "hooked up": thanks to the guy who remembered me he brought me to 2 tables that consequently brought me an easy $200 in under 10 minutes. If I didn't tip that $20 I would not have earned $180 in 10 minutes; instead I would have gone to the locker and earned $0 listening to gossip and bitching and wondering what time it was and wanting to go home.

    Just wanted to share that tipping out is a good thing for dancers .

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    Yea - that tends to be what happens. I always tip everyone and Im always pointed to money. Its kind of a no brainer... you dont give bouncer $$ why would he send $$ your way?

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    My philosophy is that when you do me a good service you get paid, if you screw up you don't. I do not give extra tip outs at a new club unless you have earnt it.
    If I pay you $10 minimum and you never do anything for me that's all you get until the end of time. That's how business works.

    There was a time the minimum would be $10 and I would put an extra $5-10 on top of that to the DJ or housemom, and they grew to expect it for doing absolutely nothing. Trouble came and again they did nothing but still expected me to over tip them. Now it's only when they have done something such as play me a good set or provide me with something I need like hairspray that I will start tipping extra.
    I work hard for my money, I'm not a charity. You do something for me and I'll do something for you.

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    The way I look at is, this way.
    If I owe you, I pay you.

    If I am under no obligation, I don't owe you a damn thing.

    Don't stand there with your mouth open, looking for a peanut.

    It ain't gonna happen.

    Thanks and have a good night/day whatever.

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    Problem with ^^^ is that because you DIDNT tip them when something DOES arrive youre on your own. THAT is how it works in this industry. Its kind of a pre-payment for something.

    i.e. You never tip bouncer. Bouncer dislikes you because you never tip. Guy tries to rape you. Bouncer looks other way because why take care of you when you never took care of him.

    You have to remember - Bouncer makes around $6/hr which is probably $35 a night. He LIVES off your tips.

    If I was a bouncer and you didnt give a give a damn about me then I wouldnt give a damn about you... I honestly dont understand how some girls complain about tipping (or DONT tip) and then when something happens bitch about no bouncer interveining. Just because bouncer boy didnt save your day today doesnt mean something wont happen tomorrow or a year for now. Bouncers arent just there for looks ya know.... they help a LOT even if it wasnt you specifically. Maybe theres a bar fight, drunks wanting in, grabby guy that COULD have been all over YOU (but thankfully wasnt)

    I dont understand the closemindedness of some people when it comes to tipping.

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    ^^^^ Truth!!!

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    dear Lord! I hope a bouncer would step in if I was about to get raped, even if I hadn't given him anything up to that point. I've worked at clubs where the percentage I give them is divided three ways, or whatever, bouncers included. Although tipping the DJs, house moms, and the guy that walks you to your car is anywhere from strongly suggested to required.
    I understand about tipping before hand, however I am also wary of tipping regularly for no service. I've been in tight spots (or had money pointed out to me) and that's when I tip extra...though, I think that tipping irregularly (and obviously when they've done something to help you) will still keep you in the good graces of the bouncers/DJ/ cooks and whoever else.

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    Jesus Christ! I have a far higher opinion of bouncers than you do. The only bouncers I have ever seen look the other way when a girl was being harassed were just general assholes - nothing to do with tips. The bouncer is there to bounce - he is not a goddam freelancer, and the club has no right to offload their employees salaries onto me. When the bouncer works for me - which has been very rare, to be perfectly honest; I handle my problem customers myself unless it is really extreme (and frankly, if it is extreme, and the bouncer looks the other way, both he and the club open themselves to serious liability) - I tip him. Otherwise - no. I will not tip people for NOT bringing me a car that I don't own. I already pay a damn driver to do that.

    As I've said - I think 10% for referred business is reasonable. Some girls go up to 15% or 20% (and generosity never hurt anyone - but I really need that extra 5%). I don't see how just paying people in general advantages me though. If I just go around handing out money all the time, why would they bother bringing me business? They OUGHT to be bringing it to the girl who ONLY pays them when she's brought business, you know? Because they'd be getting my money regardless.
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    Peanuts, peanuts, come and get your peanuts.

    No problems with tip outs, have gvien sometimes more than my share.

    But if I give, I can expect a little in return. Yeah, in theory.

    In actuality, it never quite works out that way.

    Maybe I should have roasted the peanuts.

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    I tip everyone well. Granted 95% of the time you may not need the bouncer, he's way more apt to help you when you take care of him every night. I consider it "Insurance On My Ass"! Also they are more likely to tell you where the money's at or even introduce you to a big spender when you tip well. I tip valet $5 every night and I walk to my car myself at the end of the night so they can keep working. Because I've always tipped well no matter what kind of night I've had, they always rearrange cars to keep mine in close view of them. Also, the DJ allows me to skip as many rotations as I need in order to get ready and be in my favorite spot of the rotation. I keep them happy and they keep me happy. The few extra bucks a night is well worth my sanity and easiest working conditions provided by those people I tip.

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    tipping out here rarely happens in australia! lucky us ~ having said that i still tip on the odd occassion of a good night when i know that they have played a substantial role to help!

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    Yeah, tipping is really complicated. I've had customers tip the cocktail waitress $1 during our stay in VIP and have a heart attack when I ask them for tip for the room host and struggle over handing me $4 in ones (then I add in $15 or so of my own $). But I've also had a customer tip all the cocktail waitresses generously, which in turn makes the cocktail waitress like both of us (both me and the custy) then tip me $100 and tip the room host way over $20. People have different perceptions of it- generally those you tip well are the ones who have an understanding of occupations based on tips... It's also wierd handing it to them too, do you hand it to them on the sly? Or do you make a point and show them the amount you are giving them? What is more *appropriate*? Is this amount too much? Too little? What is a good amount?

    Personally, I tip my hair dresser about 30% or more and she loves me to death. Always remembers every detail about me even though she is always booked and has tons of clients. I have never ever had a bad experience with her and she even allots extra time for me when she schedules me in for my hair appointment. She has never worked on anyone else while she works on me and even offers to do my hair at her home if I can't get scheduled in at the salon. On occasion she has given me full sized products for free or given me half off a protein or deep conditioning treatment when she thought my hair needed it. I really think this is due to being nice and respectful of her and tipping her about 30%.

    I don't exactly go around handing everyone I see at the club money for not doing anything, but I do know they will probably *remember* you and although the circumstances that night may not call for them to help you in some way, you never know what will happen on a different night and chances are they will probably help you more than they would someone they remember does not tip or does not tip well.

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    Coming from people who make a lot of their money from tips, I don't get the anti-tipping attitude.

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    I usually tip out about 10% of what I make each night- I give the bartenders about half of that, and the bouncers and DJ the rest. If I have an extremely good night, I'll tip more, or if I have a really bad night, I may tip more the next night to make up for it, but generally about 10%. Sometimes I tip the DJ more if he did a really good job for me that night, or if the bouncer saved my ass I'll give hime more, but I always tip everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeganR
    Coming from people who make a lot of their money from tips, I don't get the anti-tipping attitude.
    Handing over a percentage of your nightly income to other club employees really isn't the same as tipping for a service you've purchased, though, is it?

    I think it's safe to say we're all pretty good tippers when we are in restaurants, getting haircuts, having massages, etc. This is just about tipping people *at work* whose earnings are dependent on what we dole out, regardless of what kind of service we provide. For instance, I worked at a club in Indiana with a fucking *jukebox*, yet there was a mandatory tip to the DJ of 5% of your net. That's $25 on a 500 night for doing nothing whatsoever to make you money. He didn't play the music, do the lights, or anything except announce your name. For that service I think $5 is adequate. I will save the $20 tips for the DJs who actually do a damn thing.

    The hostility also comes from the fact that contrary to the title of this thread, most tipouts are mandatory, not voluntary, and we have to tip out staff that are sorry and don't help us make money more often than not.

    That being said, I will fall over myself to make sure that someone who's helped me make money or can is compensated well.

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    as for 'tipping for protection', perhaps i was spoiled by my last club, where the staff didn't expect tips and considered it their duty to throw out all problem customers, even for dancers they personally disliked. i mean, i know that the 'tip for protection' bit is how it works in a lot of clubs, but it seems kind of demoralising, especially since there've been plenty of posts about how suchandsuch a dancer tipped bouncers regularly and still had to fight off a problem customer by herself.

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    well yea in theory it isnt supposed to matter if you tip or not. Like audrey says it is the reality in our business. most bouncers and club staff DO treat you better or worse dependant on your tip. They do make around 40 or so a night. would you be motivated to help someone out (not nessesaraly rape) if you watched them walk with hundreds a night and give them a measly buck or NOTHING. this all goes hand in hand with your cost of working in the club. why dont some stingy girls get this? i have seen the shitty/non tippers get nothing for the nothing they give. i have 4-6 bouncers a night and you better believe they all get tipped at least decent. guess what. i'm treated like a queen by them and all staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletassle
    It's also wierd handing it to them too, do you hand it to them on the sly? Or do you make a point and show them the amount you are giving them? What is more *appropriate*? Is this amount too much? Too little? What is a good amount?
    I usually slide the money into their shirt pocket. Theres no need to point out how much you tipped. They will count it and know what you paid.

    I typically tip 20%. If I make $500 (after rent) I give DJ $30, Bouncer (2-3) $20 and Manager $20. Some people tip more, some less. I also make it a point to go to each person after a crappy night and say I didnt make anything (they know) and wont be tipping.

    As per my last post. Im not saying the bouncer will look the other way if someone trys to rape you. Im just trying to make a point. Tipping the bouncers is kind of like insurance. Just like you pay monthly for medical/car insurance. You still pay it even tho you didnt USE it. Even tho that month you didnt need it. Its more of a JUST IN CASE thing. Good to have.

    I also have many bouncers point out big $$ or point custys my was after only a few days of working there.... because I tipped better than others. I ALSO go up to bouncers and mention if they show me the $$ I will give them 20% of what I get from said custy... you bet your ass that they send the bucks my way. An extra 20% on top of what I normally tip.

    I tipped a bouncer at my last club $80 for sending a custy my way. Thats almost 10 times what most girls tip. And he said if hed have sent that custy to another girl they may have given him $20...

    This is why I leave the club with much more than the other girls. In the end it doesnt PAY to be stingy when it comes to tips.

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    The club where I work has a $3 to each person tip out rule.I go by it unless I've been helped.If I have been helped I go far beyond the recomended tip.

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    Im curious (tho Im not asking for an answer) what the dancers take home typically is if tip out is only $3? $100-150 a night? In that case yea, $3 to each person may end up around 15-20%... which makes sense. If youre walking with $500 a night and only tipping $20 then damn.. sign me UP!

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    Yes, but tipping is for service. And shouldn't be contingent on your income. If one goes into a restaurant and accumulates a $300 tab, one should tip between $45 and $60 (at least around here - unless you are feeling generous). One wouldn't just say "well, salary is quite low, so I'm going to tip you $3 instead." The difference in strip clubs is that the service they provide is, in theory, related to our income - this is why a percentage of income makes sense. Because you are not accumulating a tab at all. So if they HAVEN'T provided a service, and haven't helped me make money, what am I tipping for? I cannot accept the comparison of a "tip" as "insurance" - primarily because it makes no sense. A tip is NOT insurance. And an insurer would have a much different duty to me than the bouncer does. The club already PAYS him to be there - ergo, his simple presence in the club is already compensated - I do not tip waiters who are not serving just because they are present in the restaurant. I actually can't see why everyone is so fine with the club simply offloading their costs onto us. I mean I get acceding to it - simply because not acceding is generally more trouble than it is worth to us - but arguing that it is right and good - I totally don't get that.
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    well if you call 40 a night payed then cool. it is CUSTOMARY IN THIS BUSINESS period. maybe not in canada but here in the usa it is the price of doing business. this doesnt need to be disected and analogys made. it's just the facts. no matter if you agree with the practice or not.

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    okay, tipping because someone deserves it is one thing, but tipping we to get good tipping karma is something totally different.

    I don't believe in tipping karma, but I do believe in taking care of the people that take care of me. You do not get something for nothing from me.

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    I tip based on level of service. If I get fabulous service I tip very well. If I get the min. amount of service, I tip the min. amount of money. I have had some profitable working relationships with various support staff over the years and I think alot has to do my tip out style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yes, but tipping is for service. And shouldn't be contingent on your income. If one goes into a restaurant and accumulates a $300 tab, one should tip between $45 and $60 (at least around here - unless you are feeling generous). One wouldn't just say "well, salary is quite low, so I'm going to tip you $3 instead." The difference in strip clubs is that the service they provide is, in theory, related to our income - this is why a percentage of income makes sense. Because you are not accumulating a tab at all. So if they HAVEN'T provided a service, and haven't helped me make money, what am I tipping for? I cannot accept the comparison of a "tip" as "insurance" - primarily because it makes no sense. A tip is NOT insurance. And an insurer would have a much different duty to me than the bouncer does. The club already PAYS him to be there - ergo, his simple presence in the club is already compensated - I do not tip waiters who are not serving just because they are present in the restaurant. I actually can't see why everyone is so fine with the club simply offloading their costs onto us. I mean I get acceding to it - simply because not acceding is generally more trouble than it is worth to us - but arguing that it is right and good - I totally don't get that.
    Im guessing in your club if no one tips then you shouldnt tip. Makes sense. Its just not how things work there. That would explain why this tipping stuff makes no sense to you. You also have to remember..

    Were talking about America (land of the GREEDY) here. We HAVE to tip.. its just how things work. If you danced out here for a couple months youd quickly realize tipping in the US is more like insurance than how you would tip when you go out to dinner....

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