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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Yes, 'payments' to a club's hair stylist and makeup artist fall under exactly the same situation as applies to DJ's, bouncers, bartenders etc. If these persons are technically 'employees' of the club, then by definition they/the club cannot 'charge' dancers for their services thus any money given to them by dancers must be a voluntary gift. If these persons are technically independent contractors, then payments made to them are deductible as legitimate business expenses - however if those payments exceed $700 total over the course of an entire year then in order to take the business expense tax deduction dancers must themselves issue 1099 forms to the hair stylist and makeup artist (which requires dancers knowing their real name, real address and SS#).

    In the real world, many dancers simply sidestep this 'sticky wicket' and count as gross income the amount of money they actually walk out of the club with at the end of the night (after payments to DJ, bouncers, bartender, hair stylist, makeup artist etc.). I'm not saying that this is the technically correct thing to do tax filing wise, but it is common practice in the industry.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Sorry to bounce this thread back up but I had a question. Is getting massages or how about a chiropractor to work on my back tax deductible??? How about facials?







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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Under the 'housewife test', none of those things would qualify. You might get away with the chiropractic bill as a business expense, though, or at least 50% of it.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    I don't mean to bother you...but in one of your older postings you mentioned how we can write off the makeup and other accessories purchased (cabs) associated with work. I have no idea on this process, do I send a letter and copy of he reciepts with the 1099's? I know this is silly, but I grew up in a cash world with no tax worry (very poorly) and now that I suddenly am making a decent income, I have no idea what to do.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    you can write off theatrical make-up, but you're technically not supposed to write off department store make-up because millions of housewives also buy it with no business purpose in mind. It gets filed as a miscellaneous expense on Schedule C of your tax return (save the receipts if you are ever audited, but don't send the receipts with your tax return). Same for cab fares.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    thread bump! mel, do you think its better to wait and deduct my housefees from my income when i file, or just not count them into my gross income every night?
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ^^^ the better answer depends on how your club accounts for (or does not account for) cash payments in the opposite direction. If you club allows dancers to keep 100% of the customer money proceeds from private dances, then it's better to list the house fees as a business expense. If your club scarfs a percentage of customer money proceeds from each private dance, then it's probably better just to net everything out in to a single nightly 'take home' income figure.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ok, i got you. i also read somewhere that the local and state tax youve paid over the year is all deductable. is this true? like all the taxes ive paid on groceries, and household items is deductable?
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ^^^ well, not exactly. You can elect to either deduct state sales tax paid, or to deduct state income tax paid, but not both. So if you live in a state like Florida or Texas that does not have a state income tax, attempting to claim your sales tax payments as federal tax deductions will lower your federal tax liability. On the other hand, if you live in a state like New York or California that has a very high state income tax, you will usually LOSE money by electing to claim sales tax payments instead of state income tax payments. The exception of course is if you have made LARGE purchases of taxable items ... i.e. buying a new car plus new appliances plus a new large screen TV all in the past year ... such that the sales tax paid exceeds the state income tax paid. In fact, some people deliberately 'time' the near simultaneous purchases of large items into a single year for exactly this reason, while minimizing their purchases in the following year (or two or three).

    Also, in order to 'fully' claim your state sales tax payments, you must have kept fairly meticulous receipts. If I remember correctly, there is also a 'formula' sales tax deduction available without requiring meticulous receipts ... but it will probably understate your actual sales tax payments.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ok, i get it. so one more question. im not going to get any tax refunds am i since im only paying what i owe to the government, not overpaying right?
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by kikidejavu View Post
    ok, i get it. so one more question. im not going to get any tax refunds am i since im only paying what i owe to the government, not overpaying right?
    In an ideal system, you would be perfectly withheld, or your quarterly reports would be exact. We don't have a perfect system. In our system, there are calculations that can only be done on the form 1040 that will yield errors, usually in your favor, in the withholding formula. The system is designed to slightly overwithhold.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    If you set up a High deductible health insurance plan with a Health Savings Account (HSA) you can deduct 100% of personal trainer fees, chiropractor, massage therapy, acupuncture, and other "fringe" medical treatments that are often not covered by insurance.
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ok, cool. thanks
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I had some questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by forevernaked View Post
    Aside from house fees, when counting deductions, ask yourself: "Does this help my business?" Here's a laundry list of items I or dancers I know have deducted:

    -hair products
    -hair styling (cuts, color, extensions, etc)
    -makeup
    -plastic surgery
    -tanning
    -manicures & pedicures
    -exercize equipment
    -gym membership
    -dance lessons
    -travel expenses to out-of-area clubs (namely Vegas)
    -computer & software
    This is what I was coming to post about. I have receipts for waxing, shoes, and products. This is normal, and acceptable, to use as write-offs, if I have proof of purchases? I'm a little confused, as some old posts give contradicting information. (Also, those posts are three years old.. has anything changed?)

    Also, I thought that if one logs mileage when they commute to work that counts, not just if they're on the road with no club to call "home." I thought that was a deduction any person can do.

    My question is, the club that I'm applying to pays minimum wage. However, I don't know what sorts of forms they give to employees. I don't know how that will work into deductions, since I'm not entirely sure if it's considered independent contractor for only some services, or what. I don't think lap dances and stuff like that are counted in the paycheck. I think they actually take house fees out of the paycheck, so you end up with a little money each week, but there's some sort of tax trick to it.

    For what it's worth, I live in a state that doesn't have state income tax.

    Oh, taxes, so confusing! So many little details.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    If they are paying you minimum wage, you can expect a W-2 at the end of the year. (Actually by January 31 of the next year.) You can also expect to fill out a W-4 before starting work. That makes you an employee. They will probably pay you minimum wage plus some sort of estimate for tips. Like wait staff is treated now. That will go on your W-2 at the end of the year. You are still responsible for reporting tips in excess of what is on your W-2, if any. And you will have to pay taxes on the excess, if any is due. Likewise, you will get a refund for any excess taxes witheld. One more thing you can expect is to be witheld for your share of social security and medicare. (7.51% at the moment.) Witholding should show up on your paystub every pay period.

    As far as deductions, you probably cannot take any of the items on the list, except for travel and lodging if you go to Vegas. (Assuming you don't live in Vegas.) Travel to other clubs is deductible. But, you will have to file a schedule C on the income and expense of those trips, unless you happen to dance at a club that treats you as an employee when you travel. The other big exception is implants of a "professional" size. Those are generally deductible as ordinary and necessary business expenses.

    Keep your dancing money, especially the money that comes without witholding in a separate account. Call that your business account. Make deposits to the business account contemporaneous with your receipt of the income. If audited this one example of good record keeping will help in more ways than you can imagine. It also enforces some discipline on you. Pay your business expenses from the business account. Even expenses that are arguable as deductions. Believe this, if you pay an expense from your personal account, you will have a tough time convincing an auditor or a court that it was a business expense. Remember, dancing is your business. It may be my boyfriend's entertainment, but it's your business.

    Here's an example of a questionable deduction that might work if done correctly. You buy $100 worth of makeup from Macy's. You really do only use it for work. But, you pay for it from your personal account, i.e. cash from your purse. You decide to put it on your schedule C under a miscellaneous expense. In a couple of years you get an audit and one thing the auditor is looking at is your expenses. You pull out the reciepts and show him a Macy's reciept for makeup $100.00, cash. He says, housewife test, not deductible.

    Now, same $100.00 expense. Instead of paying out of your purse with cash. You whip out the debit card that is only associated with your business checking account and pay for the makeup, still at Macy's. Again, the audit rolls around and the auditor looks at that item. Now you show him the reciept and it says it came from the business account. He can't use your use of personal funds against you. Now, it's your word that it was a business expense against his application of the housewife test. You have a much better chance of winning that argument, especially if all your business account expenditures are well documented and reasonably associated with the business. One thing I did with makeup is I bought it from a costume shop where I went to college. They would give me a receipt that said "theatrical makeup". I always took that on my schedule C. If the service had asked, I'd whip out the receipt from the costume shop that said "theatrical makeup" and be ready to rumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kokoro View Post
    Also, I thought that if one logs mileage when they commute to work that counts, not just if they're on the road with no club to call "home." I thought that was a deduction any person can do.
    Commuting is specifically not deductible. Even with perfect records, it's not deductible.

    Sorry I missed that one in your main post.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    the club that I'm applying to pays minimum wage
    By definition, any club that pays dancers minimum wage treats dancers as (tipped) employees who are not in business for themselves. This in turn limits the allowable deductions the dancer can claim to items which fall under 'employee business expense deductions' ... which is basically restricted to costumes, shoes etc.

    Also, when clubs treat dancers as employees, by the letter of the law they are supposed to require dancers to report and hand over their tip earnings on a nightly basis, and to then pay out to the dancer at the end of the week after estimated income tax, workers comp premiums, unemployment insurance premiums etc. are withheld. However, most clubs will not allow their employee dancers to do this since the clubs do not want to have to pay the employer's share of workmens comp, unemployment insurance etc. on the total amount of dancer income. This usually leaves the dancer between a legal rock and a hard place, because if she reports her tip income as an independent contractor second income source it's technically fraudulent (since she only has one dancing job), and because if she doesn't report her tip income to the club (even though the club may not allow her to do so even if she tries) it will be the dancer not the club that is considered guilty of underreporting income. Employee dancers usually have a high audit rate as well, since the clubs that treat their dancers as employees are actually doing a lot of 'hanky panky' to escape having to pay normal employer tax rates and the IRS knows it.
    Last edited by Melonie; 04-24-2009 at 04:16 PM.

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    -computer & software ----- ---- how would you relate this to your business?? by using this site?? I just bought a computer and I was wondering..

    Also, I am planning on buying a new car in about 2 months... If I keep my old car and use this one just for "business" traveling to out of town clubs, private parties. Would I be able to count that?? or half of it?? bc I would have my old car for my personal use..


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    ^^^ In order to make an airtight argument that computer and software expenses are business related, it's really necessary to show HOW that computer and software increase your profitability. I faced this issue in the days when I ran a pay website, and could easily show that my computer and software were used to make monthly website updates that directly resulted in website earnings from monthly membership sales. Logically speaking, it is much more difficult to show that sort of correlation between investing in a computer and software versus increased earnings that are a direct result of those investments when the 'source' of additional earnings cannot be quantified / 'pigeon holed'.

    As to attempting to 100% deduct business use of a car, the only airtight way to do this is to form an LLC or corporation and then have that LLC or corporation be the legal owner of the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babybambi08 View Post
    -computer & software ----- ---- how would you relate this to your business?? by using this site?? I just bought a computer and I was wondering..
    All ordinary and necessary business expenses are deductible. However, unless you use your computer totally in your business it is going to be a difficult deduction to sustain. If you deduct it, it goes as a miscellaneous expense on your schedule C. Under Section 179 computers can be expensed in the year you purchase them rather than depreciating it over time.

    Also, I am planning on buying a new car in about 2 months... If I keep my old car and use this one just for "business" traveling to out of town clubs, private parties. Would I be able to count that?? or half of it?? bc I would have my old car for my personal use..
    Generally yes. For auto expenses, having a second available auto for personal travel makes it much easier to deduct the costs of one car. Keep in mind there are some complicated depreciation rules that favor light trucks and SUVs. You may want to talk to your CPA about this before you make a purchase decision.

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    ^^ You can usually do a percentage write-off for computers;for a full write-off, though, it's really the same as cars and bank accounts - if you have one for personal and one for business, it's usually ok. Especially if you haven't played 1000 games of freecell.

    When it came to taxes for me, I worked it out this way (with advice, btw)

    - The club claims me for 50 a night, whether I make it or not, and WILL NOT let me claim lower (even if I'm negative)

    - I have to pay 10% off my gross income to the dj and they WILL count my money if they think that I'm doing less (firing offense)

    - mandatory minimum tipouts to staff/not "employees" though (or I can't work there again)

    Both clubs that I work at make me fill out multiple forms that say that I won't claim as an employee. Since they refuse to let me claim any less than just over minimum wage, I keep my own records. I prefer not to use my bank very much, because I've been asking to get cheques for a year, and I still haven't gotten them. Money orders for rent/bills are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than what they charge me for cashier's cheques.

    Because of mandatory minimum tipouts, I don't feel like I'm paying the housemom or dj or anyone else. Flat out, I'm paying the club. Bouncers get 15 min. for all 4 of them - 10 of that goes to the manager, who is one of the only ones who gets a salary. I mean, above min. tipout it's voluntary, but at the same time - it's not safe to tip the bouncers 1.25 a night.

    And I will completely vouch for that in court. After all, you get what you pay for.

    On my Schedule C, I filed almost 12,000 under fees, just over 880 under supplies/consumables for costumes/stage make-up/etc (all backed up by receipts and separate (diff. brand) make-up bags), 620 for business licenses, and I walked with ~23,000 after that.

    I paid 30%-ish just to be there. And it makes so fucking sick, it's ridiculous. I went into dancing to save money, not to drop almost an additional 1/3 of my money (after fees) on taxes. Gross income after business expenses (3 jobs) for last year was 28 gs. I paid ~7 gs to state and federal. And I reported every penny.

    I live frugally, pinch my pennies, but taxes damn near bankrupted me this year. I'm really, really afraid of how bad the next couple of years are going to be. I'm so incredibly happy to walk with 200 now; 6 years ago I wouldn't have felt like I had a decent night unless I was 500 plus.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    ^^^ well, by the letter of IRS law, since they are not 'employees' of the club, in order to legally claim the money paid out to the bouncers, dj and housemom you must issue them a 1099 (since they each received more than $600 in payments from you over the course of a year). Issuing them such 1099's requires that you know their real names, real addresses, and real SS#'s. In the absence of issuing such 1099's, from a legal standpoint your payments to them constitute non-deductible voluntary tips despite the fact that the club illegally 'requires' minimum tipouts be paid in order for you to continue working. In other words, the club's 'rule' does not carry the force of law thus does not make these tipouts legal business expenses which can be legitimately deducted in the absence of you issuing 1099's reporting the tip payments. However, since the manager is an 'employee' of the club, that tipout IS a legitimate business expense tax deduction.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Still though, doesn't it matter how they treat staff? If the club treats them (bouncers, house mom, valet) as "employees" even though the club says that they're "independent contractors" to avoid paying salaries/taxes, then I would assume that they would be designated as employees by the IRS.

    I pay my housefee to my house mom (an i.c.) and my manager fee as part of my required tip out to the bouncers (also i.c.s). It would seem that minimum tipouts are a required fee to me, just distributed among the "independent contractors" - that are really employees.

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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    It would seem that minimum tipouts are a required fee to me, just distributed among the "independent contractors" - that are really employees.
    You can certainly attempt to make that point to a Tax Judge. Logically speaking, you have a very strong point. But legally speaking, the fee 'requirement' imposed by the club is illegal ... thus your choice to tip these independent contractors is voluntary, and doesn't technically qualify as a legitimate business expense. Legally speaking, what matters is that these independent contractors don't receive a club paycheck.


    The club claims me for 50 a night, whether I make it or not, and WILL NOT let me claim lower (even if I'm negative)

    Since they refuse to let me claim any less than just over minimum wage, I keep my own records
    Obviously these club 'restrictions' to the reporting of actual earnings by dancers to the club are illegal as well. And worse, from a legal standpoint they place any dancer following these club 'restrictions' between a rock and a hard place. Technically speaking, if a 'statutory employee' dancer ( which certainly sounds like what you are despite whatever independent contractor disclaimers the club had you sign) is the person legally responsible for reporting her correct income to her 'employer's payroll system. Thus if you or the club are ever audited, and the club's record of your income does not match your own reported income, the IRS is bound to want to know why !


    The way this club runs their 'books', and the way this club coerces dancers to report their incomes, certainly sounds like an audit waiting to happen.
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    Default Re: What types of deductions can I claim when filing taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fionaver View Post
    Still though, doesn't it matter how they treat staff? If the club treats them (bouncers, house mom, valet) as "employees" even though the club says that they're "independent contractors" to avoid paying salaries/taxes, then I would assume that they would be designated as employees by the IRS.

    I pay my housefee to my house mom (an i.c.) and my manager fee as part of my required tip out to the bouncers (also i.c.s). It would seem that minimum tipouts are a required fee to me, just distributed among the "independent contractors" - that are really employees.
    Under the tax code as well as most states common law everyone working in a strip club is an employee except for the traveling dancers. They are just about the only people who normally can be classified as independent contractors. The way your club is treating people, I agree with Mel, is an open invitation to an audit.

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