This really makes me sad... and very scared to live in the city.
This really makes me sad... and very scared to live in the city.
I hope they elaborate on why she turned him in.... granted he had the weapons, but did she sit down with him and figure out why????
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I was thinking the same ^^^^^^
Knowing Toronto and that area of the city... kid is probably in a gang and the mother couldnt gain control over him, with the stuff going on in this city latley it wouldnt surprise me.
If I found a semi-automatic in my kid's room, I doubt I'd sit him down at the kitchen table for a heart-to-heart.
My mom had to a similar thing with my older brother. There are things I won't mention on a BBS, but he was pretty rotten in his teen years.
It's for the best. She probably saved his life.
Are you kidding me? I think I know what you're getting at, but still, if I found that in my child's room, we'd be having a big ol' discussion before I called him/her in.Originally Posted by smartcookie
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If the discussions didn't happen before it came to a kid possesing a weapon, it is too late now. That is like sitting a pregnent teenager down toiscuss the birds and the bees.
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Exactly. What's there to discuss? Columbine?Originally Posted by colleen
I will say this...if it was my kid there would be worse shit than the cops to worry about..I would kick his stupid ass before I had him arrested, no discussion about it
The article said she knew he was in trouble with the law before. Time for talking was over I guess.Originally Posted by smartcookie
maybe she turned him in because she felt there is nothing more she can say to him to make him listen. and obviously all her ways before didnt work.
her last ditched effort in hopes that the system would force him to behave , he would at least be safe ...and maybe finish school.
Which is what I think probably what happened. She simply felt she alone could do no more and sought help the only way she knew how. through Law enforcement.
and her confronting him ( if violent..which possessing a gun is a pretty good indication that he has these thoughts. ) she coulda ended up dead herself. God only knows why he had it and the thought of his planned foiled would send him over the edge.
I dont know about up north but here in the states at 17 you can be convicted as an adult.





Agreed, it's way past that. At some point a parent has to weigh the responsibilty to his child against the responsibilty to innocent people who may suffer from their child's actions-including other innocent children.Originally Posted by smartcookie



Damn, I am so going to try to restrain myself here. The facts are not all told. To buy a nasty ak47 kit with out firing pin that is COMPLETELY legal for anyone in the USA to cary(abeit in pieces), and I'm going to assume even canada because it's not a gun with out the firing pin, all it would take is a hundred bucks at a gun show. yes, even a kid can buy it if he looks old eanouph(not saying its right) as no checks are needed because a kit is NOT considerd by law in the US to be a gun.
Really an AK is no more scary(the bullets bigger, but it all does the same thing, just bigger holes) than a 22 with a clip.
I would have sent his ass to boot camp. Depending on the condition of the gun.
Why do guns equill violence? Why can't they also mean protection? If the army can carry it then I sure as hell should be able to cary it also. Why do people not take the time to understand all perspectives of carrying guns?
Wear was his father? Mabe his dad bought the gun. If the mom was saying I love you, that means she probably fucked up, and it was a kit.
When is she going to get the "help" she needs?
Susie
*shake my head in dissapointment*
I didn't want to stick my nose in this, but Susie, i don't know if you know, but here in Toronto there have ALREADY been shooting realted deaths in 2006! Guns are a big problem here..
And just remembering the good ol' high school days when the POPO came in to give speeches, in Canada, any gun is to be considered a real gun untill proven real or toy.
So even if this was a "kit" it would still be considered a gun, and besides, how do you know that after the apartment was searched they didn't find ammo and even other guns?
I'm with you blade. If it was my kid he'd wish the cops got to him before me.Originally Posted by Blade
But I think she did the right thing for her. I seen it on the news, and she is only a tiny aged women. Her son is bipolar. Confronting him alone with a gun in the house . Not really a good idea.
Also his mother heard him on the phone to his girlfriend fighting with her and saying he was going to get a big gun and shoot them all up.
You say psycho like it's a bad thing



I don't think I'd turn in my own son for that if he was 17, chances are, when he reaches that age, that he would have stolen it from my room to look cool. I use to have an AK-47, but sold it, plan to get one some day, a pre ban. All I have currently is a puny Ruger 10/22 rifle and a Ruger 9MM.
I grew up with guns, my father mad me a life member of the NRA when I was 1 month old. I don't know the whole story behind that kid's life, Maybe I'll say differently if my son reaches that age and has a gun, but I don't know, my first gun safety class was in the 2nd grade, and I plan to take my son in early for safety classes as well, but I guess it depends on how responsible he is at that age, i guess.



Oh, nuts. You know what they say about assholes. We all have oppinions![]()
"here in Toronto there have ALREADY been shooting realted deaths in 2006! Guns are a big problem here.."
Guns in the wrong hands always lead to a problem. So what type of guns were used statistically in the deaths? Besides, side subject, do you really think that violence and deaths will stop with the end of guns? Not at all. The world would have to be turned into padded room with every one living solitairily to end all violence. Shit happens, it's sad, and my heart goes out to the victems. Life can not stop because there are idiots.
You know, considering that statistically, every single american has two guns, were very peaceful. Thats because the owners are.
"And just remembering the good ol' high school days when the POPO came in to give speeches, in Canada, any gun is to be considered a real gun untill proven real or toy."
Yes, that is how it is here to. When some one is holding what appears to be a gun, pointed in your direction, it is considerd to be a dangerous weapon and is treated as such. I am very aware of guns and their propper uses, and misuse. POPO? You mean the DARE officer. How ironic to use that term.
"So even if this was a "kit" it would still be considered a gun*wrong they not only disasemble these guns, they saw certain parts of them literally in halph! No way can they be put together with out the right gunsmithing tools and extra parts, all that a kit is considerd to be is hunks of metal. He did not point it at any one his Mom found it. Hell, hes not even involved till proven, at least he wouldnt be here in the US *, and besides, how do you know that after the apartment was searched they didn't find ammo and even other guns?"
I don't know that, and I said as much. The facts are not all told. He could have bought it from a catalog just to see if it would come. Thats right, these kits come via mail order. You can even buy them piece by solitairy piece. I am sure though, that since the mom was searhing his room she would have found ammo and other guns and it would have made an even bigger stink.
I do not think that sending him to a detention/jail was a good idea. Teaches him nothing. He wants to learn about guns, send him to boot camp. He will not only learn proper care, but a respect for what he is curios about. If he was in anything bad, it will not only take take him away from it, but disipline it out of him. It will teach him to deal with his problems through strategy, not violence. Bootcamp would have been perfect for him.
You know, it was stated that on here that to get drugs go to an NA meeting, well its the same for jail, want more trouble, send a kid to detention/jail and help him find more bad friends.
I also think that guns do not equill violence, and they do not equill gangs, or an intent to do harm. Do some kids get their parents to buy BB guns to shoot birds? Yes. Some also want them just to shoot cans.
Wow, I just did a search on Canadas gun laws. How anal they are. Glad I live in the USA!
This is probably being given publicity to help keep the gun bans going.
Canadians not even aloud to cary pepper spray! WTF! but you are but only for bears.. sooo twisted. http://panda.com/canadaguns/#prohibited
Hey, if you want the law and schools raising your kids, you will have to live with it. There is a very fine line between freedom, and the pretence.
I would have handled it myself. His ass would have been in boot camp in a honey time to go to the mall car trip.
She wants Canada to raise her son, because she couldn't cut it. He needs to learn respect and disipline. Bootcamp would totally do it.
Glad I live in the USA.
Susie
She didn't seach his room it was on his pillow. she was takeing in his clean laundry.
Also this isn't about owning a gun. this is about a boy with a mental illness and a history of violence getting a gun after talking about shooting people.
You say psycho like it's a bad thing



I said I was an asshole because I knew I was getting off track .Originally Posted by Miss_Eliza
Since the mom heard that conversation, and then saw it on the pillow, I say good for her. Because of the intent. The article I saw didn't say that at all, and I couldnt find any other articles.
My kids will have guns, and know how to use them also. But not if they are mentally unstable, and none that are illegal. Preban, perhaps...
Susie
Yeah but your still cute!Originally Posted by susie
You say psycho like it's a bad thing
Thread cleaned. Keep it on topic and away from the USA vs. Canada arguments.
Interesting that you decide to leave her hostile / misinformed comments about Canada but delete my statistics.
I guess I might as well shut up and allow the soothingly incoherent NRA babble to lube up the slide into complete moronization.
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