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    Whenever I am on stage, I get tipped $1 from each customer after giving them 30 seconds of attention. $1 does not pay the parking meter. $1 does not cover the tolls. $1 is not enough to run the dryer. How can I encourage them to tip more? I'm aiming for $2.

    And, like, guys at the stage are such handsy perverts. They feel me up and assess my patience to be worth only a dollar.

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    Don't spend that much time with each customer, especially if the tip row is full. You want to spend a little time in front of each customer so that they don't feel ripped off when they tip you, but 30 seconds is definetely too long. If there are only a few guys at the stage, you can spend a little longer with them, but make sure you keep getting tips from them. When a guy puts a dollar behind one of his ears, I will often joke around and tell him he needs to put a dollar behind the other ear to even things out. Or if he is tipping into my g-string and puts the dollar on one side, I once again will joke around that things need to be evened out. I've never had a guy say no to putting one dollar on each side- just make sure you say it playfully and not in a demanding kind of way.

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    I dont know how you take your tip but i take mine in the side of my panties, after the first bill I hold the other side and they will add more. Since I started doing this I get almost double . I dont do it if I get a 5,10 or higher. Also at my club we have 8 stages and I get asked alot, when i get off stage can I dance for so and so. I forget who the guys are so i started saying, well I have a line(even if i don't) but a big tip will get you in the front and this has gotten me plenty of 20s and 50s and 1 time a 100 dollar bill. I always go to them first after my set, it helps me weed out the cheap guys too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadisonM
    Don't spend that much time with each customer, especially if the tip row is full. You want to spend a little time in front of each customer so that they don't feel ripped off when they tip you, but 30 seconds is definetely too long.
    I agree that 30 seconds is a long time in a 3-5 minute set. The custys are not allowed to touch us or stick bills in our panties while we are on stage, so I try my best to make eye contact and give them a little "bend over" move, but ONLY for guys who are tipping. However, we are allowed to put money in our own clothes. One girl I know will slide a bill into her bra cup seductively while making eye contact and then linger in front of him for a few seconds afterward. Sometimes they will give her another one so she can do it again.

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    Yes, 30 seconds is a long time. However, all the other dancers spend 30 seconds with each customer. If I spend 20 seconds, I didn't "earn" it and will not get the dollar. The only way I could cut time is to do the titty-in-the-face move, but that is sooo not me.

    Whether I like it or not, I have to spend about 30 seconds. It's a lot of work. I get exhausted. I deserve more than a $1. Sometimes, I ignore the audience and do a full blow striptease like a stripper should, but then they get shitty and it reflects poorly on me.

    The only solution to my problem is to receive more money for what I do on stage. How do I do that? The customers who spend hundreds on dances can afford to spend $2 on my stage show. (If someone spends hundreds on MY dances, I really don't care about the extra buck.)

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    Since stage shows vary it would be helpful to have some additional information in order to provide the best possible advice.

    A few quick questions which may help people best understand the conditions you're working under:

    1) How long is your average stage show? One song, 2 songs, 3 songs, 15 min, etc.

    2) Are you typically on stage alone or with other girls?

    3) When it's time for you do do stage shows do you perform the entire time on one stage or do you rotate around the club (ie one song on the main, then a song on a satellite, etc.)?

    4) How many guys can typically sit at the tip rail at your club?

    5) Do you work busy shifts, and is the tip rail usually full when you perform?

    6) Do you have enough time during your stage set to get to all the customers? You mentioned you spend an avg. of 30 sec with each customer. Does that give you enough time to get to all the customers, are there some you don't get to, or do you end up with extra time to spare?

    7) Contact is allowed with stage performers at your club? Do you primarily dance in front of the customer to get the tip or do you basically give a mini-lap dance (aka "cabaret") for each customer as you work down the line?

    How od you take your tips? Garter? G-string? Do you collect your money in your hand as you go? Do you toss it to the middle of the stage?

    Sorry for all the questions, but it will be helpful to know what conditions you are working under in order to get the best advice.

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    One tip is if you have a regular who is willing to tip more, have him come to the stage and be the first to tip you more than $1. Hopefully people will see it and follow suit.

    For example, when my fave dancer is on stage she does a four song set on the main stage. The first is in a dress, the second is topless, and the 3rd & 4th are undressed. She collects money to her garter and keeps it there till the end of her set. She's allowed to touch the customers, but the customers are not allowed to touch her. There really isn't much of a tip rail at this club, so if guys want to tip the stage dancer, they walk up to the stage. She may mix in some general stage dancing and pole work, but then she'll go to each individual customer as they approach and give a quick dance for their tip, usually about 10-15 sec then she'll hold out her garter for the tip. Most guys approach during the last two songs, so she usually gets to about 30 guys on average during a stage set. (She'll get to alot more guys during a busy Fri. night shift when they can't just wait for the last two songs to tip her.)

    When I go up to tip her, I walk up during her first song when she's dressed. This is when she's the least busy, since most guys wait till the dancers are undressed before they go up to tip. Since I go during the first song she usually spends anywhere from half the song to the whole song dancing for me. Of course this kind of personal attention does usually get noticed by the crowd. When I depart the first tip in her garter is usually $20.

    This tells the next guy that if he wants the same level of attention he better be ready to pony up, or not be disapointed when she asks for his $1 after just 10 sec. Also, often times there's an ego trip and the next guy sees the $20 in her garter and doesn't want to look cheap by only tipping her a $1.
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    When I was on stage and guys would only give me a dollar each, I used to look at them in a sweet/sexy way, bat my eyelashes, and say in my stripper voice "oh, but 1 is such a lonely number... (fake pout.) It works 9x out of 10.
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    The reason that a lot of guys see no reason to go more than a $1 is because they tend to find out after awhile that putting $2 or $5 on the rail isn't going to get them any better action than a single dollar is.

    I kind of wish dancers would work the way that they receive stage tips in a manner where the customer not only gets attention for tipping, but can get even greater attention (both quality and quantity wise) for tipping larger amounts. I don't know how "involved" you can get contact wise at the stage, but I see lots of girls do all sorts of fancy tricks (boobs in the face, etc.) to take their tips. They should save those fancy tricks for multiple dollar tips. and only let single dollar tippers stick it in the garter. This would encourage more multiple dollar tips.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    The only solution to my problem is to receive more money for what I do on stage. How do I do that? The customers who spend hundreds on dances can afford to spend $2 on my stage show. (If someone spends hundreds on MY dances, I really don't care about the extra buck.)
    Well, look at this another way. The customers who spend hundreds on YOUR dances can afford to spend $2 on other girls stage shows as well. Of course, if they actually give those other girls that $2 apiece, that would mean less money for you. As I stated in the "We need to tip more" thread in CC, guys who spend big money at clubs for the most part are marginally interested in stage shows at best, and when they are, they're usually watching a favorite dancer, or window shopping for a potential candidate to spend their big bills on.

    If a dancer makes a significant percentage of her nightly income from stage work, (say 25% or more) I can perhaps understand wanting to get more money while on stage, but if the bulk of your money is made selling private dances/VIP's, fretting over the difference of a dollar or two is more nerve than its worth. The best investment of your stage time is to use it as presentation for selling those dances afterwards, and to use that bird's eye view you get up there to scout the room for potential spenders. There's not that much difference between $1 and $2, but there's a hell of a difference between $1 and $20 (or more, sometimes way more).
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    Thirty or forty years ago a dollar tip might have been appropriate. Many customers still feel like they are doing something for a dancer when they tip $1. It is more than the ones that sit there for hours and do not tip anyone. My girlfriend will do a short show for whoever goes to tip her. If they tip more than just a dollar she will then extend the show a little. It shows encourages the next customer to tip extra as well. I have seen several people reach into their pocket and get more money when they see that she gives a longer version when the tip is higher. The tip is the way a customer shows appreciation for the dancer. If all the customer can afford is $1 then he should not be anywhere that they charge $5 for a bottle of beer.

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    I haven't been in a club in a litle while, but I always tipped $1 at the stage. It was a way to check out the dancer, how she looked, how she moved, if she was into it, and if she was sensual. If I liked what I saw, then I would ask her for a private dance when she was finished with her set. If the private dance was good, then I'd ask her to go to the VIP room.

    The clubs I went to would have the girls do a 3 song set where they'd make $25-$30. Then I'd spend $50 for a 3 song private dance, and $200 for 30 minutes in the VIP. $275 for 1 hour seems like pretty good money to me. And it all started with a few 20 seconds for $1 dances. The stage is for window shopping for most customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr

    The clubs I went to would have the girls do a 3 song set where they'd make $25-$30. Then I'd spend $50 for a 3 song private dance, and $200 for 30 minutes in the VIP. $275 for 1 hour seems like pretty good money to me. And it all started with a few 20 seconds for $1 dances. The stage is for window shopping for most customers.

    as an owner, you surely realize that she doesn't get to keep all that $275

    but I see your point...it's not about the extra dollar. The money is from what happens after you're on stage.

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    Is your stage show critical to getting dances later? If the answer is no, can you pay the DJ to keep you off the stage?

    $1 was a nice tip in 1986. Twenty years later, it's pitiful.

    Comparing the historical value of $1 in 1984 to 2004:

    $1.82 using the Consumer Price Index
    $1.61 using the GDP deflator
    $1.84 using the unskilled wage
    $2.40 using the GDP per capita
    $2.98 using the relative share of GDP

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    I think that Lizette might work in one of those clubs where there are so few dancers on shift that there is no way to be skipped. I've been in those clubs before; am in one now--however, up here in Portland they tip decently and don't expect titties in the face for a buck. They just toss the money on up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    as an owner, you surely realize that she doesn't get to keep all that $275

    but I see your point...it's not about the extra dollar. The money is from what happens after you're on stage.
    Yes, although my club is still in the planning stages and still need to get license approval.

    But from a customer perspective, spending $275 plus the $5 door charge and a couple of $5 beers in 1 hour is generous.

    I know that the dancers don't keep all the money and that fees vary, but the dancers that I know make 90% of their money off the stage.

    Out of curiosity, what is the standard percentage dancers give to the house?

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    The club I'm at is small (only 5-8 dancers each night) and on most nights, about 75% of my money comes from the stage and my tip walk, so it's important that I get as much as I can on stage. Like I said before, if they tip in the side of your t-bar, jokingly ask them to even it out and tip the other side also. Same for if they put a dollar in the side of their shirt collar or behind one ear. If you take tips between your boobs, ask if you can have one dollar for each, so that the other one doesn't feel left out (the guys always laugh or smile, and give me another dollar). If you take a tip between your boobs, after you take the tip you should stay in front of the guy for a few more seconds, and then hold open your t-bar, and they will tip you again. I haven't found a way to get them to tip me a 5 instead of a 1, but there are ways to get them to give you two 1s. Just be creative.

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    depends...

    about 25% for lap dances
    and about 30-50% for VIPs
    then the housefee on top of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    Out of curiosity, what is the standard percentage dancers give to the house?
    My club doesn't have VIP rooms, we just have private lap dance areas. A private dance is $20, and the dancer keeps half. We don't have any house fees or mandatory tip outs (we just pay $2 for music every time we go on stage). We make most of our money off the stage and our tip walk. My club has very low hustle, because hustling often doesn't work well in this area. This is more of a stage show club than a private dance club. I average about 5-10 private dances each night, and 5 seems about average for most girls here. There are a lot of girls who leave with no dances that night, which is also normal here. I find that when I hustle, I usually only get 3 or 4 more dances that night than if I don't hustle.

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    I'm on stage every 45 minutes. Stage time is about 15 minutes. It takes about 2 songs to wait for the next girl to get to the stage and fix myself up. All in all, I have 7 out of 12 songs available for hustling and dancing. I spend nearly half the night on stage. I could buy my way off for price of $600 (no joke) to the club. Or if I just want to skip a set, $100.

    Since I have 2 sides on my bottoms, I will try to have them "even it out." It sounds like a really cute way to encourage them to spend. Thanks!

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    I just thought of a few other things too....

    Does your SC have a lot of regulars? Mine does, so when I am not in VIP, I walk around for a few songs before my set and give a subtle heads-up to the regulars that I will be on stage. I ask them if they have any song requests. One guy said he would tip me $20 if I danced to his favorite song.
    Sometimes my regulars can set the mood for other guys to tip well if they see my guy throw a few 5, 10 or 20 bills on stage.
    Some sort of male ego-driven competition ensues.

    You can also go around after your set to the custys who gave you $1 and thank them for their tip. Sometimes they will give you more. This also opens up avenues for discussing LDs.
    If custys are not tipping at the rail, I lean over after my set and politely tell them it's rude to not tip and they will often cough up a few bucks out of guilt. Smile a lot, and thank them, explaining that you didn't want to be a bitch about it but it pisses off some of the other dancers when custys don't tip at the rail. I don't know why, but that works for me sometimes.
    I think a lot of these guys just don't know that $1 isn't much anymore. A lot of them are not trying to be cheap or rude. They are just clueless and/or drunk.
    I recently figured out that part of our job is to teach them instead of going backstage and bitching that we didn't make enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrb0
    Thirty or forty years ago a dollar tip might have been appropriate. Many customers still feel like they are doing something for a dancer when they tip $1.
    Thirty or forty years ago, there were no private dances in most clubs either. The dynamic of how money flows through a club has changed significantly since then. Which brings me to:

    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie
    $1 was a nice tip in 1986. Twenty years later, it's pitiful.

    Comparing the historical value of $1 in 1984 to 2004:

    $1.82 using the Consumer Price Index
    $1.61 using the GDP deflator
    $1.84 using the unskilled wage
    $2.40 using the GDP per capita
    $2.98 using the relative share of GDP
    Well inflation is one thing, but supply and demand are another. Suppose stage tips were apples, lap dances were oranges, and champagne rooms were bananas. If all a club had to offer were apples then yes, I think upping the price for an apple to compensate for inflation is justified. Once you give customers a choice and add the other fruits to the product line, demand for apples is going to go down, and if you want to keep selling apples, so must the price.

    A VCR cost more in 1984 than it does today despite inflation, because it was a less available and more exotic piece of technology then than it is now. Same goes for the stage tip at a strip club.

    I also don't think many of you got the gist of SCO's point here, particularly the part I've boldfaced:

    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    The clubs I went to would have the girls do a 3 song set where they'd make $25-$30. Then I'd spend $50 for a 3 song private dance, and $200 for 30 minutes in the VIP. $275 for 1 hour seems like pretty good money to me. And it all started with a few 20 seconds for $1 dances. The stage is for window shopping for most customers.
    In short, even the mightiest of oak trees started out as a acorn, and when presented with an acorn, you can plant it and watch it grow, or you can stomp on it. If the dancers who SCO eventually spent considerably higher sums of money on had gotten all snippy because they only got tipped a dollar at the rail, he perhaps would have never bought those dances and VIP's from them, esspecially if other girls he had tipped acted more graciously.

    Quote Originally Posted by hrb0
    The tip is the way a customer shows appreciation for the dancer.
    I disagree. In the above scenario, stage tips are a low cost way for a customer to sort the women from the girls.

    If all the customer can afford is $1 then he should not be anywhere that they charge $5 for a bottle of beer.
    Well, if they don't come in then nobody gets tipped, now do they? You neglect the fact that the customer would have to repeat this little $1 ritual several times a night.

    Say I come into a club with $300, intent of spending most of it on dances with a few favorite girls. If every gal I tip on stage to pass the time starts demanding $2, I know that stage tips are going to be eating up my tiproll twice as fast, therefore diverting my money from its intended purpose. In such a case, I may just consider it more economical make to stop tipping the stage period. I didn't come there to appreciate everyone after all.
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    When I go to the stage nowadays I tip $2 to $5 depending on the dancer and the club. If it's an LD club and I'm going to buy dances with her later I will just go up once during her stage set and tip maybe $5. If it's a no-contact Mass. club (where I live) I will end up tipping $10 dollars or so over the course of the set.

    Stage money can be the majority or the minority of a dancer's income depending where she works. I try to figure that in. In a no-LD club I will usually tip even the girls I don't like at east a few bucks if I am watching their set from the bar.

    The "each side of the g-string" or "one in the front, one in the back" usually gives guys the hint to loosen up the tip role and yes, 30 seconds is a long time to linger for a buck.
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    If any guy feels ripped off, no matter how short a stage dance he gets, is a waste of space. If a guy actually gets attitude with me over what I give him stageside for a measly $1, that's my cue to ignore him from now on. ugh. Ripped off for a dollar Please.

    I spend about 5 seconds in front of a guy tipping stageside, and if he offers $10 or more I will spend maybe 20 seconds. 30 seconds is entirely too much time for one guy at stage. Screw that!

    Do a little 5 second wiggle and hold out the side of your thong or garter for the tip. If they don't cough up right away, tell them to "hurry up and stick it in" If they want more time, do another little 3-5 second wiggle and hold out the other side of the thong/garter.

    If you want to try getting $2 out of every tipper, try holding out both sides of the thong/garter, one right after the other.

    I have walked away from more guys than I can count who copped attitude about the time I spend with them stageside. "Hello! There are other guys waiting and I don't have all fucken night!" Interestingly enough, my attitude about this has never hurt my income, but actually helped it.

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    ^^^ Yep, because the other guys are thinking, "Hurry up, you dick, there are other guys waiting and she doesn't have all fucking night!"

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    I guess I should add that I do this whether other girls are spending 30 seconds or not. I find that if I believe I'm worth it, it really doesn't matter what the other girls are doing. There are guys who will still like and tip me for what I do - because I do a good damn dance for the money.

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    What I've learned:

    1. Hold out both sides of my thong for tips.
    2. Spend less time no matter what the other girls do.
    3. Be snotty if they have to dig in their wallets, make me wait, and then ask for change for a $5.
    4. Have clever comebacks.
    5. If they still do not tip after said clever comebacks, move on and don't sweat it.

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