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    See

    http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/a...r/e_schro.html

    for some entertaining material on Schrodinger's equation, especially the Java Applets link. I bet they'll be surprised to see incoming traffic linking from SW. (Btw, for anyone who was traumatized by the other link I posted today, don't worry; this one is VERY different.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    I thought I knew something about that silly cat, too, til I tried to understand Murray Gell-Mann's take on it...
    I don't think poisoning little kitties locked in boxes is a suitable topic for delicate pink side sensitivities.

    ah, well. I think some people are SO smart that they actually feel excruciatingly uncomfortable in the world.
    Dick Feynman used to say "if quantum mechanics doesn't bother you, then you don't understand it".


    Clues, clues everywhere...makes me wonder if someone is trying to con me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docido
    Smart and nasty, it's an unbeatable combination. Oh and Nic's way with a sentence gives me wood.
    Yeah, well, don't make me pull out my chainsaw.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    My impression is that the reaction of highly intelligent people to formal education depends a lot on their particular psychology and personality.
    Exactly. Nic's also right about family attitudes and opportunity. I'd argue, though, that peer group pressure is immeasurably more important to shaping reaction to formal education than family influence. A radical notion, I know. I think psychology's "family prejudice" is just now coming under the proper intense scrutiny. More than a handful of studies are showing what we've all known intuitively and by experience: that peer pressure drives choices in the critical decision years.

    Nic mentioned the various intelligences, and she's right about that. We tend to think of intelligence as verbal and mathematical because of "IQ prejudice," but there are at least five recognized variations of human intelligence, from spatial-mechanical through musical and emotional. Formal education, unfortunately, tends to emphasize the verbal and mathematical and is more likely to reward, encourage and influence individuals with those specific gifts. It's short-sighted, narrow-minded and terribly unfortunate.

    Oh, and since Schrodinger's cat is just a thought experiment to illustrate a quantum-mechanical flouting of the Newtonian mindset (virtual cats before the virtual age, as it were), I think the sexy braniacs on pink (the only ones reading this right now) can certainly handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    And anyway, isn't the amount of dirty nasty raw animal sex you get inversely proportional to your level of education?
    Oh, my most beautiful girl, I hope to God not. For how else would you explain the two of us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    In fact, sometimes I think that the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to reject formal education...Does anyone agree?
    You'd get a much better correlation with stubborness, rebellion, original insight, creative instinct, and the pernicious influence of frustrated high school teachers with limited options, a recognition of their own limits and a terrible mean streak.

    Having said that, my own high school teachers literally saved my life. A topic for another thread, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Oh, my most beautiful girl, I hope to God not. For how else would you explain the two of us?

    Hey, I don't have anything beyond a HS diploma...That's how I explain it!
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    Family attitudes play a role too, as does access and opportunity...
    I smell a neo-Marxist theme entering the debate here...tread carefully, lest ye get my dander up about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Hey, I don't have anything beyond a HS diploma...That's how I explain it!

    If I may inquire,

    Any college at all?


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Oh, and since Schrodinger's cat is just a thought experiment to illustrate a quantum-mechanical flouting of the Newtonian mindset (virtual cats before the virtual age, as it were), I think the sexy braniacs on pink (the only ones reading this right now) can certainly handle it.
    If you think so, fine, but you tell them about thinking about poisoning little kitties locked in boxes with diabolical gadgets which end up producing cats that have used up half of one of their 9 lives. I already made one (quite smart) woman cry with that particular tale; I'm not going to repeat the mistake.

    However, before falling silent on this emotion laden topic, I would like to say that I think Gell-Mann is correct but missing the point in the quote Nic posted and know that some others, far more qualified than I to debate the matter, agree with me.

    -Ww

    PS - Perhap we should move the discussion here: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60566

    PPS - Or maybe: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60528
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Yeah, well, don't make me pull out my chainsaw.
    Oh, and since Schrodinger's cat is just a thought experiment to illustrate a quantum-mechanical flouting of the Newtonian mindset (virtual cats before the virtual age, as it were), I think the sexy braniacs on pink (the only ones reading this right now) can certainly handle it.
    I doubt it.

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    i know that i was sitting and talking once to these two guys, and one of them said something about physics...... well, the only physics that i know of are of the quantum type, so i started talking about that.

    homeboy and his buddy spent about 300 on me after that. they were shocked.

    i've never been so giddy about physics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Yeah, well, don't make me pull out my chainsaw.
    Now, now... Be nice, Baby.

    He didn't mean it, Docido.

    (Okay, maybe he did. But I appreciate the sentiment nevertheless. Nice signature line, btw. )
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    Hmmm - I couldn't answer the poll directly. I don't have a "requirement" that she is brilliant...although the smarter she is, the more intrigued I am....but it's not actually a deal breaker. Was I surprised? Nah....I meet all sorts of smart people. Some have college degrees...and some have GED's...likewise, I know people with PHD's who are dumb as a box o' rocks.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Guys,

    Were you surprised when you met your first highly intelligent stripper? What was the experience?

    I've certainly met dancers who inhabit the far ends of this spectrum in either direction. Do you prefer your strippers brilliant or dim? To be honest, I can see the charm in both extremes...
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
    -Humphrey Bogart

    "Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink."
    -Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
    "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
    -His reply

    "If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    If you think so, fine, but you tell them about thinking about poisoning little kitties locked in boxes with diabolical gadgets which end up producing cats that have used up half of one of their 9 lives. I already made one (quite smart) woman cry with that particular tale; I'm not going to repeat the mistake.
    Well, don't hold your tongue on my account. At New Year's Eve dinner, after everyone had told their stories about rescuing stray cats and opting to save their lives by employing costly cutting-edge feline surgery specialists, I regaled my companions with an account of how I'd watched a predator control technician on a Navy-owned island kill a feral cat that had been caught in a leg-hold trap by injecting adrenalin directly into its heart. A co-worker then cut off the cat's head because she wanted to bury it and add the skull to her collection when it had been stripped by the subterranean scavengers who specialize in such things. (SORRY!!! I'm a biologist!!! We forget, sometimes, that this sort of behavior isn't considered normal. )

    Needless to say, this story did not go over very well with my dining companions. I like cats; I really do...


    However, before falling silent on this emotion laden topic, I would like to say that I think Gell-Mann is correct but missing the point in the quote Nic posted and know that some others, far more qualified than I to debate the matter, agree with me.
    Ww, is he basically just saying that, in the "real world" (i.e., on the scale of everyday human-perceived objects), the cat really is either dead or alive, and not in that weird quantum state of being both (or neither) until the moment of observation?

    ...Or something like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Well, don't hold your tongue on my account. ... SORRY!!! I'm a biologist!!!
    Offending your sensibilities was not my worry, Nic. And I know what you mean about biologists. I once lived with group of people that included a tiny Malaysian woman with a cheery smurf-like disposition and voice who was at the time a grad student in biology. Everyone in the house soon learned to keep her off the topic of her work during dinner!

    Ww, is he basically just saying that, in the "real world" (i.e., on the scale of everyday human-perceived objects), the cat really is either dead or alive, and not in that weird quantum state of being both (or neither) until the moment of observation?
    My understanding, of which I am reasonably confident, is that he is pointing out that if you actually tried to perform the thought experiment in the real world it wouldn't work because no possible "box" would sufficiently isolate the poor kitty from various possible interactions with the outside world (gravitational ones at the very least) to allow the two basis quantum states (dead and alive) to remain superposed with equal probability amplitudes, due to the cat's size and mass (which put it in a quasi-classical limit). Rather, its wave function would soom be ALMOST entirely concentrated in one of the two possible states, even without any observation to "collapse the wave function". There has been a lot of work in this general area, often described as quantum non-demolition or quantunm decoherence, in recent decades...well after the classical discussions of the meaning of QM in the early years after its discovery (i.e., what you see in text books typically).

    Imo, as mentioned above, Gell-Mann is perfectly correct re the above (of course), but that it is irrelevant because the whole point of the thought experiment paradox was/is to emphasize the mysterious and counter-intuitive properties of QM. In principle, you could do such an experiment, for example in a hypothetical universe which was totally empty aside from the box and its mortality-ambiguous occupant. So, the paradox does illustrate an actual property of QM as a theory, whether or not you could do the experiment. Gell-Mann's answer also somewhat misses the point because it is not essential, at least imo, to the paradox that the prob amplitudes for dead vs alive be equal. Even if they decohere and one state becomes (overwhelmingly) the dominant one, there will still be a finite (but exponentially tiny) amplitude for the other.

    Sorry, but you did ask...

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    The charm and just the vibe someone puts out to me is what makes my experience enjoyable or not - the IQ high or low doesnt matter to me . As I watch naked chicks ( as it is stated here ) I think my IQ tends to fall many points as I cease from solving the worlds problems for the moment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    I smell a neo-Marxist theme entering the debate here...tread carefully, lest ye get my dander up about that.

    No one has to 'tread carefully'.... why should anyone care whether they 'get your dander up'?


    pffffffffft...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    No one has to 'tread carefully'.... why should anyone care whether they 'get your dander up'?


    pffffffffft...

    Apparently YOU never got his dander up.......


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    ^^I don't know or care. The suggestion that somone on this messageboard should curb their speech to avoid hurting some particular poster's delicate sensibilities is so lame that it deserved a smackdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    I smell a neo-Marxist theme entering the debate here...tread carefully, lest ye get my dander up about that.

    Nah, I was just thinking about the fact that if your family places a high value on formal education, you'll be more likely to pursue it, generally speaking. And if your family doesn't place a high value on it, you'll often have a tougher time pursuing it, even if you're motivated to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    Sorry, but you did ask...
    Thanks for the cogent explanation! You did a better job than Gell-Mann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Nah, I was just thinking about the fact that if your family places a high value on formal education, you'll be more likely to pursue it, generally speaking. And if your family doesn't place a high value on it, you'll often have a tougher time pursuing it, even if you're motivated to do so.

    To compliment this, I only went to college because of that reason. I dropped out because it just wasn't for me. At least I had a good average when I dropped out. My parents refused to acknowledge me as anything other than a colossal failure until I started doing well. Even still tho, its brought up with an unforgiving frequency.
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    I don't know or care. The suggestion that somone on this messageboard should curb their speech to avoid hurting some particular poster's delicate sensibilities is so lame that it deserved a smackdown.
    Save your pathetic platitudes for someone else. You don't get the inside joke, clearly. Moreover, this board is the equivalent of walking on eggshells as evidenced by the level of moderation on SW to protect ostensibly fragile dancer sensibilities from the less-pleasant aspects of controversial issues raised by some here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Save your pathetic platitudes for someone else.
    No.

    I'll say what I please, irrespective of whether it upsets you enough to cause you to throw out some flamebait insult. Indulge in your temper tantrum, by all means.

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    Now you got his dander up.

    Here's a dictionary.

    I'll check-in in a few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    In fact, sometimes I think that the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to reject formal education...Does anyone agree?
    I totally agree. I have learned soooo much more doing my own research and subscribing to a few good journals than I learned in four years at a state school. Which has me so uninspired to go to grad school...



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    ^ I can relate! Even though I've accumulated a respectable number of undergrad credits over the years, I still feel that the bulk of my knowledge comes from my efforts to self-educate during the years I've spent out of school--stripping, writing, reading good books and magazines and journals...road-tripping, travelling, hiking, taking photographs, watching wildlife....

    I'm ambivalent about formal education...There are aspects of it that I really enjoy, but it's kind of horrible in other ways. I've dropped out of degree programs twice, am now back for a third try, and I've got transcripts from five--count 'em, five--institutions of higher learning.

    Maybe it's that whole sex thing that's made me so dead-set on taking my sweet time to finish this damn degree!
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