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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    I'm ambivalent about formal education...There are aspects of it that I really enjoy, but it's kind of horrible in other ways. I've dropped out of degree programs twice, am now back for a third try, and I've got transcripts from five--count 'em, five--institutions of higher learning.
    LOL I'm on my sixth institution of higher learning, and now that I (almost) have a degree, I wish I hadn't spent the time/money on it. I wish I could have spend a few years as an apprentice to someone very very wise. I would have gotten so much more out of it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Nah, I was just thinking about the fact that if your family places a high value on formal education, you'll be more likely to pursue it, generally speaking. And if your family doesn't place a high value on it, you'll often have a tougher time pursuing it, even if you're motivated to do so.
    Yup, anyting less than a graduate degree was unacceptable to my parents. They kind of gave up on my brother and he may or may not get his undergrad, but he's taken a more entrepeneurial route. So did I actually, but they can't know about that, they are just happy to tell people who don't give a shit about their successful MBA daughter. Whatever makes them happy, its not necessary to break their hearts.

    I used to think I was oh so very intelligent, now I'm more acutely aware of how little I know and understand as time progresses.

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    I personally couldn't give a rat's ass less about formal learning, as I've learned far more in work settings than I ever did in school.

    Unfortunately, it is a necessary evil if I am to ever end up in my career of choice - family law, specializing in child advocacy.

    ~~McCain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    now I'm more acutely aware of how little I know and understand as time progresses.
    Imo, this attitude is indicative of a very great intelligence indeed:

    “In the pursuit of knowledge,
    Everyday something is gained.
    In the pursuit of the Tao,
    Everyday something is lost.”
    - Tao Te Ching


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    Well, one good thing about going to a really good school is that you can benefit from the experience of meeting and getting to know other smart people--I still miss that.

    But the drawback is that so many of them spent so much time in high school being nerds, that they have little idea of how to relate to other people.

    You might have the impression that I might fall into that category, if you read many of my posts--for I have been permanently afflicted with this damned academic writing style. It's hard to shake (obviously, lol). I wouldn't last 5 minutes in my club if I spoke in the same style as I write with here.

    But possibly the worst thing about a really good school is the abundance of what--for lack of a better term--I call 'super psuedo-intellectuals'. These are people who have never received any attention except when they can trot out their vast knowledge or power of logical reasoning. A normal person constantly trying to show off his intelligence is merely irritating and/or boring as hell--the kind of people I am talking about are literally intolerable.

    If you think I'm bad, these people would have you frantically digging in your handbag for that old can of pepper spray your ex gave you...
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    Formal education has very little to do with intelligence.

    Some very formally 'uneducated' people are very intelligent.

    Some very formally educated people are not very intelligent.

    Having said that, I believe if someone wants to learn and there is a lot to learn about our beautiful world, then it's best to get a formal education because it teaches you how to learn on your own. College education actually teaches very little in terms of actual content of knowledge--most people forget what they learn in college within 2 or 3 years out. And most of what is 'learned' in college is spoonfed by professors and therefore not many students remember all of it.

    A Master's degree teaches you how to become a good learner, but it's still doesn't get you there--but it's better than college. The time it takes to get a master's degree is only about 1 1/2 to 2 years if you're going full time. This time period is too short to actually learn how to truly learn.

    A Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) is where the whole thing comes together. You learn to learn on your own...your professors will not spoonfeed you, they tell you to go learn this stuff on your own and come back to talk about it when your're ready. Plus a Ph.D. takes approximately 5 years if you're going full time but it depends on the field. By the time you get out, you truly have become an independent scholar and a thinker. After getting a Ph.D. in one field, it is easier to pick up and become an expert at any other field just by putting in the time to learn it on your own...plus having your Ph.D. degree means that people will take you seriously when you gain expertise in a different field without actually having a degree in that field.

    Of course you need a college degree to even think about getting a master's or ph.d. So all those years of formal education starting with kindergarden and culminating in a ph.d. means you are one cool sonofabitch scholar. And nobody can take that away from you, ever. W00t!!

    Just my $0.02.

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    Hmm. I seem to be the only one here who really thinks there is something to a formal education. I mean, I take people as I find them - I would not simply decide someone is bright or not bright because they have/don't have a degree.

    One of the brightest women I ever met was a 22 year old stripper, tanned, hardbodied and siliconed with like half basketballs on her chest - and a high school drop out. She was also funny, and crazy and said things you don't expect to hear, and read more than I did - her favourite author was Salmon Rushdie. But I think that most people who have innate love of learning and knowledge seek out education (this particular woman didn't and said she wouldn't return to school at gunpoint. But I think that is exceptional), and seek out mentors (and really college is a good place to do that). And - again, I do not prejudge people, and I am willing to take them as I find them - I personally find more aware, more knowledgeable people on a campus than off (although this is a metaphorical campus right? I don't mean a literal, geographical college campus).
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    ^^^ I'm with you Jenny. Did you read my post?

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    without law school i'd be screwed for getting a job at the bar... so formal education is marginally helpful in this regard, although i truly believe it to be a formality. everyone knows you learn on the job...

    and besides, unless i can find the equivalent of "law & order: the tittie unit", i might be stuck for a gig.

    upside to formal education: it is a convenient period where people stop questioning what you are doing with your life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikin
    Formal education has very little to do with intelligence.

    Some very formally 'uneducated' people are very intelligent.

    Some very formally educated people are not very intelligent.

    ...And most of what is 'learned' in college is spoonfed by professors and therefore not many students remember all of it.
    True enough...

    However, the ratios tend to be very much in favor of people with formal education possessing greater intelligence.

    I have met some pretty stupid people who had college degrees, though not many (actually none I can think of at this precise moment--but I know I have, lol). And I have met a fair number of smart people without formal education.

    I doubt I have ever met a truly stupid person with a doctorate, though--unless you are defining "stupid" as being unable to utilize that education in attaining worthy achievements. It's not intelligence that really makes you money, for instance--it's without question being shrewd that does it.

    A really good school will not just spoon feed knowledge to its students, to be regurgitated properly and forgotten in a few years. It will 'train the brain', so to speak, and foster the development of an ability to analyze information and reach an understanding of underlying principles and patterns--hopefully to use that insight to advantage in some fashion.

    Thus the knowledge may indeed fade away, but the ability to process it remains.

    But this is growing tedious, lol--too much pedantic bullshit, by far.

    BTW, JayZeno, I think you are doing an excellent job in here, as well as FBR. I would never have the patience to do so well--though I like customers far more than most would ever realize from reading some of my posts (especially the older ones). Otherwise I'd be a rotten DJ, and my club would be declining, not improving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCain
    Unfortunately, it is a necessary evil if I am to ever end up in my career of choice - family law, specializing in child advocacy.
    McCain, I'm sure you already know this, but in most states you can be a Guardian Ad Litem without a law degree. I've volunteered as a court appointed special advocate for children who were dependents of the state for three years now, and if I wanted a job as a GAL or working for one of the programs that does educational advocacy I could probalby have it.



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    Even people with a lot of formal education often end up picking up a great deal of their knowledge and skills in informal ways, on the job, in the "real world" and so forth. Unsurprisingly, different modes of learning work better for different people and have different pros and cons. For students who find its style attractive or at least palatable (which, of course, is a big problem for some), formal education has the advantage of providing knowledge in a relatively organized and systematic way that is less likely to leave gaps or unbalanced grasps of a subject. But as Djoser pointed out, the goal of advanced formal education is less to give the student a body of knowledge than to teach him/her valuable intellectual skills - how to find information that one doesn't already have, how to problem solve, how to critically evaluate evidence and arguments and indeed how to systematically study a topic on one's own. As others have also noted, degrees amount to "union cards" in a lot of professions; without them you can't get the job you want even if you could do it perfectly well without the degreee. Overall, I'd say that formal and informal education are complementary and both very valuable.

    Finally, re the anti-correlation of degrees with hot sex, keep in mind that correlations don't imply causality!

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    I tried and dropped out of college twice back in the seventies. Do I regret it? On some levels yes but I wound up in an occupation that I enjoy, pays well, gives me occasional blocks of free time to enjoy strip clubs and other hobbies. Thirty years ago there was no degree program for what I do for a living. In fact there wasn't even a trade or vocational school for it.

    Most of the people I work with are college educated and are usually surprised when I tell them I never graduated. The fact that I'm 10 or 20 years older than a lot of them may have something to do with it (never underestimate the benefits of the college of hard knocks)

    I like people with lucid, open minds. Common sense and an awareness of reality are much more important to me than what degree you've got hanging on your wall. I'm not implying that common sense and higher education have to be mutually exclusive but you can't learn the former in any university degree program and without it, the latter is often useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    Imo, this attitude is indicative of a very great intelligence indeed:

    “In the pursuit of knowledge,
    Everyday something is gained.
    In the pursuit of the Tao,
    Everyday something is lost.”
    - Tao Te Ching


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    When harmonious relationships dissolve
    Then respect and devotion arise;
    When a nation falls to chaos
    Then loyalty and patriotism are born.


    One of my fave's from the Tao. I take my Lao Tze and something by Herman Hesse with me on most beach vacations for inspiration. That, and Jane and Cosmo mags too, lol!

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    I read about half the Hesse books a few years ago, Steppenwolf being my favorite. Never did get to Siddhartha, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    McCain, I'm sure you already know this, but in most states you can be a Guardian Ad Litem without a law degree. I've volunteered as a court appointed special advocate for children who were dependents of the state for three years now, and if I wanted a job as a GAL or working for one of the programs that does educational advocacy I could probalby have it.
    This is true for some states, but not all, and it doesn't seem to be applicable to Ontario. We have the Children's Aid Society here, but even that requires a formal degree in Social Work.

    Personally, I will be far more comfortable representing the legal and social interests of minors if I have a solid education in the apllicable laws... it gives a better understanding of what can and cannot be done to protect said interests.

    But... that's just me...

    It's definitely a field in which I have great interest, and Holy Bubba knows it would a far better (read: less dysfunctional) choice for me than social work.

    As a bit of a digression, you should email me sometime with some anecdotes regarding your work... I would love to know more about it from someone who has the experience.

    ~~McCain

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    Thanks for the tip, JZ...

    The movies almost always suck, compared to the book. Around here, no one has ever read the f*cking book, lol--so commenting that the book was better is likely to elicit a blank stare.
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