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    * As a disclaimer * I realize that when a male or female patron chooses to spend their hard earned cash on me, it is much appriciated and I take into account that this is what they are doing.
    However, those dancers and customers who think it's acceptable to "bargain" with the prices of dances are doing a great diservice to all parties involved.

    Why? First of all the club sets the prices for a reason. They know the market, and the clientele (or wanted clientele) and set prices accordingly.
    When someone chooses to 'bargain' down on set prices they are undermining the club, the tip-outs to DJ's, bartenders, housemoms and security.
    Let's say you should have made 300$, but do to "bargaining" you earn 225$...well the DJ, bartender and the club knows what you should have made...You then tip-out on the 225$ and looks like you as the dancer are undercutting the club!

    Now, as the customer. I take into account that you are spending hard earned monies on me...and in return I will provide wonderful, pleasant and delightful service. If you try to bargain with me you are devaluing me! I would not, let's say in a club that charges 10$ for a lap, try to "bargan" up by charging 20$.

    So the next time you desire to attend a strip club, remember if you cannot afford to do so , please wait...bide your time with a magazine, come to stripperweb/strip club junkie or rent many of the movies depicting the club environment.

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    OTOH - dances are $20 each... club is slow... NO ONE is making money so you decide to do some 2/$30s... lets see should I make $30 or $0. THIS is why some girls will do this. Most clubs I know dont let you undercut prices... but when its really slow they let the rule slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justine08
    Why? First of all the club sets the prices for a reason. They know the market, and the clientele (or wanted clientele) and set prices accordingly.
    I beg to differ on this point Justine (and some dancers in places like say Tucson might agree with me for a different reason), but I'll save that rant for another thread.

    Now, as the customer. I take into account that you are spending hard earned monies on me...and in return I will provide wonderful, pleasant and delightful service. If you try to bargan with me you are devaluing me! I would not, let's say in a club that charges 10$ for a lap, try to "bargan" up by charging 20$.
    I do believe there are some clubs (can't say that I've ever been to one) where it is okay to negotiate one way or the other. I've also seen commentary by a few gals on here that the club's "set price" is actually a set minimum price and that as contractors they are free to charge above that amount if they so choose.

    I will state that in 11 years of clubbing I have never once actively haggled over the price of dances. If they are too steep for me, I simply stay out of that club or resign myself to tipping the stage. Do realize though that even in fixed price clubs though, there is still "haggling" going on. Instead of a negotiation over numbers, it simply comes down to a question of yes or no over the number set, i.e. what I like to call "passive haggling".

    I truly think that in a lot of clubs, this number is not set at where it would be most optimal for maximum sales.
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    The reason no one is making money is because the guys have been conditioned to wait for the bargaining to begin! At least that's how I'd see it...they know if they hold out long enough you'll compromise!
    Doc, I have only worked in Indy...so I am speaking for my locale. I think keeping in accordanance with club policy will help everyone make CONSISTANT earnings. You teach people how to treat you, and for me they know that "I don't bargian!"
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    Just wondering.Do you find that you make less money than dancers that DO bargain?

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    If EVERYONE is doing $10 bargain dances even tho the 'set price' is $20 then youre actually now at a $10 dance club... may not seem fair (nothing is in this biz). If you dont like it you should probably dance somewhere else... find somewhere where people do dances for the set price and that way you dont find yourself getting frustrated and aggrevated.

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    I will occasionally bargain on dance prices, but that is because I quote dances higher than the club minimum.

    But the bargianing all depends on the atmosphere in the club at that given moment. If the club is dead and the customer that I am chatting with is interested in a two for one deal, I am likely to go ahead and accept the offer. If the club is busy I have no need to bargain on price.


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    This is a multi-faceted subject. The dancer needs to make money, and the customer needs to spend money wisely. I seldom bargain, but when I have, it has been to arrive at something mutually beneficial, such as increased business for the dancer but at a somewhat lower rate. The first time it happened, the dancer suggested it, because I was her best custy, and she wanted me to come in more often.

    The most recent case, with my ATF, I payed her tip-out for her, based on the standard rate. On a per dance basis, I was paying less, but she always made more money when I was there. My ATF liked it, and actually would have been willing to go a little lower than we decided on.

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    I've had so many dances, that i've lost count by now. Now, I've always paid whatever the asking price for dances is, but I have found with my faves that I get a somewhat longer dance than with girls who I've only had very few dances with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    ... there is a very important, fundamental even, difference between bargaining for a material product vs for a personal service. In the former case, you get exactly the same thing for the money you pay, so negotiating a lower price is definitely a plus for the customer. However, with a personal service, whether it is a mechanic working on your car (or whatever) or a lap dance, negotiating a price that the seller is not happy about can, and very often will, mean that you receive inferior service. In that case, the customer may be worse off in an important way even though paying less.
    A really excellent point, W! Take heed, bargain-basement laphounds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    A really excellent point, W!
    Thanks....but, uhmmm, could you please use both Ws (Ww), so that no one confuses me with that other W who has so very much to answer for.

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    Sorry, Ww! Actually, it's weird...I was just thinking to myself that it wasn't really cool to call you Dubya (even though I had NO idea of your political persuasions...but let's just say that based on your posts here, I like you about 10^25 times better than I like him. At least. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Sorry, Ww!
    No problem. I'll bet I have over 100 posts on various websites asking people to use Ww instead of just W. I long ago stopped taking offense. (Btw, I was using Ww well before W took the national stage, so I think the onus is on him to change his moniker, not me.)

    I like you about 10^25 times better than I like him. At least. )
    You leave me in agonizing suspense...since I suspect that the very big number you mention is getting multiplied by an impressively small number, so I still don't know if the product exceeds unity or not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    You leave me in agonizing suspense...since I suspect that the very big number you mention is getting multiplied by an impressively small number, so I still don't know if the product exceeds unity or not!

    -Ww
    'Tis true I have no love for the man...but he wins a few points for being an ex-cokehead, and he'd probably be okay to have at a backyard barbecue (hey, that's what we Americans look for in our leader, right? ), and I like the way he takes those mountain bike trails at the old Crawford Ranch, and...well...truth be told, his penchant for making a total ass of himself can be downright endearing at times....

    Given all this, I'd say the multiplier is significantly greater than 10^-25...So there's your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    what kind of clueless, cheap, slovenly twit tries to bargain down the price of dances?
    Although TOO's rhetoric is so restrained that it is hard to tell for sure how he feels about the topic ( ), I suspect that he might agree with an additional point along the lines of my previous comment about the difference between bargaining for material goods vs personal services, namely the greatly increased chance of giving offense when bargaining with a dancer (or other sex worker).

    Iow, when you bargain with a car salesman, you are implying that the vehicle he is selling is not worth the asked price, and when you bargain with a mechanic or attorney, you are implying that his/her professional abilities are not worth the nominal charge, but when you bargain with a dancer, the implication is that she is not attractive/sexy or erotically stimulating enough to justify her stated fee. Clearly these three examples lie along a continuum of being increasingly personal...coming closer and closer to implying that the seller herself, as a person, is not worth as much as she thinks. The chances of insulting her or hurting her feelings or making her feel degraded are thus very different if she is trying to sell you a used car than if she is offerring a lap dance. Like my previous point, this could hardly be more obvious; all I am saying is that a person's sexuality is more personal than their legal/mechanical skils which are in turn more personal than any material merchandise they might be marketing. However, there seem to be a remarkable number of guys who don't/can't see it (and they are very often the same guys who experience dancers as rude and hostile...wonder why).

    All that said, I am aware that there are cultures and places were it is considered rude and even insulting NOT to bargain...about essentially everything. I am not sure that I really understand the sentiment properly, but I think it is along the lines that not bargaining is rude because it is seen as arrogant and shameless boasting about one's personal wealth and perhaps as implying that the seller is so far "below" the buyer in status that the buyer is not willing to "lower" him/herself by negotiating. I don't think I have ever been in anything resembling a Western-style strip club in such a culture, but if they exist, perhaps bargaining with dancers is the thing to do there.

    Other than that, it is a real bad idea imo. Or put a bit differently, I think the only sensible way to bargain with dancers is to simply refrain from purchasing private dances if the stated cost is more than you can or want to pay. If enough customers agree and do the same, prices will eventually decrease via market pressure.

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    I have bargained a couple of times, but I try to make it really worth while for the dancer to do so. I'd never ask for a buy one get one deal, it's just too unfair to the dancer and makes me look cheap.

    Here's what I've done. I get a couple of dances, and if I like the dancer, ALOT. I'll suggest a deal of buy 5 for $100 and get one free, and if that goes well, we'll do it again. They come it pairs with good conversation inbetween, maybe a 3 song break. Then I use the savings to buy us drinks.

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    I like being generous in the club, part of the fun for me is spoiling the girls I like, so bargaining for a lower price is definitely out of the picture.

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    Ww--Great point in your second paragraph, reply #20! That is how I view it, personally. Though if someone were to try and bargain with me I see it as a bigger reflection on them than me directly; but, in being such a "personal service" AKA intimate service, undercutting the price imposed by the club (or dancer--as Doc catfish states happens somewhere) is rude imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justine08
    The reason no one is making money is because the guys have been conditioned to wait for the bargaining to begin! At least that's how I'd see it...they know if they hold out long enough you'll compromise
    I agree.

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    Bargaining seems counter-intuitive to me. I've found that paying the going rate for the service, and then adding a bit of an extra tip if the service was exceptional is the way to go. In the long run, I have a little less money, but have a lot more fun!

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    I think bargaining is tacky unless you are negotiating taking the dancer off rotation for a full evening (big bucks). OTOH, I dont see anything wrong with being cost conscious and taking advantage of 2-4-1's if the club offers them. At my club the dancers love them for the most part. Once you get the guy back there its pretty easy to turn a toofer into multiple full priced dances afterwards.

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    ^ Agreed.

    Bargaining is just plain tacky. Either she's worth the price or not. I remember one time at OGs how this Israeli chick was trying to push a price 50% over that of her peers; I didn't think she was worth it, so I went with the former Rockette, whose abs I can remember like she was right in front of me...pardon me while I get all nostalgic and verklempt.
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    I agree with CO's agreement of FBR.

    I think a problem is that a customer might fear that a dancer "might" not be worth the price. they are concerned about the return they want/expect for their money.

    To me, that plays into CO's comments. If in doubt, dont try it out. You will often not meet your expectations. One should really have a "No Thank You" mindset rather then a "haggling" one. Saves a lot of unneccessary stress (and SCs are supposed to relieve stress, not make it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    I'll give you a third option: "Don't talk her down - you won't like yourself."

    Seriously, what kind of clueless, cheap, slovenly twit tries to bargain down the price of dances? ...Tipping etiquette alone would almost totally invalidate the logic of bargain-hunting.

    Strip clubs are not flea markets, they are luxury purchases. There is an inverted curve on the luxury purchase market...
    I laughed like hell when I read this.

    And it is so true...

    If you guys could hear what I've heard in the dressing room or in the booth countless times about the guy they just gave a haggled dance to, you'd laugh too.

    I leave what the individual dancer's preferences are concerning haggling up to them--I'm just there to make sure they look good onstage, and get the guys into the idea of VIP. But in my own mind (in the unlikely event that I stopped to think about it), when I am occasionally required to do so by the manager, I am 'marking down' some of the coolest people I know, and that really sucks.

    In my architectural illustration business, this used to happen constantly. Being an artist of sorts, the 'guy looking to save a buck' client would often note my perceived youth, think about the "Starving Artists Sale!" in the newspaper that morning...

    ...and start haggling.

    Since like a dancer on a slow night I often needed the damned job, I would very frequently lower my price. Then I wised up. Thankfully, this did a lot to curb the growing resentment I was harboring towards these kind of people. I grew to understand them.

    Some people do this instinctively, and thus might be forgiven for resorting to habit and doing it in a club. But you still gotta laugh at them.
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    Suppose for instance, one SC is selling lap dances for $20, and another one is selling one for $15.
    A customer goes to the $20 SC and demands that he get lap dances for $15.
    What happens then? Why is it $5 higher at one SC? What makes the difference?

    Is it higher because you have prettier girls? Is it higher because the "quality" of the dance is much more intense?

    Basically, it comes down to the quesiton of how does a club determine the price.

    Is iit determined by market survey, or is it determined by arbitary whim.

    I have sold mine for as low as $10 and high as $40.

    I always gave the same dance regardless of the price.

    I would really like to know.
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