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    I went to do some field research yesterday to get some ideas for my club regarding layout and the way they were run.

    The club I went to had about 30 customers at the time, and 5 or 6 dancers. It was just before 5:00, and customers were starting to come in.

    There was no cover charge because it was before 5. The boucer at the door just said "your all set". He didn't ask if I had ever been there before or give me a rundown on the club. Lost opportunity there.

    I went and sat at the stage. It took almost 10 minutes for a waitress to approach me. She was "busy" sitting at the bar chatting with the bartender. Lost opportunity to get me a drink, and a chance that a customer was sitting by the stage without $1's to tip the dancers. She also didn't mention that there was food available.

    The girl on stage was decent looking. I put out a tip and she approached. She looked bored, and didn't interact with any of the customers, other than to dance a little and get the tips. I smiled and asked "Hi, how are you today.". She barely acknowledged that I spoke to her. She lost the chance to line up some private dances and make some real money.

    Three dancers were sitting together at the back end of the bar talking. About 6 or 7 guys were sitting in the private dance area without being approached by a dancer for the hour I was there. More lost opportunity. I have to believe that they each could have sold 1 or 2 dances in that hour. They'll never know because they never tried. Also, the DJ never mentioned that girls are available for private dances.

    Another dancer came on. Nice looking, and friendly. She smiled the whole time she was on, and interacted with the guys at the stage. From a dancing perspective, she didn't do anything different fromthe 2 girls before her, but she showed she had a great personality. And the guys noticed. More guys tipped her, and guys were putting up 2 or 3 dollars at a time rather than just a buck. She easily made 4 times what the other dancers did during their sets(I was counting). She also lined up at least 3 or 4 guys for private dances after her set. This girl did it the right way. I am surprised the others didn't notice.

    How I think this should have played out:
    I enter the club, the bouncer greets me and explains the club rules. A minor cover not so much to make money, but to break large bills so I'd have money to tip at the stage.
    The waitress comes right over to get my drink order, again checking to see if I need change for a bigger bill. She mentions menu in case I anm hungry.
    The dancers interacting more with the guys near the stage. Get them spending, and lining up private dances.
    The DJ announcing that the girl is available for private dances at the end of her set.
    Employees not talking with each other, and interacting with the customers instead. It's a sales environment. Employees sell to customers, not to each other. Dancers should be working the club.
    Bouncer inquiring to customers on the way out if they enjoyed themselves and asking them to come back again.

    I am sure most of these dancers went home and complained about how little they made on their shift. But it wasn't that the customers weren't cheap, it's that mismanagement and laziness lost a lot of opportunity.

    I wonder how many dancers here are working at a club that isn't helping them to maximize their earnings? Is your club like the one I described?

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    I go into work to make money. I personally dont' enjoy being there so I don't waste my time chit chatting with the dancers. I have seen clubs like the one that you have described and frankly, I try to be that one dancer that engages the men in conversation and lap dances..
    I wouldn't blame management for any of this, it's dancers and servers that don't care enough about thier job to actually do it right.
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    stripclubowner, that perky girl could have just arrived onshift, while the others have been there for hours and already tried to hustle those guys. maybe those guys already got dances from those other girls, or simply wouldn't buy. you'd have to visit several clubs for at least 4 hours in a row to get a true feel for whether girls are lazy or simply exhausted from having to be the only 2 girls for the first three hours of dayshift.

    i do agree that djs should announce private dance availability for every girl, though. and yes, the waitress was lazy. she should always cover her customers before chatting with other staff.

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    I prefer to work at a club like this then one where everyone is on their game. More money for me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    There was no cover charge because it was before 5. The boucer at the door just said "your all set". He didn't ask if I had ever been there before or give me a rundown on the club. Lost opportunity there.

    I went and sat at the stage. It took almost 10 minutes for a waitress to approach me. She was "busy" sitting at the bar chatting with the bartender. Lost opportunity to get me a drink, and a chance that a customer was sitting by the stage without $1's to tip the dancers. She also didn't mention that there was food available.

    The girl on stage was decent looking. I put out a tip and she approached. She looked bored, and didn't interact with any of the customers, other than to dance a little and get the tips. I smiled and asked "Hi, how are you today.". She barely acknowledged that I spoke to her. She lost the chance to line up some private dances and make some real money.

    Three dancers were sitting together at the back end of the bar talking. About 6 or 7 guys were sitting in the private dance area without being approached by a dancer for the hour I was there. More lost opportunity. I have to believe that they each could have sold 1 or 2 dances in that hour. They'll never know because they never tried. Also, the DJ never mentioned that girls are available for private dances.

    Another dancer came on. Nice looking, and friendly. She smiled the whole time she was on, and interacted with the guys at the stage. From a dancing perspective, she didn't do anything different fromthe 2 girls before her, but she showed she had a great personality. And the guys noticed. More guys tipped her, and guys were putting up 2 or 3 dollars at a time rather than just a buck. She easily made 4 times what the other dancers did during their sets(I was counting). She also lined up at least 3 or 4 guys for private dances after her set. This girl did it the right way. I am surprised the others didn't notice.
    I have yet to see a club that didn't have at least one, if not all, of these annoyances going on, and it bewilders me how everyone in that environment (except for the few folks who "get it") cannot comprehend how this lack of professionalism hurts their bottom line in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    stripclubowner, that perky girl could have just arrived onshift, while the others have been there for hours and already tried to hustle those guys. maybe those guys already got dances from those other girls, or simply wouldn't buy. you'd have to visit several clubs for at least 4 hours in a row to get a true feel for whether girls are lazy or simply exhausted from having to be the only 2 girls for the first three hours of dayshift.

    i do agree that djs should announce private dance availability for every girl, though. and yes, the waitress was lazy. she should always cover her customers before chatting with other staff.
    True, the perky dancer could have been just starting her shift while the other girls could have been tired. However, "Basic Sales 101" says that while you are approaching a customer for the hundredth time, your potential customer is being approached for the first time. The sales pitch always needs to be fresh.

    And several of the guys in the private area came in behind me. Nobody approached them. Even if they had been there a while, maybe they were now ready for a dance. If they were hesitant, maybe it was time to entice them with a dance special.

    I am approaching this strictly from a sales perspective, as this was a sales force similar to any showroom environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    I prefer to work at a club like this then one where everyone is on their game. More money for me.
    To a certain extent this is true, (you can be the one dancer who actually makes money) but I think at a club with a lot of hot, hustling dancers the customers expect to spend more money and ultimately your earning potential is higher there.

    I hate lazy staff too and will go harass the waitresses if I go over to a customer who's been sitting without a drink for a while. That is a huge no-no. As far as the rules go, dancers are usually more than happy to explain them. At the door you can simply ask, "Have you been here before?" and if he hasn't, just say, "If you have any questions we'll be happy to help you."

    DJs should routinely mention dances just because it helps push them. Just as long as they do so tastefully. I have heard "There goes Tonya, get that ass in your lap" and also "There goes Lily, now available for private dances," which I personally would rather hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    I am approaching this strictly from a sales perspective, as this was a sales force similar to any showroom environment.

    This is one of the exact scenarios that got me into this industry. I literally have seen this situation played out hundreds of times in clubs throughout the country. Stripping is sales and that's the bottom line. Do a little research SCO about the Pareto Principle sometime on the net (sometimes referred to as the 80/20 Rule). Without going into a long explanation on its origins, it means that in any business or selling environment, 80% of your income comes from 20% of your resources and the remaining 20% of your income stems from the last 80% of your resources. This is true in auto dealerships, real estate agencies, and without question, strip clubs. Every club I've been into, without exception, follows this rule...that 20% of the dancers are making 80% of the income. It's true in tiny clubs like Secrets in Baton Rouge and it's true in huge clubs like Sapphire in Las Vegas.

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    ah, but these women have to perform physically demanding work in the process of selling. dancer bodies get exhausted a lot quicker in the process of selling than suitcoat salespeoples', you know? and that is a factor especially on slow shifts with a huge amount of required stage time, such as the shift you rolled in late for.

    i seriously don't dispute that plenty of dancers are lazy, but a lot of times it's simple exhaustion that isn't readily overcome when there are few dancers and a bunch of required stage sets. that can leave dancers too tired to approach many customers. and that is a problem the club can fix but often chooses not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    ah, but these women have to perform physically demanding work in the process of selling. dancer bodies get exhausted a lot quicker in the process of selling than suitcoat salespeoples', you know? and that is a factor especially on slow shifts with a huge amount of required stage time, such as the shift you rolled in late for.

    i seriously don't dispute that plenty of dancers are lazy, but a lot of times it's simple exhaustion that isn't readily overcome when there are few dancers and a bunch of required stage sets. that can leave dancers too tired to approach many customers. and that is a problem the club can fix but often chooses not to.
    I agree that a lot of the problem appeared to be management. I listed mismanagement as the main cause. But there were at least 4 dancers working the shift, so they were doing a 4 song set with roughly an hour in between sets, so they shouldn't have been that tired.

    I would think that they were more discouraged than tired, and doing even 3 or 4 table dances and making $60-$80 in between sets would have energized them.

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    4 songs is 12-25 minutes of stage time. that is excessive. and only an hour between sets? yes, that is a recipe for both physical and mental strain. also, only 4-5 girls means 'old girls'. a lot of customers have seen the same few dancers up multiple times. that never spells money for anyone. a girl can be as perky as anything, but when guys see you for the sixth time in 5 hours, they just aren't interested any longer. even on slow shifts, there really should be enough girls that every dancer can have AT LEAST 90-120 minutes to hustle dances between stage shows. that retains newness for the girls so that they can make money and keeps the customers from not buying 'because you'll just be back on stage in another 20 mins'.

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    Many girls who are dancers nowadays I really feel aren't cut out for this business, they just got in it for "easy" money. They are uncomfortable talking to strange men, and since the club mgmt gives them no direction, are lost bodies.

    I have been in several clubs like this over the past few weeks. It is hard for a good floor worker to prosper in that environment because customers go with the flow, and if the guys are hardly getting approached by the dancers and very few dances are being sold, most of the customers don't want to be the only ones getting dances. I declined to apply in these clubs because if a club lacks momentum on the floor, money is hard to make.

    I chose to work at a club where guys were being approached constantly by virtually all girls on shift. Every song had about 4-6 dances going on. Guys buy where they see other guys buying.

    The club you were in reminds me of the small town clubs I work in but with about twice as many customers. The clubowners in small clubs are afraid of an "air stage" so they require us to do 15 minute sets. These owners feel guys will walk out if no one is on stage, but if the dancers are working the floor, break songs can help us, and keep the guys in the club rather than bore the guys with the same girl on stage too long. 2 song sets are long enough in my opinion.

    A good DJ is one that sees when guys aren't buying dances and who pushes and makes them feel obligated to do so. Girls who don't approach the guys and try to sell need to be told what to say and monitored by mgmt, not allowed to hide in the corner.

    Some clubs are better selling environments than others, but, in my opinion per the 80-20 rule, 80% of clubs are NOT run with the momentum needed for money to constantly flow to the dancers.

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    Stripclub owner, can I come work for you? roflmao I really dislike the lazy boring girls because it rubs off on the customers and myself after awhile. I love clubs and dancers with the party attitude. When everyone is having fun everyone is making money. When everyone is bored and acts bored customers leave. I need another fun club, boring clubs and girls are dragging me down. I dance for the money like everyone else does but I also dance because its fun. I love dancing. If I dont make as much as I did the night before or no money at all I really dont care( well I care enough to pay the house fees) I'm having fun and I dont wanna grow up until its time to pay the bills. (Trust me I more than enough)

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    The scenario sounds all too familiar. I don't realistically think you are ever going to get bouncers to give a club tour to every customer who walks in. I'd settle for a polite hello. The waitress should be the one making a beeline for your table to get you a drink and get you singles for stage tipping. IMHO the weakest link in most of the clubs I go to is the waitress service. There is absolutely no excuse for having to wait for a drink when you are in an establishment that makes the vast majority of its revenue from drink sales. It's just plain stupid. What's even more annoying is when the waitress ignores you until a dancer sits down and then comes over within 20 seconds to try and get you to buy the dancer a drink. Solve this problem (good luck) and I will be a customer in your new club for life.

    As far as unenthusiastic dancers...This is tough. If a girl hears "no" enough time in a shift she will often give up. It is a sales oriented business to be sure but you have to remember these women look at it as selling their looks and personalities. Being turned down = personal rejection - more so than selling cars, insurance or whatever. It's tough to bounce back from that time after time on a slow afternoon. My favs all tend to be pretty good at hustling and putting on a happy face but I've seen all of them have bad days when all they wanted to do was sit with me and bitch- it happens.

    I'm not trying to be the voice of negativity here but there are certain realities to this industry that training, sales techniques and Idealism will never overcome. You are dealing with women who, for the most part, would rather be doing something else for a living. This doesn't mean they won't come in every day looking to bank but even your best dancers will have bad days. Sometimes all it takes is one A-hole customer to ruin a ladies day.

    All of the management techniques and principles that I have heard you mention in your posts are important but remembering that you are dealing with human beings-and their sometimes fragile egos is important as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    IMHO the weakest link in most of the clubs I go to is the waitress service. There is absolutely no excuse for having to wait for a drink when you are in an establishment that makes the vast majority of its revenue from drink sales. It's just plain stupid.
    Definitely true at my current club. Service is amazingly bad and it hurts business. I've seen customers walk out because they couldn't get their drink order taken, or because their food never came. Waitresses are working their own hustle, and they go back to the tables where customers are flirting with them and likely to give them a big tip. Our waitresses will hang out with customers, flirt, sit on their laps -- it's almost like they are in direct competition with us. Some have their own "regulars" who never buy dances, just come in to see the waitresses. Meanwhile, customers who are there to have a few drinks and buy dances from dancers get ignored. Such a lousy way to run a business! I wish management would do something, but the waitresses have more clout with management than the dancers do.

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    Wow, lots of good points here. In SCO's example I think what he encountered was a few different factors:

    1. Day shift is always slower. Inertia takes over even the best sales people, and once a customer finally does show up, it is very difficult to change gears, especially if you are a new face in that bar (non regular).
    2. If the customers were already sitting in the private dance area, then they probably just got finnished with their private dances.
    3. If there were only 5 dancers working (and probably had been working since 11am), they were probably very tired. Have you ever even tried to walk around in 6" heels for a few hours? Try dancing in them, and between stage sets doing lap dances. This job is hard physical labor, and 8 hours of hard labor is tiring for even the most fit among us.
    4. As far as the waitresses go, it is really difficult to find girls who want that job. If the girls are comfortable enough in the skimpy outfits, have out going personalities, and are good hustlers, they quickly leave the waitress gig behind and start stripping. A good waitress who would never consider stripping, would never consider working in a strip club in any capaicty.
    5. the bouncer at the front door was probably just that- a bouncer, not a door host. A door host/ hostess would not be on shift until later in the evening after the club starts charging a cover.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    Another dancer came on. Nice looking, and friendly. She smiled the whole time she was on, and interacted with the guys at the stage. From a dancing perspective, she didn't do anything different fromthe 2 girls before her, but she showed she had a great personality. And the guys noticed. More guys tipped her, and guys were putting up 2 or 3 dollars at a time rather than just a buck. She easily made 4 times what the other dancers did during their sets(I was counting). She also lined up at least 3 or 4 guys for private dances after her set. This girl did it the right way. I am surprised the others didn't notice.
    The only thing the other girls likely notice is that she makes more money than them and probably accuse her of doing extras. Most lazy strippers don't/can't/won't notice that the way a girl like that makes her money is by being friendly, putting on a show, and actually trying to sell rather than just hanging at the bar waiting for someone to throw money at them.

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    Every manager... Even IF the other club is doing 5x more in sales - will be critical of other clubs. That's just the way it is.

    And every manager in history thinks she/he runs a tighter operation than the next club and that somehow, their registers are ringing by fluke or theivory. That's just the way it is.

    Fact is, when a club reaches the 'established' mark, they tend to relax a little from that initial 5 years of blood sweat and tears.

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    Many girls who are dancers nowadays I really feel aren't cut out for this business, they just got in it for "easy" money. They are uncomfortable talking to strange men, and since the club mgmt gives them no direction, are lost bodies.

    I have been in several clubs like this over the past few weeks. It is hard for a good floor worker to prosper in that environment because customers go with the flow, and if the guys are hardly getting approached by the dancers and very few dances are being sold, most of the customers don't want to be the only ones getting dances. I declined to apply in these clubs because if a club lacks momentum on the floor, money is hard to make.

    I chose to work at a club where guys were being approached constantly by virtually all girls on shift. Every song had about 4-6 dances going on. Guys buy where they see other guys buying.

    The club you were in reminds me of the small town clubs I work in but with about twice as many customers. The clubowners in small clubs are afraid of an "air stage" so they require us to do 15 minute sets. These owners feel guys will walk out if no one is on stage, but if the dancers are working the floor, break songs can help us, and keep the guys in the club rather than bore the guys with the same girl on stage too long. 2 song sets are long enough in my opinion.

    A good DJ is one that sees when guys aren't buying dances and who pushes and makes them feel obligated to do so. Girls who don't approach the guys and try to sell need to be told what to say and monitored by mgmt, not allowed to hide in the corner.

    Some clubs are better selling environments than others, but, in my opinion per the 80-20 rule, 80% of clubs are NOT run with the momentum needed for money to constantly flow to the dancers.
    I didn't see this before. Excellent points.

    I have a particular problem with owners/mgrs who think we have to have a full stage at all times too. When it's slower and there are fewer girls on shift, ferfucksake, give a break song now and then to spread out the rotation a bit more. Guys get bored after seeing the same girls on stage once or twice and leave. If we're having to go on stage for 2-4 songs every hour that's entirely too much. Not enough time to recover, freshen and work the floor. I can't tell you how many times I got called to stage JUST when I was about to FINALLY get a dance in a club like this, and subsequently lost the dance to another dancer. Not much of a motivator there.

    Furthermore, as Tina said, if girls are allowed more time offstage we have more time to work the floor and actually keep the customers entertained and in the club. 90% of customers don't really give a rat's ass about the stage anyway - it's all about the lapdances.

    Finally, SCO, you obviously have no idea how tiring it is to go onstage several times a shift. 4 songs every hour??? No wonder the girls were being "lazy". Maybe you should give it a try and see if you manage to stay fresh and friendly for a full shift.

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    The waitresses don't care about bringing you ones for the dancers because they don't want to see tons more money lavished on the dancers. They want to make the same money without enduring the same physical and verbal assaults. I've asked them to come for change and for a custies drink/food order and been ignored or given an angry glare. Managers think dancers are only in it for themselves and often treat us as visitors in their workplace. They don't know it's the waitress who's only in it for herself. She gets paid for working individual custies not increasing the volume of guys who come to the club. If she's a fast efficient waitress she's working a five star restaurant or hotel or a big tourist club/restaurant. In those places you're paid a better hourly and have sweeet benefits and management training.... She would not work in a gentlemans club where she's nearly wallpaper to many guys, has no benefits, tuition reimbusement etc.

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    Oh and one more thing... This is why dancers want owners to run the business on the up and up, by corporate standards. If you hire a real hospitality school trained manager they help create a mission statement for your business and implement it by creating and training a team that works together for everybody's good. Everybody makes more money from increased traffic and a larger pool of high rollers. Even in a tiny bar, a good manager helps create, convey, and maintain your standards. Instead of having an opportunistic, bottom-feeding club that feeds on and perpetuates dysfunction, you have a club that protects the owner and ALL employees physically and finacially. From throwing out abusive customers and employees to training waitresses and hosts to sell and upsell for you. You won't need to pimp dancers with endlessly rising house fees. My rant for the day is done .

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    Oh and one more thing... This is why dancers want owners to run the business on the up and up, by corporate standards. If you hire a real hospitality school trained manager they help create a mission statement for your business and implement it by creating and training a team that works together for everybody's good. Everybody makes more money from increased traffic and a larger pool of high rollers. Even in a tiny bar, a good manager helps create, convey, and maintain your standards. Instead of having an opportunistic, bottom-feeding club that feeds on and perpetuates dysfunction, you have a club that protects the owner and ALL employees physically and finacially. From throwing out abusive customers and employees to training waitresses and hosts to sell and upsell for you. You won't need to pimp dancers with endlessly rising house fees. My rant for the day is done .
    My family ran some very successful restaurants, including one that had a 5-star rating at one point. From a management perspective, I am approaching this as a restaurant/night club that happens to have a different form of live entertainment. So it will be professionally run with corporate standards and profit margins. Everyone will be trained on club policy and service standards. The host at the door will explain the rules to customers, the waitresses will have standards on how quickly they must get to customers, bartenders will have to fill orders promptly, managers must be hands-on and help in the areas that are busy, etc...every position will have standards that must be adheared to. Bouncers will help sell dances by asking customers if they would like to have them send a dancer over, and DJs will push private dances by announcing that they are available and by running specials if the club is extremely slow in terms of dance activities.

    Employees will not hang out talking with each other while customers sit there unattended. Dancers that prefer to sit there chatting while customers wait and can't get dances will not get to work the best shifts. When everyone is hustling, from management to staff to dancers, the atmosphere is livelier and everyone makes more money. My role is to provide the facility, the customers, and the system, the employees roles are to maximize the amount of money that each customer spends. Employees are the sales force. Sales can only be made with customer interaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I didn't see this before. Excellent points.
    Finally, SCO, you obviously have no idea how tiring it is to go onstage several times a shift. 4 songs every hour??? No wonder the girls were being "lazy". Maybe you should give it a try and see if you manage to stay fresh and friendly for a full shift.
    I've got to chime in right here with a slightly dissenting viewpoint. At one of my clubs, it tends to be 3 songs off 3 songs on for FOUR-FIVE hours. At the other club it's either 2 songs on 6 songs off or 3 songs on 6 songs off, with the occasional understaffed night of 4 songs on 4 songs off. Several of the girls I know work at another club in which each 4 hour shift only has one-two girls at any point, even on a Saturday night; and yes, they do just dance until they'd like a break. I make a decent amount of money, while staying firmly within my comfort zone. It's a completely different culture (we wear different outfits for every set if we so choose [as opposed to one trusty gown]), but one that does exist. His belief that some clubs can function this way and still have happy girls is pretty odd but plausible.

    (I've got to say -- dancing is all the exercise I ever need! No extracurricular trips to the gym, except to use the sauna.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    The waitresses don't care about bringing you ones for the dancers because they don't want to see tons more money lavished on the dancers. They want to make the same money without enduring the same physical and verbal assaults. I've asked them to come for change and for a custies drink/food order and been ignored or given an angry glare. Managers think dancers are only in it for themselves and often treat us as visitors in their workplace. They don't know it's the waitress who's only in it for herself. She gets paid for working individual custies not increasing the volume of guys who come to the club. If she's a fast efficient waitress she's working a five star restaurant or hotel or a big tourist club/restaurant. In those places you're paid a better hourly and have sweeet benefits and management training.... She would not work in a gentlemans club where she's nearly wallpaper to many guys, has no benefits, tuition reimbusement etc.
    Not so, the waitress at the club I work at ( well the good ones) KNOW how to make change to get a tip. That includes ones, any stripper worthy KNOWS as well to take care of the waitress. Again, I stress the phrase before used - The good ones and the ones that are worthy. Plus it cheeses me off to no end when the waitress asks ME if I want a drink. Well yeah? If he ( the guy I'm sitting with ) is going to get me one - also the bartender who just kind of drifts on by after getting the guy I'm sitting with his drink of choice. HEY! What about me, I'd like something to you weenie. Christ.

    You have valid points. plus you should also not lump those of us that do know what we are doing and treat this as a job in the same category as those your speaking of. It would be like
    lumping all custies in the cheapass/octopus hands/jizzing on himself file.

    I know not all are like that. It's simply an example.
    My two cents worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrpClbOwnr
    The host at the door will explain the rules to customers...,.
    And most of them will leave as soon as your host is done telling them what the rules are.

    "The rules" will make it very difficult for your ladies to sell private dances. Management and the dancers need to know what the rules are, the customers don't. Let the ladies do their thing and control the situation on a one to one basis. Girls don't want to be dirty dancers but a sales pitch from a lovely lady will be a lot more effective than a door guy making his "OK, no touching the girls" speech.
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