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    Thumbs down I am so glad that I'm not in high school anymore

    The zero tolerance police are at it again. Nowadays you don't even need a breaded chicken finger to get expelled, just your own initials.


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    Default Re: I am so glad that I'm not in high school anymore

    That is craze I don't know how they can legally do that.If that was my son I would definittely get legal advice.That could potentially ruin his life.

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    Default Re: I am so glad that I'm not in high school anymore

    Good grief! Seems like they're just trying to get rid of a troublemaker- I guess they can do what they want, though. :/

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    Default Re: I am so glad that I'm not in high school anymore

    Classic case of a school throwing the book at a kid for something harmless cause they don't feel like dealing with the kid. Oh no can't send him to a tutor or a school councilor or have teachers and other faculty who genuinly care about the students. No one cares why he skips or gets bad grades or acts out, just complains when he interfers with their neat little system. As soon as they, students, become "problematic" no one wants anything to do with them. But then again, they never listened to the students or had their best intrests at heart in the first place.

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    Thats pathetic. I am so annoyed with the way schools have gone in the US. Ugh.
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    This country is in decline. It's so obvious, but so many are in denial.

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    I can't believe that! I would think, should they so desire, the kid and him mum would have a strong case against the school.

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    I agree that expelling the kid just for that drawing is ludicrous. It seems like they are just looking for an excuse to get him out.

    However, I see a problem in the way his mom seems to think that its the school's responibilty to "fix" him. Yes, they can and should try something to help the kid out, but what is the mother doing to correct his behavior? The ultimate responsibility lies with the guardians, not with teachers in a regular school setting. After 3 years of general petty delinquency, I would think she would do more than complain when it hits the fan. Should have seen this comming, lady.

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    Well, he has had 50 other incidents where disiplinary action took place. My thought is the school year is only half over, and he had to be disiplined 50 times?

    I know that probably some of the disipline would have not happened to a "good" student, and just would have slid by in other cases. But I am wondering why he hasn't been sent to an alternative high school? He obviously isn't thriving in a traditional enviroment, and it would look to me (based on the news article) that he would be a perfect canidate for such a school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panaceadisease
    Classic case of a school throwing the book at a kid for something harmless cause they don't feel like dealing with the kid. Oh no can't send him to a tutor or a school councilor or have teachers and other faculty who genuinly care about the students. No one cares why he skips or gets bad grades or acts out, just complains when he interfers with their neat little system. As soon as they, students, become "problematic" no one wants anything to do with them. But then again, they never listened to the students or had their best intrests at heart in the first place.
    Ditto. I feel this way exactly!!!

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    This country is in decline. It's so obvious, but so many are in denial.
    this is so so true and the last part of that sentence is even more true.

    Also Btw dunno if anyone watched the "20/20 stupid in America" news report earlier this week... it was a report on the American School system. very sad imo.


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    well- it's fifty other times over his three years at that high school, however he still only qualifies as a Freshman...They should have honestly just kicked him out for not shaping up on his grades, but I'm not sure if public schools can do this. The school can't really think that he was doing gang insignia when those are his initials, but are just taking an out where they can get one.

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    Default Re: I am so glad that I'm not in high school anymore

    *(~rolls her eyes~)*

    in middle school i was actually suspended for joking about programming my calculator to kill my math teacher, who was as usual being a nazi and screaming at students for no reason. what did i learn? everyone in authority is an idiot, and the rules are bullshit.

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    Actually, he was drawing his initials OVER the gang insigna he had also drawn. It's interesting how the reporting generally deemphasizes the actual insignia while playing up the initials.

    Add the kid's disturbed past behaviour (50 events that required official notice?) and yep, they're probably trying to get a problem out of the system.

    Just for a moment, instead of imagining this kid is yours, and railing against the injustice... imagine your kid has to sit next to this troublemaker, and is having his education suffer as a result. Who matters more... the troublemaker who isn't showing any signs of improvement, or the 30+ other kids in the class who are suffering because of him?

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    ^Yep. I think it's purely coincidental that the kid's initials happen to be the same as the initials he inscribed on that design... If his middle name is even Leon, that is. A lot of things don't add up. It's not like the school was singling a kid out who was minding his business and is a stellar student. His record proves otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TorontoGuy
    Actually, he was drawing his initials OVER the gang insigna he had also drawn. It's interesting how the reporting generally deemphasizes the actual insignia while playing up the initials.
    Last I checked, drawing something on your own notebook was protected by the 1st Amendment. It also didn't constitute membership in something. If it did, the majority of my high school class (myself included) would have been anarchists, satanists, or Nazis.

    Add the kid's disturbed past behaviour (50 events that required official notice?) and yep, they're probably trying to get a problem out of the system.
    50 incidents of what? More innocuous drawings that the administration found hidden symbols in? (Snip from the article):
    Kathy Kelly said the school had warned her son twice before about inappropriate drawings, including one with a "T" that officials said resembled a pitchfork.

    Derek has also been cited more than 50 times in his three years at McHenry East for skipping class, causing disturbances in the cafeteria and other minor offenses, his mother said.

    Nothing there that didn't happen in my school When that sort of thing went on, they made the troublemaker go sit in the corner. At worst, they got "in school" suspension. If you're going to expel a kid on something, expel him on something that is worth expulsion.


    Just for a moment, instead of imagining this kid is yours, and railing against the injustice... imagine your kid has to sit next to this troublemaker, and is having his education suffer as a result. Who matters more... the troublemaker who isn't showing any signs of improvement, or the 30+ other kids in the class who are suffering because of him?
    Where did it state anyone's education was suffering? I ignored these kind of schmucks and so did my classmates. When the problem got to the point where it was disturbing class, the appropriate actions were taken, short of expulsion, to remove troublesome students from those trying to learn. Expulsion was only used when there was rightful reason to do it.
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    As a former troublemaker I can say they went overboard.
    Back in the 80's nobody got suspended or expelled for "doodles" and a good majority of us drew swastikas, peace signs, 666, ftw, crosses(both righ side up and upside down), pentagrams and pentacles, skulls and daggers etc on our desks, notebooks, bookcovers you name it.
    By the middle of sophomore year I had logged over 60 trips to the principals office for silly shit and at the most got detention...including the time I caused a flashback to our shellshocked vice principal( by popping a paper bag next to him), put itching powder on our school secretary and principal and set off smoke and stink bombs in our cafeteria to test the fire departments response time
    A good majority of the degenerates I hung out with are now in law enforcement and we all lead productive lives..it's called being a teenager and bored by school.

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    ^^^ How did I know you were the kind of guy that did that stuff? LOL!

    I think the school went overboard on this one. Why not remove him from the class? Force the parents to take a bigger role? Make his parents actually be his parents? What's the real problem here?

    I think they should have forced his parents to take him to a psychologist, and be evaulated.

    Also about the 1st amendment; actually it should have been covered (the doodle that is), it's called freedom of expression, or speech.

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    I actually think those doodles would be covered since they were him form of speech.
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    I'm just glad I went to a private school, where the troublemakers were booted out, and no amount of whining from the parents could get them back in. Imagine - a school where nobody got into fights, nobody pulled the fire alarm to 'test the fire department's response time', etc. I don't care how many of them grew up to be upstanding citizens, they were jerks at the time and nobody else should have been forced to put up with their crap.

    I know MY kid won't be going into the public system past about grade 5 if I can possibly afford it.

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    1. He's been in high school 3 years and STILL only a freshman.
    2. 50 previous citations.
    3. He received 2 previous warnings about inappropriate drawings.

    He deserves to get expelled and probably worse. Let's quit trying to baby troublemakers and give the school a little credit. And WTF is wrong with his mother? Obviously she's not a very good parent if her son behaves that poorly.

    In previous decades we didn't have 10yos bringing guns to school, Columbine, etc. Can you really blame school administrators for being a little concerned about gangmembers in class these days?

    And yes, if this kid had 50 citations for "skipping class, cafeteria disturbances, other minor infractions" as reported by his mother (who will of course minimize the severity of said infractions in her reporting), he's clearly a troublemaker showing no signs of improvement, and you can bet he's causing OTHER kids problems as well. This kind always does. I have no sympathy for him.

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    I actually grew up and went to McHenry High School, so I guess I can comment. I was pretty notorious as a troublemaker (I had good grades) but I totaled approximately one semesters worth of time in various in school and out of school suspensions (including an attempted expulsion) Not that I was a real troublemaker, but I had a distict lack of respect for athority. Anyways, It appears that not only is this kid a trouble maker, but acedemically not fit for HS in general. With a burgeoning hispanic population in McHenry and the surrounding areas, and documented gang activity, I support the schools zero tolerance stance when it comes to gangs and violence. I'm sorry, but drawing Latin King symbols (pitchfork, cross, web) anywhere on school grounds amounts to throwing gang signs. I realize that it sucks that things arent like it used to be (I'm a '91 Grad) Today, no ball caps, starter jackets or jerseys, etc) But that's the way it is. The media and entertainment industry glorifies gang culture, but we whine when our children imitate. As far as the "first amendment" whiners...It has been shown over and over again that the first amendment does not apply to students. Think of many times the school news papers are censored, etc. The first amendment also does not apply when your act of "free speech" incites a riot or causes fear or danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade
    A good majority of the degenerates I hung out with are now in law enforcement and we all lead productive lives..it's called being a teenager and bored by school.
    That seems to be the way it works, Blade. I went back home a few years ago and shook hands with the ministers of the Baptist and Methodist churches. When we were kids together, those two were the best I ever saw at hot-wiring cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TorontoGuy
    I'm just glad I went to a private school, where the troublemakers were booted out, and no amount of whining from the parents could get them back in. Imagine - a school where nobody got into fights, nobody pulled the fire alarm to 'test the fire department's response time', etc. I don't care how many of them grew up to be upstanding citizens, they were jerks at the time and nobody else should have been forced to put up with their crap.

    I know MY kid won't be going into the public system past about grade 5 if I can possibly afford it.
    This is why my daughter is in private school and shes only in first grade. The public school systems suck. When you are paying $10,000 a year for school they take the time with children. They want their money and we want our kids to have a good education so it works hand in hand. They make us happy - we make them happy.

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    the police come to schools quite often to tell teachers what gang signs to llok for. when i was in school (late 80's) drawing 666 or whatever wouldnt get you killed!! the gang culture is one about violence. my nephew fell into the gang trap in school but everyone made excuses for what he was doing. he should have been treated more like this kid is being treated. my nephew is 16 and is in jail for rape!! and it happened at a gang party when he was stoned! he is of the generation of kids whos parents were not allowed to punish or hurt the fellings of their kids in anyway. now that these same kids are 13-22 the proff is in their actions. guns to school rape murder sex girls dressing worse than us strippers at the age of 15!! it HAS to stop.

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