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    So, last week I auditioned at the first club I wanted to work at and got hired. Yay me. I worked Wednesday and did decent b/c of all the business guys so I decided to work on Saturday and see what the difference would be, that way I would know what days to work. Saturday was DEAD till about 11:30 and we are forced to come in by 7 if we dont wanna pay 200 dollars to the house. But once we got warmed up things were ok, but I noticed a huge shift in the hustle techinque.

    On, Tues-Thurs business guys come in, willing to spend alot more and they dont seem to try to get too many extras. You dont really have to hustle, you just walk around the room and see who is interested in a dance. This Saturday, the guys were cheap and every other guy wants to date you or take you back to the W. Im still pretty new to everything but I noticed that alot of girls were just telling the guys that wanted extras what they wanted to hear, then grab the money and dont do it. Is this the thing to do? I think that in the long run that this type of thing catches up with them eventually. Or maybe not?

    Anyway, so for most of the night Saturday, I was honest telling the guys that I'm not that type of girl and that things that like arent allowed here, and I wasnt getting anywhere. By almost 1am I barely had any money so I thought "what the hell" I will just bullsh*t one custy and see if maybe I'm just not hustling good enough. So, I tried it on one custy and I pulled 400 for only 3 dances. I didnt do anything with him, but I made him think that I would. I only did it once, but I talked to some other dancers and they are saying that this is the whole game of hustling. Tell guys what they want to hear to get the cash. Basically telling me to act "slutty". Does anyone else hustle this way? Is telling guys what they want to hear the best way to make money?

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    Being flamed is when people rip into you with their opinions about what you say or do that they disagree with.

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    it's a risk, and a potentially dangerous one. i work mostly in small clubs, so i will not do it, but a lot of dancers who work in large clubs do it, relying on the anonymity of the huge club to protect them. it's up to you as to what risk you'll take for that money.

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    It was the same way at my old club in downtown L.A. I finally just decided it wasn't worth it to work Saturdays. Fridays and Sundays were fine, but Saturday nights weren't worth the hassle.

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    Just do not work Saturday if you prefer a more 'lady-like' and, in the end, ethical hustling style. Work Saturday if you can handle the fact that you are out and out lying to the guy and using him for his money... and do not care about the reputation of the club going downhill (take into account that someone will complain about a club to 10 people whilst praising a club to 2-5 people).

    I must admit that due to the sheer amount of Bucks parties that usually frequent whichever club I work within on Saturday... I am starting to dislike working Saturday compared to Friday or Sunday. My hustling style on a Saturday has to be more aggressive and .. yes.. "slutty" in a way as Bucks parties are after "dirty dancers" (aka more bang for their buck). I have learnt this lesson thanks to doing private parties ... the Bucks parties will usually 'order' a XXX stripper/show over just a 'standard nude' stripper/show.

    In the end, keep doing what you are doing... find the nights that are profitable for you and keep working them.


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    That's the way I rolled. Depending on where you are, you might have to be a bullshitter if you want to make decent coin.

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    Where I work, about half the dancers are giving HJs or BJs. So in order to make $, some of the cleaner dancers will lie and say they will, too.

    Of course, this only works once, lol...
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    I don't necessarily lie. If a guy flat-out asks me if I'll give him a hand-job, I say no and walk away. If he asks me if I'll "finish" him, however, I certainly flutter my eyelashes and say, "It's been known to happen." Or if they ask you if you give a *wink wink* REALLY REALLY REALLY good lapdance, well duh, of course you do, and "No one's complained to the management yet" *wink wink*

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    Good advice, RRR!
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    We are actresses. Some guys want a "slutty" girl, so you act slutty in order to make money off them. I have made money off these guys simply by acting slutty, talking a little slutty, but in the booth I didn't do anymore for them than I would've for anyone else.

    You don't have to lie and say you'll do something you won't - just slut it up a bit and act. It's amazing how these guys' attitudes change when you put on the act. 9 times out of 10 they'll spend just as much (or more) on you for acting as if you really did get down and dirty.

    So put on the act. Don't promise anything you can't deliver, but do pretend to be whatever they want. It's what they're paying for.

    Red red red has good advice too. I always liked to use a sarcastic joking response when they'd ask if I do "really good" dances. I'd sort of giggle and say "nah, I suck". Or something similar - and then laugh it off again. I got the dances almost every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariah188
    Is telling guys what they want to hear the best way to make money?
    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contheboyalready
    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
    she means lying to them, saying she'll do something she has no intention of doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    she means lying to them, saying she'll do something she has no intention of doing
    Em...I was joking (see my forum name ). But nevertheless, I'd agree more with Bridgette than your comment. The fantasy can be an effective con without making a false promise. Outside the club, stringing along or leading men on this way would be quite wrong, but in my opinion, it's exactly what they really want once they pay the cover charge.

    edit: I mean what they want is to "pretend" chase some big game, and get realllly close, but never actually make the kill. .... Now of course this model is changing rapidly it seems... No chase in a brothel.

    When I say "con the boy" of course I'm being a bit facetious, but what I'm really suggesting is that the sort of "leading men on" behavior that is unacceptable if used to milk men's wallets OTC, is precisely what a strip club is all about.

    You are correct, however, that what the poster is suggesting is to flat out lie to the customers. No way.
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    oh, I was confused!

    I don't play like that. it's annoying to fight a guy off who is pissed that he isn't getting what he wants.

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    One last comment....

    In my opinion, the key difference between a "CAB" [con artist bitch (newly coined by me )] and a "ROB" [rip off bitch], is the perception of the "mark", i.e. customer. In a successful con (CAB), the mark doesn't know he's been "robbed", and walks away happy, more or less. Las Vegas is in a sense one giant con. You come chasing a fantasy outcome that is most definately virtually impossible but are relentlessly teased to lead you to think it is quite possible. An "ROB" leaves an angry and bitter mark behind...and one looking to get even.

    Cons are a part of Americana, and I like to view them with a certain romantically clouded vision.

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    I think it is stupid to promise extras and then not do it, since the guy has basically been conned, and you won't be getting any more dances from him! OTOH, if the guy's an asshole, why not? Except, of course for the Karmic payback possibilities.

    I always shudder when I hear about the women I work with doing it. What if the guy is a psycho? Then you've got trouble. I spent 15 minutes explaining the Laws of Karma to my ex-roommate--who lies shamelessly to get guys in VIP, and has taken a few for big bucks. She didn't get it, showed no remorse and little if any comprehension.

    Less than an hour later she discovered she had left her handbag on the sidewalk, with 650$ in it.

    Someone had 'taken' it, of course...

    I didn't bother trying to tell her 'I told you so', she was too upset.

    But the method described by RRR and Bridgette is good. You promise them what they appear to want or say they want--and deliver. This doesn't mean you have to lower your standards, though.
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    Also... know that the guy who comes in the club looking for a 4 minute, $20 jack job is trifling from every angle and probably doesn't have more to spend anyway. You're not missing out on anything if you laugh in the face of someone who has the nerve to ask you, on the floor, to jerk him off. The extras dancer who "lands" this guy and gives him what he wants is not going to be making any kind of rent from him... just another slipped notch on the self-worth belt.

    at least 50% of the other customers, if not more, WILL try to get you to do extras without overtly demanding/asking for them... because they can, and because it's part of their dumb little customer hustle. there's a big difference between a customer being a customer and a customer being a complete douchebag. just like there's a big difference between a dancer being a dancer and a dancer being a scammer... i liked the distinctions made by contheboy.
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    It depends. If they are hinting around, I see no problem winking and saying "Who knows what will happen in the VIP"...if he asks out right? First off, ew, no. Second of all, if he's a cop, and you "pretend", you're busted.

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    I had one customer who was being graphic with the other dancers and all of them had avoided his table. I acceped his offer of a "very naughty" dance. He was counting out his money down to the exact dollar (the private dances were 3 songs for $50 at this club), and I did three air dances for him.

    He complained "Is that it??" I asked him what he meant. He says "I thought you were going to give me very naughty dances?"

    I bat my eyelashes at him and say that was a very naughty lap dance. I pointed out the rules for the customers that was posted in the VIP room, and said I did all that I could legally.

    He complained to the manager that I didn't do all the dances and he wanted his money back, but there was a camera in the VIP room so the manager saw him get all three dances.

    Complaining about being ripped off by a stripper who refused to provide illegal activity doesn't get the customer very far. If you ask me to break the law, I'll take your money as a kind of slap on the hand for expecting me to be a criminal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris

    He complained "Is that it??" I asked him what he meant. He says "I thought you were going to give me very naughty dances?"
    Well, gee, he wanted contact and you gave him air, that was terribly naughty indeed! LMAO

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    Basically yeah, lie without outright lying. However, if the guy spells it out exactly then I just walk away. Like if he says "will have sex during the dance?" I'll just leave and tell the bouncer. A couple times I've lied and then told then guy that I couldn't because of several reasons like there's a camera, or the manager's watching, or whatever. This is very risky and potentially dangerous, I've only done that a couple times when the guy was really annoying and asking for it and I hadn't made much money. The majority of the time I just trick the ones that don't ask outright and I make them think that's its not my fault and I didn't rip them off on purpose. Like say things like "I would really love to but I can't" and compliment them on stuff instead of things like "ha ha, I just took your money". You'll pick it up over time.

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    I just usually give them a sly smile and say "Ill see what I can do.No guarantees, but youll leave satisfied". And I give them the same dance I give everybody else.

    What do they think they are?Special?

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