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    WWW Merged: Dance Price Poll and Owning your own club

    How much do you charge for dances?
    If the club sets the price, how much?

    Also, let's pretend we're each owners of a upscale club: How would you have it? Remember, let's be a little fair...

    DANCERS:

    * 1: How much would YOU set the Dancers floor Fees?
    * 2: How much would dancers tip the DJ/doorman/club/Ect...?
    * 3: How much would dancers charge for VIP shows and how much goes to the dancer and how much to the club/manager?
    * 4: Would you let dancers set their own dance prices?

    ETC...
    Last edited by VenusGoddess; 02-01-2006 at 10:54 PM.

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    Default Re: Dance Prices

    $20 is pretty standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    $20 is pretty standard
    Could you charge more if you wanted?
    One would think, as an independant contractor you could do just that. But I know of clubs who do not let the dancers set a price...

    I know of a club where $20 is the min. Yhe average lap dance is $40-50, but most of the girls won't move for under $30.

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    20 bucks. per song or I charge x amount by the half hour .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manager Al
    Could you charge more if you wanted?
    One would think, as an independant contractor you could do just that. But I know of clubs who do not let the dancers set a price...

    I know of a club where $20 is the min. Yhe average lap dance is $40-50, but most of the girls won't move for under $30.
    you can charge more, but most guys have come to accept that a dance is $20 and you come off as greedy and full of yourself if you ask for more. Lowering the price below the standard is a no-no, but that is an unwritten rule amongst dancers.

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    I WISH my club would up them to $20...mine sets them at $5

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    oh god....I've heard of $10 in AZ, but that is ridiculous.

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    Having the price set at twenty works best in most places, but I sometimes work at a club where there are minimums, and most of us charge about double the minimum. It works at that club because there's a huge demand and small supply.



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    My club sets the cost at $20 and we keep $10 of it. I would like to be able to set my own prices, but that will probably never happen.

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    $5 !! Wow! That's b.s. I would charge more. Or go to a diff. club. Yikes...
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    it is club dependent. i prefer a stated minimum with the option to charge more. that is the current policy where i work and it works out for everyone pretty well. guys pay more to girls who charge more, and those who charge only 20 sometimes receive tips anyhow.

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    Without a club stated minimum, how is a bouncer supposed to help a girl that isn't getting all/part of her money that a customer owes?

    definitely need a stated amount, preferably posted in the dance areas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    oh god....I've heard of $10 in AZ, but that is ridiculous.
    Yeah, In VIP....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manager Al
    How much do you charge for dances?
    If the club sets the price, how much?
    Generally it is $50AUD for one 3 song or 10 min private/lap dance.

    I sell as so: $70AUD for a special dance or $50AUD for the standard

    ** I will sometimes say that it is $80 for the special dance and 'bargain' with the guy down to $70 (without him realising that is the standard price for my more raunchier private/lap dance anyhow lol!)... also.. if the person doesn't bargain with me and pays the $80 usually they pay in two $50 notes.. all dances are pre-paid here in Australia so I keep the money and at the end of the dance offer to get them change (this is my way of trying to snare a tip) and most let me "keep the change" (yay me!)

    I also will generally not dance for those who cannot afford my bare minimum for a private/lap dance. If a table dance option which is cheaper is available, I will promote that instead. I feel I am under-cutting and under-valuing myself if I go under $50 for a private/lap dance. I'm not being a snob, I just know my value.

    My $70AUD dance is the $50AUD with a $20AUD tip. I use that tip as way to gauge if they want the customer wants my raunchy private/lap dance compared to my standard one.

    This is an easy sell as I usually up-sell to it by saying.. "It's only $20 more...." I may or may not add to that sentence (don't usually have to): "... for the best private/lap dance you will have the pleasure of receiving tonight".

    So I set my own price whilst following along club guidelines.

    I forgot to mention that this only works in clubs where I pay "rent" (aka tip-out/door fees). This won't really work that well in clubs where the club takes a cut from each dance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Manager Al
    * 1: How much would YOU set the Dancers floor Fees?
    * 2: How much would dancers tip the DJ/doorman/club/Ect...?
    * 3: How much would dancers charge for VIP shows and how much goes to the dancer and how much to the club/manager?
    1 - Dependant upon the time the dancer 'starts' work.. therefore can be anywhere between $20-100. Rewards the dancers who work the early/slow shifts therefore time-based not one stardard fee. Plus have a cut off time for the dancers to arrive (by 10pm is good) as well as have them pay the fee UP-FRONT in CASH or CLUB DOLLARS. If they don't have $$ for the fee that night, then they don't work.

    2 - Ideally nothing as the employees of the club should be receiving a decent wage from the club itself. Granted, if you have club tipping dollars you should mention to the girls they can tip the staff with them if they so desire. (The club dollars would be matched dollar for dollar - the club doesn't take a cut or "admin" fee.)

    3 - $150AUD for half hour and $300AUD for an hour which includes one free standard drink (spirit or glass of champagne for the customer not the dancer). Nothing goes to the club as the club will be profit-ing off the drinks and entry fees from the door hopefully... as for the Manager.. he should be paid enough by the club just like every other employee (to discourage favouritism).

    Plus all private shows and VIP should be pre-paid up-front none of this crap that alot of US clubs seem to have (and none of the aussie clubs do) in re: paying after the dance is over.
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    I prefer a stated "suggested" dance price with an employee understanding that one may charge more than that for difficult customers or when there's very few girls/customer but that charging less than that will get you in trouble.
    In addition, it's a good idea to set a ceiling price for standard dances and standard hourly rates. Customers can get upset and leave if they feel insulted or ripped-off by the quoted price. For reference, I would consider "nonstandard" dances and hourlies to be fetish requests, especially grabby customers, and being expected to dance more than the "dance 3 songs, rest 1-2" which is standard at my club.

    Dances at my club are tableside, low-med one-way contact, $20 for a song. Dancers keep 100%. Hourly rates vary from $150-300 per hour, with $300 being the maximum and $250-300 being frowned upon unless you are expected to dance the entire time. Personally, I charge ~$160 on a Sunday or very slow weeknight, $200 hourly on weekend nights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    oh god....I've heard of $10 in AZ, but that is ridiculous.
    Emily - I understand your gag on these prices, but if you look at what people get paid out here, it's pretty much 1/2 of what EC people get. The cost of living is so much lower. 1) we get paid in sunshine and atmosphere - once you taste the life here it's hard to leave and 2) the waves of people coming in here and the extreme legislative conservatism keeps wages low.

    Felcia - where are the VIP dances $10?

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    Our songs are $30 each. I will sometimes do a deal where if a guy does 3 dances for $100 I will give him 4. ($5 off, but that is only for certain custys (my good regs) and not everyone)

    Or I will do a pachage deal, say we are back there for an hour (that's 12 songs? average song length is around 5 mins(we don't cut songs)) I will charge $300. But that's got to be a guarenteed thing, cash up front if you will. I will talk during break songs, but not suring the actual dance songs if I am not asked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadisonM
    My club sets the cost at $20 and we keep $10 of it. I would like to be able to set my own prices, but that will probably never happen.

    See to me, that just sounds like a rip-off.

    I think $25/$5 is pretty fair, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcustomer
    Emily - I understand your gag on these prices, but if you look at what people get paid out here, it's pretty much 1/2 of what EC people get. The cost of living is so much lower. 1) we get paid in sunshine and atmosphere - once you taste the life here it's hard to leave and 2) the waves of people coming in here and the extreme legislative conservatism keeps wages low.

    Felcia - where are the VIP dances $10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manager Al
    See to me, that just sounds like a rip-off.

    I think $25/$5 is pretty fair, don't you?
    it's better to have a stated minimum of 20, let the girls keep it all, and charge a housefee.

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    Housefee as if floor fees?

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    yes, as in floor fees. it all goes by different names, but is the same thing-- flat rate independent contractor rent. the house taking a cut per dance tends to chop dancer earning potential off at the knees.

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    Default Re: Let's Say YOU Had Your Own Club...

    1: How much would YOU set the Dancers floor Fees?
    - a fixed cash amount equal to about 33% of the average gross earnings level of all dancers in that club. If average nightly earnings are $300, then the stage fee should be $100 for every dancer - If the average nightly earnings are $600, then the stage fee should be $200 for every dancer. This provides the club with a reasonable 'cut' to cover the club's fixed costs and operating expenses. But this also shares the 'burden' equally among all dancers on a dollar basis, which in turn creates an incentive for 'hot' dancers who are hustlers to keep working at the club (because the more income they generate the more they personally benefit), and creates a disincentive for marginal dancers (who in the extreme are forced to quit if they are so marginal that they can't generate enough income to cover the nightly fixed dollar stage fee).

    - the problem with a percentage based 'cut' for the club is that it overburdens the very dancers who are the most productive, and provides a subsidy to dancers who are the least productive. If this is an upscale club, a percentage based 'cut' would provide an incentive for the most upscale dancers to leave in search of other clubs which charge a lower 'cut' in absolute dollar terms, and instead it provides an incentive for marginal dancers to stay and tarnish the upscale club's public image.

    How much would dancers tip the DJ/doorman/club/Ect...?
    - no mandatory tip whatsoever, as these persons should be club 'employees' who are paid out of the club's 'cut' of dancer gross earnings. If tips are given by dancers, they should be based on merit (i.e. doing something which helps dancers earn more money) and not under a mandatory but illegal directive by club management for dancers to make 'charitable contributions' to Dj/bouncer/waitstaff etc.

    How much would dancers charge for VIP shows and how much goes to the dancer and how much to the club/manager?
    - the club should settle for the same 33% 'cut'. Managers should be considered club 'employees' and paid from the club's 'cut' not mandatory but illegal directives towards dancers to 'voluntarily' fork over a share of their gross earnings as a 'charitable contribution'. Now if the manager/DJ/bouncer were to be 1099'd by each dancer for the total annual amount of 'mandatory fees' paid to them, then at least the dancers could legally write off these amounts as a business expense.

    Would you let dancers set their own dance prices?
    - no, because departing from a fixed price confuses customers and indirectly encourages 'extras' and can result in a 'price war' if economic conditions are difficult (with negative effects on every single club and dancer in town) .


    IMHO, If an upscale club can't cut it with revenues consisting of 33% of every customer dollar spent on dancers, plus 100% of every customer dollar spent at the bar, plus 100% of every customer dollar spent at the door, that club needs new management (or a less greedy owner) !
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    Default Re: Let's Say YOU Had Your Own Club...

    If I had my own club....
    I would pay my dancers a wage, so therefore I would have ultimate control of who I hire to dance there. Clubs that opperate under a desperate need for dancers aren't going to get very far. I would only hire dancers that met my standards.

    No house fees. I would try to earn my living by selling food, drinks and merchandise. (Hooters seems to do okay in the area).

    No direct tip out to other staff members. I would want them to work for me, not for my dancers. I would pay them fairly with pooled tip out from private dance fees.

    I would not have a VIP room per se... I would offer a private dance area, would charge $25 per dance to the customer, with the house taking $5 of each dance. The customer would be required to pay for the first dance prior to entering the private dance area, and a floor man would be available to run the cash register and track what the customer owes upon leaving the private dance area. The $5 per dance fee would be redistributed to the bouncers and DJ as tipout at the end of the night.

    I would allow the dancers to set their own prices with a minimum charge of $25 per dance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    yes, as in floor fees. it all goes by different names, but is the same thing-- flat rate independent contractor rent. the house taking a cut per dance tends to chop dancer earning potential off at the knees.
    Agreed.Anything the club takes away after the floor/house fee is extortion,in my opinion.I refuse to work at any clubs that take away from dances.

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