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    I saw one of this Dateline series, http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9878187/, and they have another coming this week. The crew does some false advertising like on My Space or a chat room and entrap older guys who think they are going to get something from like 14 yr old girls. Then the guys appear on TV when they enter the family's house loking for their "date" then they try to interview them. They girls are not actually there, of course.

    I believe they do a very good service and I sure hope word gets around to the pervs. Durn....there seem to be so many of them. Watching it, I am struck by how easily they fall into this trap. My emotions - anger, disgust, and a lot of evil laughter but also curiosity (what is the motive).

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    1) In the interest of fair play, but it wouldn't get much play on TV, they could reverse the sexes. Also the frequency seems so much less. Maybe they'd have to do the game in schools, though, though males and females are involved there too.

    2) There are so many of these pervs in so many different circumstances that we must consider the causes as not just too much testosterone and ignorance. For one thing, just to spark conversation, this is the age when girls are still very naive, but are exploring, venturing out and becoming curious about guys, and simultaneously feeling their independence, 'sassing' their parents, and acting out. Sound familiar?

    3) Also it is so important for parents to spend enough time and have good skills to be good role models for their daughters (and sons) and the balance between helping them to become aware and yet not afraid of the opposite sex. Too bad many aren't able to.

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    I've seen this set-up done by other news shows, like ABC "20/20" & FOX back when they had a tabloid-infotainment show....the most memorable pedophile they caught was a guy who was a GRADE SCHOOL TEACHER....he was dumb enough to be recorded on tape saying he was an elementary school teacher! He said he had to be careful not to get caught because of that! I hope someone has run him over since.

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    Yeah, this is the third show on this on Dateline. The first one was pretty amazing. The amount of sickos out there is seriously disturbing. The first show there was a rabbi, teachers, and of course they all said "this is first time I ever did this". Some went running out of the house as fast as they could. Some brought alcohol, all kinds of stuff. One guy was told to take his clothes off and come into the house...and he DID! Grown man meeting what he thinks is a little kid....sick, fucking sick. I hope they bust alot of people and they get the punishment they deserve.

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    Something to consider here though. Shows like 20/20 and the like are sensationalistic programmers who tend to blow situations WAY out of proportion to make a story. Not that I'm saying they aren't doing a service by exposing (no pun intended) these sick psychopaths, but also understand that by nature, they want to leave the impression that people like this are running around all over the place. What they DIDN'T report was how many people saw the link to that myspace ad and either never went to it or never took any action on it when they did see it. In other words, what they didn't report about were all the hundreds or thousands of men who thought that the concept of such a thing was uninteresting or perverted for 14 year olds to be doing this. What they do tend to focus on is the handful of people who did, and so now they have a story to which they can make everyone think that 99% of guys are sick pedophiles. Having first-hand experience with shows like 20/20, I can tell you factually that's how they think and the slant that they like to spin with such stories.

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    I saw that show,makes you think about your own child.That is pure evil I don't think you can rehabilitate those people.Death penalty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    Something to consider here though. Shows like 20/20 and the like are sensationalistic programmers who tend to blow situations WAY out of proportion to make a story. Not that I'm saying they aren't doing a service by exposing (no pun intended) these sick psychopaths, but also understand that by nature, they want to leave the impression that people like this are running around all over the place. What they DIDN'T report was how many people saw the link to that myspace ad and either never went to it or never took any action on it when they did see it. In other words, what they didn't report about were all the hundreds or thousands of men who thought that the concept of such a thing was uninteresting or perverted for 14 year olds to be doing this. What they do tend to focus on is the handful of people who did, and so now they have a story to which they can make everyone think that 99% of guys are sick pedophiles. Having first-hand experience with shows like 20/20, I can tell you factually that's how they think and the slant that they like to spin with such stories.
    You mean my neighbor is not a terrorist looking to break into my home and buttfuck me while stealing my valuables only to kill me in the end?

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    ^Deogol...LOL That's how Western Civilization was spread!

    The sad thing is, in my life experience, I have seen some pedophiles go unpunished because the family/community was unwilling or unable to punish them.....A couple weeks ago on "Larry King Live" there was a family that made the news because the daughter shot her father to death after years of taking abuse from him (molestation & beatings) she got a reduced sentence because of the circumstances. Her whole family testified on her behalf- NO ONE spoke on behalf of her father, the man she shot.

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    Damn you, threlayer! When I read this earlier, you tricked me into thinking it was Friday! So there I was, watching NBC waiting for it to come on. LOL.

    I personally love watching their specials. Hyped up for ratings or not, the scumbags are out there. And I love when their sick asses get caught in the act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    ... they can make everyone think that 99% of guys are sick pedophiles..
    Of course that's BS. Most men are healthy pedophiles.

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    Watched one of the shows. One of them was a Rabbi(spelling?) Another got busted 2 times! I can't understand what the desire is that pervs want w/ young girls. Gross.
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    1) In the interest of fair play, but it wouldn't get much play on TV, they could reverse the sexes.
    Wouldn't get much play on TV? Dude, it would get massive ratings--the double standard is alive and well in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Wouldn't get much play on TV? Dude, it would get massive ratings--the double standard is alive and well in this area.
    Yep. The problem is, chicks are smarter about it. They are more socially aware I think.

    The subject has come up repeatedly on TV about it with the various school teachers. Good looking women married to good looking guys - who would have thought? And that is the big hook to pull the crowd in! Who do do da do do di da di di da do do ....

    They sure in the heck wouldn't come padding butt naked into the kitchen of a strange house. That dude was whoa-what-the-hell-goofy. You could just look at him and know he wasn't right in the head. Outside the McDonalds - what a great line "What? I was just getting something to eat!" (Shakes head.)

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    The McDon's guy was soooo stupid. He prob. went back on the same chat and tried to pick up another girl. Sick f*cker. I think they need more ppl. willing to set up these so called men. Nice thought. Sorry, I won't get into politics.
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    This is straight up entrapment and as such makes the producers about as morally stable as the purported pedophiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    1) In the interest of fair play, but it wouldn't get much play on TV, they could reverse the sexes.
    threlayer, do you really think that it would work in reverse? Do you really think you could get 35- or 45-year old women to come to a house thinking that they were going to have sex with a random 14-year-old boy they'd been chatting up on the internet?

    I just don't think it would happen.

    Sure, you get that rare case of a female teacher having an affair with a teenaged student. But in those cases, I'm pretty sure that it happens because an emotional relationship develops before any kind of sex occurs: the kid has a crush on the teacher. She's secretly flattered by the attention... That dynamic is pretty common, I'm sure. But in very rare cases, it seems, the emotional connection gets to the point where she begins to return the affection and the sexual attraction. In all the cases of this that I can think of, the two participants claimed to be deeply "in love."

    I don't think that's necessarily true of cases where a male teacher sleeps with a female student.

    Also, I think it's extremely rare to find a female who could really be considered a "pedophile"--i.e. a person who is fixated on having sex with young children. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an adult woman who regularly fantasizes about sleeping with underage boys.

    There are very sound biological reasons for these realities, but I'll spare you the bio lecture...

    About the show I saw:

    That McDonald's guy who got caught twice obviously had some sort of developmental disability; he definitely wasn't quite right.

    The doctor was the one who really scared me; he was so obviously a sociopath--did you see how slick he was when he got caught? It was chilling.
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    OK I'm going to say something here that I will get a LOT of flak about...so let me qualify this first...

    50 year old men should not be seeking out 14 year old girls for sex because as a society, we've decided that 14 year old girls are too young to be doing that. I agree with that.

    However...men are genetically hardwired to be attracted to just that type of female. Evolutionarily, that's the age that females become fertile. 50k years ago, that's the age all the male cavemen would be fighting over. I can't say it's pedophilic to be attracted to a 14 year old girl. Now...acting on that attraction is not something one should do.

    My point? The word pedophile gets thrown about really easily. Being sexually attracted to a 14 year old girl who is developed and looks like a young woman is NOT the same as being sexually attracted to a 9 year old who looks like a little girl.

    So...perverts? I don't know. VERY bad judgment and should be punished for going after 14 year olds? Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    This is straight up entrapment and as such makes the producers about as morally stable as the purported pedophiles.
    That shit ain't entrapment! They are like going through a lot of effort to meet up in the real world. I mean, busting someone for talking shit on the internet is one thing. Having a perv walking into a stranger's kitchen butt naked is something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Sure, you get that rare case of a female teacher having an affair with a teenaged student. But in those cases, I'm pretty sure that it happens because an emotional relationship develops before any kind of sex occurs: the kid has a crush on the teacher. She's secretly flattered by the attention... That dynamic is pretty common, I'm sure. But in very rare cases, it seems, the emotional connection gets to the point where she begins to return the affection and the sexual attraction. In all the cases of this that I can think of, the two participants claimed to be deeply "in love."

    I don't think that's necessarily true of cases where a male teacher sleeps with a female student.

    Also, I think it's extremely rare to find a female who could really be considered a "pedophile"--i.e. a person who is fixated on having sex with young children. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an adult woman who regularly fantasizes about sleeping with underage boys.

    There are very sound biological reasons for these realities, but I'll spare you the bio lecture...
    Wow. That was such a sweet apology for female sexual molesters. It almost brought a tear to my eye.

    May I suggest you plug "female sexual abuser" into google and read up.

    P.S. I think you will be horrified how much female perpetrated abuse goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    OK I'm going to say something here that I will get a LOT of flak about...so let me qualify this first...

    50 year old men should not be seeking out 14 year old girls for sex because as a society, we've decided that 14 year old girls are too young to be doing that. I agree with that.

    However...men are genetically hardwired to be attracted to just that type of female. Evolutionarily, that's the age that females become fertile. 50k years ago, that's the age all the male cavemen would be fighting over. I can't say it's pedophilic to be attracted to a 14 year old girl. Now...acting on that attraction is not something one should do.

    My point? The word pedophile gets thrown about really easily. Being sexually attracted to a 14 year old girl who is developed and looks like a young woman is NOT the same as being sexually attracted to a 9 year old who looks like a little girl.

    So...perverts? I don't know. VERY bad judgment and should be punished for going after 14 year olds? Definitely.
    50K years ago? Try merely 200. In some parts of the world it is still going on.

    It is interesting how there is biology/sex and then there is society/sex and how the two inter-relate.

    I would say that it is pretty well recognized that in US society a 14 year old with a kid is actually an impediment to her own life and those around her.

    Should she be living in a mud hut surrounded by people dying by age 30 then survival might require some flexiblity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinslifoxxx17
    The McDon's guy was soooo stupid. He prob. went back on the same chat and tried to pick up another girl. Sick f*cker. I think they need more ppl. willing to set up these so called men. Nice thought. Sorry, I won't get into politics.
    I saw this one on MSNBC, and this show was about men trying to meet up with young boys. The Mcdonalds guy got caught doing this twice, and the other guys on the show included a teacher, a rabbi, and a few other guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Wow. That was such a sweet apology for female sexual molesters. It almost brought a tear to my eye.
    Ummmm, no. It wasn't anything close to an apology. Just an observation.

    May I suggest you plug "female sexual abuser" into google and read up.

    P.S. I think you will be horrified how much female perpetrated abuse goes on.
    I admit I haven't researched the topic...and you're right, I'll be shocked and horrified if it turns out that there are a lot of older women who troll for sex with anonymous young boys on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    OK I'm going to say something here that I will get a LOT of flak about...so let me qualify this first...

    50 year old men should not be seeking out 14 year old girls for sex because as a society, we've decided that 14 year old girls are too young to be doing that. I agree with that.

    However...men are genetically hardwired to be attracted to just that type of female. Evolutionarily, that's the age that females become fertile. 50k years ago, that's the age all the male cavemen would be fighting over. I can't say it's pedophilic to be attracted to a 14 year old girl. Now...acting on that attraction is not something one should do.
    You make really good points, Mr. Hyde.

    Okay, I'll say it: Males want to have sex with young females (i.e. around the age when they first become sexally mature) because biologically, they want to have sex with virgins.

    Why? Because it offers assurance of their paternity. This is especially important in a long-lived species that has a long period of childhood dependency on parents (e.g. humans).

    A lengthy childhood means that offspring survival to reproductive age is greatly increased when BOTH parents provide parental care to the young. However, it's extremely stupid (from the POV of the 'selfish gene', that is) to expend your resources raising offspring that do not carry your genes. Being cuckolded is a terrible disaster for any male who provides parental care to offspring he did not sire--biologically speaking.

    Hence the virgin thing. You see it all over the animal kingdom, from insects to apes. Many, many species have developed behavioral mechanisms that are meant to ensure that the males inseminate virgins.

    PLEASE, PLEASE NOTE that I am not excusing or apologizing for any sort of behavior here. I am just offering the evolutionary perspective on it, which makes a lot of sense to me, in light of what I know about the evolution and behavior of all kinds of creatures besides humans.

    CULTURALLY, it is not okay to have sex with a girl who is deemed "underage"--but the definition of "underage" varies from culture to culture (even here in the U.S., it varies from state to state).

    It's also NEVER okay to have sex with a female who is not sexually mature. That is deviant, from any perspective.

    My point? The word pedophile gets thrown about really easily. Being sexually attracted to a 14 year old girl who is developed and looks like a young woman is NOT the same as being sexually attracted to a 9 year old who looks like a little girl.
    Agreed. (see above.)
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    I'm watching this right now, and it's insane. 51 men in 3 days have been busted. Nice. There was even a guy getting arrested outside when another one was pulling up. He called the decoy and asked her what was going on. She said her neighbor got busted for drugs. He bought it... turned around and went right in. Ha.

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    Waste some time on this site

    They post photos., the guys profiles and shit like that.

    Been a fan of the site for a few years reading it to see how far they've come and how many people they've helped lock away.

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