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    wonder who thinks what. aside from the religious sin and damnation thing. i think it's not a weakness, and i wouldn't think any less of a person who did it, wouldn't feel sorry for them, and even if someone i loved offed themselves, i wouldn't consider them selfish and wouldn't judge. it does take a lot of guts to do it and they may be seriously in a lot of pain to go thru with it. but to go a religious route, only humans can condemn. why would God if he is all seeing and all loving?

    this can be argued, but we had no choice in being born (souls can plan to incarnate, but this can prove to be too much, and who knows, they may plan a suicide as part of their worldly experience), and if ugliness and injustice of the world gets to us too much and we can't make a difference, or don't have the emotional resources to just deal year after year till we get old, don't we have a perfect right to exit whenever we choose? i grew up with talk of suicide being such a taboo, and if you think of it something is wrong with you. well, i don't think you even have to be depressed necessarily to be thinking about it. it can be a purely logical decision.

    i read somewhere that a true warrior walks with death at his side all the time and it frees him. or like if you know you have this option and it's ok, you can enjoy life more...

    i'm not planning it and it's not a cry for help, btw, lol! just curious what views of others are.

    (sorry if this came out rambly, i'm doing like 10 things at once, lol)
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    I am in school for psychology, so I see suicide as the end result of a serious mental disorder, such as depression, bipolar, or anxiety disorders. If someone doesn't get the treatment that they need for these kinds of disorders, it is a possibility that if their symptoms get severe enough, they may commit suicide.

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    I get the most awful feeling whenever I hear of someone committing suicide. I guess in part it's because I hate to think of someone hurting that badly inside because I've been that depressed before. It's just such a sad thing to me and I can't even put it into words. I get so upset when I even hear about someone I don't know committing suicide. To me it's one of the most purely awful things there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pissymissy
    don't we have a perfect right to exit whenever we choose? ... i don't think you even have to be depressed necessarily to be thinking about it. it can be a purely logical decision.
    Fwiiw, I completely agree with you. If done in a serene/calm, dignified and deliberate (as opposed to impulsive) way, it seems to me that it would be a "better death" than most people die.

    i read somewhere that a true warrior walks with death at his side all the time and it frees him. or like if you know you have this option and it's ok, you can enjoy life more...
    Why just warriors? Isn't the possibility of sudden death there for all of us, all the time anyway?

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    I believe that suicide is the most selfish thing that a person can do. It's a cop-out. I don't believe in any religious ramifications of taking your own life (example: That it's a sin, etc..), I just feel that it's cowardly, very cowardly.

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    when you can't see the edge of the dark cloud that seems to be only hovering above you, what else is a kid to do?

    i agree w/ Madison on the mental conditions.

    more than anything - it is just so sad and a waste. i have known people so tortured in life, that death seemed like their only friend. (aided by clinical dep. of course). what is worst is that the person feels like they are truly alone - that is what hurts the people left behind the most.

    i could never and would never judge someone for taking their own life.

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    I had a boyfriend commit suicide while we were together, and at first, i thought he was the biggest most selfish ass in the world. Then I felt like I was the most selfish ass in the world, for believing how I was feeling was more important than how he was feeling. No matter how much I try to come to a conclusion on wrong/right/bad/good I don't know how that person felt at the time. IMO, it is as unfair to judge someone who commits suicide as it is to judge someone still alive for something they do.

    Though, there is no feeling worse in the world than having someone close to you feel so badly that they would rather die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus
    what is worst is that the person feels like they are truly alone - that is what hurts the people left behind the most.

    i could never and would never judge someone for taking their own life.
    No one seems to care or notice until after a person is dead. The people left behind typically did nothing to prevent the suicide.

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    you can't do something if they won't let you.

    logic goes out the window in the dark cloud -- so the words, "i am here" mean precious little.

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    Well, I think we can all agree that if someone commits suicide they probably really don't care whether we think more or less of them. The ending of one's life prematurely is a mental illness and sometimes a failure of us as a society to make them feel life is worth living.

    It was a year ago last Christmas that the daughter of a friend committed suicide. She was about 25 and lived at home. Her family is wealthy and they had tried everything to help her. I remember her as a younger girl and she was always a little sad and gothic. It was just sad.

    Death in and of itself is sad. At the same time a woman who worked for me. died of breast cancer.


    Carla Cathleen AAAAA, age 45, Wednesday, November 10, 2004 after a
    courageous battle with breast cancer. Member of Immaculate Conception
    Catholic Church. Survived by loving husband,
    Sean E.; sons, James Thomas (11) & Connor Edward(9)l; twin sister, Esta E. ( and many other brothers & sisters-in-law, nieces & nephews.

    I thought it was ironic that someone who so much wanted life had it taken away and someone else gave it up for no purpose.

    I think death is sad but it is inevitable. We should try to make everyone's life here better instead of trying to shit on them while they are alive.

    But I must believe that when there is a point where death is inevitable let people die with respect instead of prolonging their agony. I am all for the Oregon law.

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    thank you for the opinions.

    re: warrior, trying to remember the context. i think it was somewhere in the "The way of the peaceful warrior" by Dan Millman book, or another one of the kind. In that book, tho, the guy goes thru this spiritual transformation and awakening, and he has to go thru the experience of death to really realize what the universe is all about (not quite the expected oh, i almost died, glad i'm alive). great book by the way for anyone afraid of dying. or living even...
    "The herd walks off the cliff because the herd are not a group of individuals - the herd is a mass of followers and followers follow the path of cowardice."

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    After losing my brother in 2003 to a drunk driver, I get so angry when I think of these people who end their lives by choice. Russell didn't have a choice. They did. How come it couldn't have been one of them instead. ok. now I've upset myself, and I've been drinking a little for the last two hours or so. I better drop this before things get out of hand. I think people whoi commit suicide are cowards and anyone who suceeds at this deserves to die simply because they could give up something so presciouse when others had no choice. I am soooo angry right now. this happens every time.
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    i'm sorry, btw, for really upsetting anyone but this topic, as it seems. it seriously wasn't the intention. i just don't see death as a negative thing, cuz i've been clinically dead a few times, so have a certain perspective. i lost some loved ones, but the only thing that got to me was violence of their deaths and because it wasn't their choice, and in another case what someone had to go thru who was dying of cancer but the choice to end the pain sooner rather than later was denied them.
    "The herd walks off the cliff because the herd are not a group of individuals - the herd is a mass of followers and followers follow the path of cowardice."

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    So that people know where I'm coming from...

    I'm almost done with a degree in psychology.

    When I was three, I watched a man pour gasoline over himself and light himself on fire. By some freak coincidence when I was thirteen I saw that man's son do the same thing. When I was twelve, the older guy I was dating burned down his ex wife's house and shot himself in the head. When I was fifteen my best friend swallowed a bottle of pills, and then told me about it. When I was sixteen I swallowed a shitload of drugs and went to sleep in a snow bank.

    I've answered phones for a suicide hotline, worked at womens shelters, and advocated for suicidal teenagers.

    So I have some experience with suicide, personal and professional, and some edumacation about how people get there.

    I think that people have a right to do most things with their life, including end it.

    I think that suicide is a perfectly rational response to some situations.

    I think the vast majority of people who commit suicide do so impulsively and not out of a clear or lasting desire to end their lives.

    I think that mental illness as a whole is a social construct and that most mental illnesses make a lot of sense in context.

    Spiritually, I believe that we will find ourselves in similar circumstances until we learn from/transcend them.



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    spot on.

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    People who commit suicide aren't always obvious about their intentions, either.

    My dear friend Matt shot and killed himself over a year ago, and he was the last person anyone would have suspected of doing such a thing. He was a successful business owner, generous, the life of any party, and extremely well-liked. His death was a sickening shock to everyone who knew him.

    It's hard to reach out when you don't even realize there is a problem in the first place. Most people who are truly suicidal don't announce their intentions before they do it. There was no "cry for help" here---he made sure it was his final decision.

    I don't think he was selfish. I just feel so very sad about the pain he was obviously in, but kept to himself. Had I one inkling of his true feelings, there is nothing I wouldn't have done to try to make a difference. I think about that a lot. I miss him every day.

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    I think we missed suicide such as in suicide bombers.

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    I have had four different people close to me in my life commit suicide. The pain and devistation their taking of their own lives caused continues to have ramifications to their friends and family today. Its something that never ever goes away, and for some its impossible to reconcile themselves with what happened.

    I cannot and will not ever believe it is either the best or only course of action to solve the pains and troubles of one's life.

    Its an intensely selfish act, with no thought to the pain that is left behind.

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    I nicknamed my mom Suicide on a Stick because she lives like she's dead. It's mean, but so is she.
    Some people have an impulse to fight to survive, & they find a way to live with burdens or obstacles. Others don't. It's hard to see them suffer. But you know what, some situations coddle people who are too weak and lazy to go through self-improvement that CAN cure them from conditions that can lead to suicide.
    Some situations are appropriate for suicide: long-suffering terminal illness, facing certain captivity & torture, and scenarioes such as what the people on top of the World Trade Center towers faced on 9/11. (My sister & I had a long discussion about whether those suicides fell under "taboo suicide" religious dogma.)
    That's my 2 cents, but I love Lena's post much better.

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    i just don't see death as a negative thing, cuz i've been clinically dead a few times, so have a certain perspective
    I don't see death as a bad thing either. I had a friend tell me once that life is the process of dying and I sort of agree. I'm not afraid to die. However, no matter how depressed I ever got I've never actually wanted to kill myself. I've wished I was dead but never wanted to kill myself.

    I had a therapist as a teen my parents sent me to. They were worried I was going to kill myself because I had a lot of trouble with depression growing up. The therapist asked me "What if you kill yourself and then where you go is worse and you can't come back?" I've never forgotten that. I don't know what it would be like once I died. If I knew it would be eternal bliss, hell yeah, I'd shoot myself tonight and get my friends and family to do it with me. But somehow I am not convinced. For some reason I was born into this world and so was everyone else. I didn't choose to be born and I won't choose to die either.

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    Suicide is like taking the bullet train and life is like walking
    ...they both help you reach the same destination but one gets you there a lot fuckin quicker.
    Walking with death by your side means(IMO) that you no longer fear it, you accept that one day in some form or another you're going to die, so you welcome it
    Is suicide wrong? I don't think so, in fact I wear a suicidal tendencies tattoo proudly..in my youth it was more than a band tattoo it was my way of life( I was committing suicide slowly back then). Nowadays I've come to realize I have a purpose in this hellhole we call life, and I'm not ready to take the journey that death promises. When my time comes, be it by my hand or other means, I'll welcome death with open arms...and hope I die with honour

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    I try to look at my life as a "gift" that was given to me by a higher power. I ask for direction and openings and closings of doors where need be. I feel a lot of times like I am suffering but many influential people have suffered as well. We can speculate what the afterlife might be but nothing is proven. Read the book or watch the movie "What Dreams May Come". It's very fictional but does give some insight on the affects of suicide.

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    ive had depression since i was 13 and get suicidal on and off, its very hard to live with. for da people who think its 'da most selfish thing, wota asshole' well u dont know wot ur talking bout till to u've lived wit wot its like, please dont judge wen u have no idea. thanks for ur board pissymissy good to see everyones different opintions

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahzSexy
    ive had depression since i was 13 and get suicidal on and off, its very hard to live with. for da people who think its 'da most selfish thing, wota asshole' well u dont know wot ur talking bout till to u've lived wit wot its like, please dont judge wen u have no idea. thanks for ur board pissymissy good to see everyones different opintions
    I don't want to seem super critical or anything but...holy crap this post is hard to understand

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    kinda out of topic but ...has anyone had near death experiences...? i d pay alot to have a glimpse of the other side... the tunnel with the light ,,, the people u see....

    it could be just a chemical process of the dying brain?
    or is really a door to another dimension?

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