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    i've recently taken over a UPSCALE club in Floirda, The club is by far the best around as in presentation, most of our girls are gorgeous but the GM i replaced was on a anything with legs hiring policy, I want to begin a weight and appearance standard for my girls, now thats easy to do with new girls, just dont hire them but as far as the girls who have been here longer than me, HOW CAN I LET THESE GIRLS KNOW THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE UPON THEIR PERSONAL APPEARENCE OR THEY ARE GONE WITHOUT INSULTING THEM? I WANT TO DO IT AS POLITICALY CORRECT AS POSSIBLE EVEN THOUGH I AM AWARE THIS IS A LOSE LOSE SITUATION, I AM GOING TO BE THE DICK NO MATTER HOW I APPROACH THIS.


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    I would agree that you will come off as a dick no matter how you approach this. I agree that having some basic standards are good, but be extremely wary of going too far with them. Make sure particularly when it comes to weight, to go by how she looks, not a number. No two girls are going to carry the same number of lbs the same. Make sure you also dont miss out on some fantastic money making personalities simply because they dont quite fit what you're looking for. There is no easy way to go about this, but hopefully you are being honest about trying to find the nicest way possible to do so.

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    Default Re: Question for dancers?? weight/ appearance restrictions

    uh.. oz is upscale?

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    of course it is, pinellas county cenrtaly located close to the interstate, their isnt a club even close to our's (dollhouse aside) as far as appearance, why would you not consider it upscale?
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    Different Men like different types of women. It might be some men that comes to your club and want girls with meat. You never know!!! But I have a question for everybody. When you tell a girl that she is too big for a job, isnt that discrimination? I think it might be? But if it is she can sue!!

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    independant contractor and the lease agreements it says we can terminate the contract at anytime with NO EXPLANATION
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    I think you should see how much money they make first, before you kick them out over a little weight issue. At least give everybody a chance. Let them know they need to lose a couple of pounds and i gurantee you they will lose it!!! But if they decide not to they might go to another club that will appreciate them a little more!! Give them a chance. They cant be THAT fat.

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    i am going to have a meeting friday letting the entertainers know we are going to an appearence and weight standard, i will then call each individual entertainer who i feel needs to step up their looks into the opffice over the next week and if it's hair and makeup they'll have to abide immediately, if it's weight i will give them 30 days to meet the standard, i am going to be as polite as possible, and yes i know every girl wears weight differently, the bottom line is beautiful entertainers are attracted to clubs with beautiful entertainers and thats draws in more cash flow, our club already draws in more people and dollars than any other club in pinellas county, so tweeking it a little bit will help us elevate to the standards of nearby tampa were some clubs keep a scale in the office.
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    Default Re: Question for dancers?? weight/ appearance restrictions

    hmmm I am curious to see what these dancers look like.

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    the majority of our girls are gorgeous, we have a couple that slipped between the cracks. not anything overwhelming.
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    Default Re: Question for dancers?? weight/ appearance restrictions

    its been a couple of months since I last saw oz - but i wasn't that impressed. I didn't think it was anything close to dollhouse.

    Now, as for the situation, here is my opinion:
    Unless the girls are seriously unattractive, it would be pretty fucked up for you to fire them right after another dude hired them. Now, you can change the hiring standard, and only hire good looking girls, and that will weed out the girls that "need work" in your opinion. If a club is full of 9's and 10's, the girls that are 4's and 5's will not be able to compete (without doing extras, which you as a manager should be monitoring), and they will leave on their own.

    At the same time, if the girl presents herself well, is charismatic and has a dynamic personality with a following of regulars, you'd be out of your mind to tell her to leave because she is carrying a couple of extra pounds or whatever.

    I'm not sure the degree to which you think these girls need work, so it's hard for me to really 'assess' the situation, but if we are talking about a little tweaking - just encourage the girls to put more effort into their appearance. Require them to wear gowns - that will get rid of trash quick.
    I fully believe that dancers should care about their appearance - this IS a looks based industry... and good business women will work to have a good overall presentation. But I think there are exceptions, and the conditions under which these girls were hired should come into play here.

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    i was referring to the over all club presentation as to what i meant by comparative to dollhouse, the interior of the club is excellent, everything else will come into play.
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    While it is true that men like women of all types,men that go into upscale places only like a select few types.I can totally understand why the appearance restrictions.Best of luck to you.
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    I agree that putting a number on your weight requirements would be dumb. As it was said before, everyone carries thier weight differently. As long as you're porportional and toned, who cares how much you weigh?

    Instead of saying, "you have to be X lbs if you're X height" just tell 'em you'll be giving those who may have become too comfortable a chance to improve on themselves before you start cleaning house. Then pull the "problem" entertainers aside and tell them what you need them to do and ask them how long they need to do it. Let them go if no effort is given or improvement is seen with the invitation to return once they've achieved the desired apperance.

    As far as makeup standards, if they don't improve after discussing it with the ladies, you may want to hire a makeup artist. Do a hair and makeup check before the girls are allowed to hit the floor.

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    There is no real good way to do this and not have all your dancers pissed at you. Don't bring this up at the meeting. Just talk privately with the girls you feel have a problem. Public humiliation is not a good management policy.

    If you have a problem with how a dancer does her hair/ makeup, make sure you have a stylist and/or makeup artist available to help those dancers. If you don't like the wardrobe of some dancers, make sure you have a costume lady that sells quality and classy outfits. If you don't like a dancer's body shape, have a corporate account set up at a local health club, so that the dancers who do need help have an affordable place to get it.

    Don't just leave the girls hanging in the breeze, offer solutions. I would be willing to bet that the dancers who are overweight would rather be thinner (most women do) but just don't know how to change things about themselves.


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    Paris said pretty much everything I wanted to say.

    I would also agree that you should be slow to fire girls that were previously hired, but don't hire any new girls that don't fit your standards. One thing I'd encourage you to do is tell girls you didn't hire why you didn't hire them -- is it bad makeup? untoned body? ratty hair? bad attitude?
    If they know what the problem is and they're really motivated to work for your club, you may end up with a hot dancer on your hands a few weeks or months down the road.

    We have a makeup artist/stylist in house for the first few hours of every night (you just need to pay them a hourly wage and ask the girls to tip them to cover their supplies and time), and our housemoms are huge helps with costuming: one mom sells clothes, shoes, accessories and jewelry; one mom is big into burlesque and can alter almost anything on the fly (she has a sewing maching and a serger in a corner of the dressing room); and our third mom makes and sells custom dresses. Even if the mom who sells clothing isn't working on a given night, there a price tags on everything, so whoever is working in the cage can sell stuff and put the tags of sold stuff and the cash in her cashbox.
    This means that while the managers have veto power over wardrobe and styling of girls who are working, there are plenty of ways to fix the problem pretty immediately.

    Also, try to resist the urge to clean house and go from a regular club to a 9s and 10s gown club in a week. It will take a while to get the girls and customers used to the changes, so implement the dress code changes immediately and let the girls who can't cut it and customers who aren't up for it cull themselves out.

    One last little comment: if a hottie has a terrible attitude and pisses your customers off, she's probably bringing in less business than a kind-of pretty girl who has a wonderful attitude, a good sales pitch, and some regulars. Attitude is often more important than appearance, though a good package never hurts.

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    Here is (I think) the best idea. Don't.
    What a dancer looks like doesn't ultimately matter to you. What matters is how much customers like her (and we all know that these things frequently, but do not inevitably, intersect). This will be frequently reflected in the dances she sells. Most american clubs have a %age or, worse yet a quota system. If they are not making you enough money, that could be a viable reason for firing them. It is also a viable reason for approaching them and saying that they are not doing very well, and making some positive suggestions. If they are doing well - well, then, you are obviously wrong. And no offense, but you wouldn't be the first manager to mistakenly think that he knows more about what makes dancers successful than the dancers do.

    I appreciate that you may be trying to create a certain "ambience" - however, you could a) be wrong (as I said) b) some girls are very, very well liked despite not being the prettiest girl in the club and c)if, as you say, MOST of the girl already conform to the ambience you want to create, one oddity won't kill it. Like if there are 9 "10s" and 1 "4", a customer is not going to see the "4" and walk out.

    Incidentally - what you are doing is not "being fair." It is NOT fair to hire someone under certain criteria and then unilaterally change it 6 months later. That would not be fair in any other work environment, and it's not in this one.
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    But don't forget that first impressions are lasting impressions.

    If someone is trying to make a club upscale and attract high rolling customers that will pay a premium for dances and liquor, then the atmosphere of the club must justify the extra expense.

    There needs to be an element of exclusivity to the club, from the decor to the quality of the food and beverages offered to the quality of the women featured. Otherwise, what is to keep them from going down the road to a dive where the costs are lower across the board and they may be able to get extras?

    Having better quality dancers means sticking to 8's, 9's & 10's that are naturally good looking, take care of themselves and know how to present themselves to be as attractive as possible. Customers should come through the door and be "wowwed" by the dancers. Having mostly 8's - 10's with a few 6's & 7's might work, but having a bunch of 6's & 7's with a few 4's thrown in will send upscale customers for the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Here is (I think) the best idea. Don't.
    What a dancer looks like doesn't ultimately matter to you. What matters is how much customers like her (and we all know that these things frequently, but do not inevitably, intersect). This will be frequently reflected in the dances she sells. Most american clubs have a %age or, worse yet a quota system. If they are not making you enough money, that could be a viable reason for firing them. It is also a viable reason for approaching them and saying that they are not doing very well, and making some positive suggestions. If they are doing well - well, then, you are obviously wrong. And no offense, but you wouldn't be the first manager to mistakenly think that he knows more about what makes dancers successful than the dancers do.

    I appreciate that you may be trying to create a certain "ambience" - however, you could a) be wrong (as I said) b) some girls are very, very well liked despite not being the prettiest girl in the club and c)if, as you say, MOST of the girl already conform to the ambience you want to create, one oddity won't kill it. Like if there are 9 "10s" and 1 "4", a customer is not going to see the "4" and walk out.

    Incidentally - what you are doing is not "being fair." It is NOT fair to hire someone under certain criteria and then unilaterally change it 6 months later. That would not be fair in any other work environment, and it's not in this one.
    I pretty much agree with all this. Some customers (even the ones who go to higher-end clubs) may be intimidated by extremely beautiful women, or even if they aren't intimidated, they may just prefer more natural, girl next door types. There are many "thick" girls who do well at the club I work at, because some guys prefer that (even the high-rollers). Not everyone wants a stick with boobs. If a girl has a pretty face and makes money, why get rid of her just because she's not as thin as you think she should be. Obviously the customers like her if she's making money. It's better to have a "5" who's extremely friendly and outgoing than a "9" who walks around with her nose in the air. Before you set any ultimatums, give it a couple weeks to see who's making money, who's selling dances and VIPs, and who's not. Then talk to the girls who aren't making money and tell them what they should do to change themselves to bring in more money: tone up a bit, become more outgoing and friendly, etc. Sure, get rid of a girl if she's definetely overweight/not good looking at all, but give everyone a chance at least. If a girl is making tons of money and getting tons of dances, don't tell her to lose weight, because obviously the guys like her the way she is.
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    The weight thing is just illogical. 130 pounds of pure muscle looks so much better than 110 pounds of flab. Plus, you need to realize that your customers do not all share your taste in nekkid girls. Many older gentlement prefer a Marilyn Monroe type body. By having only one type of girl, you'll be limiting your customer base AND offending a lot of girls that could be making you money. Why not institute a sales quota?



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    Recruit hot classy girls that can make more money than them they will comform to the standard if they want to make any money. Find 10 extremely hot but diverse girls.

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    I went to a club full of 2's-5's with potential I'm not a perfect 10 myself but I looked WAY better than they did merely because I put more time into myself(weight,makeup,clothing and dance style.) After about of month of banking everytime I went in there ,one by one the girls developed my style and better dance techniques. Irritating at first( I thought it was going to mess up my money) but now that I think about it(and it didn't change my money) it was a really nice compliment. I took a few moves I didnt know from them as well. Girls want to make money show them what works and they will do it. Don't tell them anything that would hurt their feelings though

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