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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    The little speech by Fancygirl is perfect. It's polite, it gets the point across and it gives the reason why not. I love it.

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    and how many customers care enough about a random dancer they've never seen before enough to talk that long to her?

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    I always preferred up-front. That way it gave me that much more time to move onto the next big spender!
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by fancygirl
    If the girl isn't your type:
    "Wow, my friend Bob would be absolutely in love with you and I know if he was here now I wouldn't see him for the rest of the night; though I can see you're an absolutely lovely girl, I'm more into blondes/redheads/tiny little girls/ big voluptuous maidens/whatever."

    okay, so if you're answer is initially no but you're open to being persuaded after seeing her work the club, add:
    "But, I'd hate to seem close minded. So I'm going to keep an eye on you, and I'd love for you to come back and ask me later after I've seen you on stage. If anyone could change my preference for blondes, I think you might be it."

    ^^this tells her no, but still compliments her by having your imaginary friend thinking she's a goddess (a silly indirect compliment that acknowledges that though she may not be YOUR type, you know she's gorgeous enough to be someone else's), telling her she's lovely, and by saying that she just might change your mind if only you could see her stage routine.
    And if you see her on stage and she doesn't change your mind, but comes up later to ask, just say "that was a great stage, but I think I'll stick with my blondes for tonight. I'll be sure to bring in Bob next time." A fiver wouldn't hurt at this point, but if not, at least you weren't leading her on or being rude.
    True, but I'm not writing a dissertation in the club. You know what I mean?

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox
    Honest mistake, but if you're going to have a fit over it, word your poll properly.
    LOL

    whatever... your opinion regarding the topic of the thread is appreciated...

    oh that's right, you didn't give one...

    my mistake, if that's how you want to think of it

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Oh c'mon now people.

    If you walked up to me and I said :
    "Wow, my friend Casual would be absolutely in love with you and I know if he was here now I wouldn't see him for the rest of the night; though I can see you're an absolutely lovely girl, I'm more into redheads But, I'd hate to seem close minded. So I'm going to keep an eye on you, and I'd love for you to come back and ask me later after I've seen you on stage. If anyone could change my preference for blondes, I think you might be it."

    Your bullshit meter would go right through the roof. Allthought it'd probably get a good laugh. If she was in work mode, she'd have turned away right after she found out bob's wallet wasn't there either.

    Well I guess if you said it like the micromachine guy you'd have said it all before she broke eye contact and started to emit a fowel odor detailing the fact that her seal of freshness is expiring.
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    Your bullshit meter would go right through the roof. Allthought it'd probably get a good laugh. If she was in work mode, she'd have turned away right after she found out bob's wallet wasn't there either.
    No, it really wouldnt' Mast. I've actually had a customer tell me exactly what Fancy wrote. You know what he did, he actually brought his friend in and his friend is now a regular of mine. That's what friends are for right







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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    ^^ Right, but that's cause he wasn't LYING.

    Fancy's description assumes an imaginary friend. And I know, though you listened, you didn't believe a word he said till he walked in with his friend. Even tho the let down was a little more polite. Which, I guess, was the point, but if the person is, in fact, imaginary, seems like a little cowardly to me.... but that's just me. However I handle turn aways the best possible way, with money. 5 bucks for a failed approach allows me to say 'Not right now, Thank you though *anime smile*' and institute the same level of future interest. (unless it's a wannadance? club)


    On a side note, what if the dancer keeps looking for this guy's imaginary friend in repeated visits? Perhaps it delay's the inevitable and tho she's not insulted immidiatly, when she finds out the friend is, in fact, imaginary, wouldn't you all say something like "Why couldn't he just say No instead of make up some dude who doesn't exist? What an ass?" I think if you sans the friend bit, it's an ok let down with no money.

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    and how many customers care enough about a random dancer they've never seen before enough to talk that long to her?
    Agreed. A polite "no thank you sweetie" would get the same message across with a hell of a lot of less breath.

    Besides, I need to save my good CS lines for the gals I do like.
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    I just wish you customers would give the reason more often. That way I know if I'll never be your type no matter what or if it's fixable for the future (like today your broke, or I need to lose/gain a couple pounds, or you already comitted to dancing with someone else today). I do get curious, especially on slower days, when I wonder why a guy turned me down but danced with almost every other girl there.

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    I don't think it's wasting anyone's time to have a two-minute small talk conversation that ends in the customer not buying a dance... case in point, the occasions where the original poster ended up buying a dance from a girl he wasn't initially considering.

    Let her make her pitch.
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    Be upfront, at least look at me when you say no, but make it quick, my momentum was one of the my best skills in dancing, I could just keep going......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikin
    True, but I'm not writing a dissertation in the club. You know what I mean?
    "Wow, my friend Bob would be absolutely in love with you and I know if he was here now I wouldn't see him for the rest of the night; though I can see you're an absolutely lovely girl, I'm more into blondes/redheads/tiny little girls/ big voluptuous maidens/whatever."
    "But, I'd hate to seem close minded. So I'm going to keep an eye on you, and I'd love for you to come back and ask me later after I've seen you on stage. If anyone could change my preference for blondes, I think you might be it."

    ^^wow, that's a dissertation? you mean I get my PhD now? SaaWEEET!!!


    Mast: you're right, you could keep out the friend completely, but a bunch of the guys seem like they're not up to telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'd want the guys to tell me if I'm not their type as long as they do it politely. But if they don't want to be upfront they can make up "Bob" as long as they aren't going to the club all the time (which would bring up the fact that Bob was imaginary). But if they do make it up the first thing, hopefully they will bring back friends so that the girls in the club (and it might not be that ONE girl) will make more money.
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by red red red
    I don't think it's wasting anyone's time to have a two-minute small talk conversation that ends in the customer not buying a dance... case in point, the occasions where the original poster ended up buying a dance from a girl he wasn't initially considering.
    True if the gal is on the "maybe" list. If she's an absolute "no", then well, she's wasting her time, and quite possibly mine.

    I'll let her make her pitch, but I'd just as soon she make it short and sweet, particularly if my eye catches somebody else because as long as she's at my table, nobody else is going to approach. In those instances, two minutes can seem like an eternity.
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    I agree with the consensus that the "no thanks" message needs to be given (in whatever form) sooner than later. In the Arizona clubs that I frequent, table to table hustle is the name of the game, and this is never more true than in the first few seconds of a song start. The dancers know there is a brief window of opportunity before customers start rejecting them because too much of the song has played for them to get their "money's worth", or they ask them to wait until the next song, which then turns that song into opportunity lost for the dancer.

    If I don't plan to get a dance, I want that dancer to have every opportunity to get one from someone else before that window described above closes. The best way to do this is to smile, be polite, and direct. Long explanations take too long and the meter's running!

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    If I'm at a home club I'm there to see a fav. If anyone who's not a fav sits down I very politely tell them I'm waiting for another dancer. Once in a while I get attitude but more often they thank me and tell me to have a great time.

    When I travel it's a bit different. I want to see everyone before I make any dance buying decisions. I will use the dreaded " maybe later" line with a girl that interests me but qualify it by telling the dancer that it's my first visit to the club and I want to get the lay of the land. Again, most dancers appreciate this.
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    Well it depends I guess. Some dancers are a definite "Yes!" Those are the girls that I'll grab by the hand and lead to the private dance area before they're even done talking. Other dancers are in the "maybe" category. They may not be my physical type, but something about them catches my interest; whether it is their smile, eyes, personality, stage show, or a goofy sense of humor. "Maybe" girls will get a little longer to make their pitch, because the right word, phrase, or touch just might convince me to give them a try. With dancers that are in the "No way, not ever” group, I'll give a polite, “No thanks" as soon as I can without seeming rude. No reason to waste their time as well as mine.
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    For those that are not either initially attractive or 'beyond hope' to me for dancing purposes, I have a plan. (Given that I do have the time for a short chat and money for a few dances...) I'll let her do a pitch with my questions, and depending on how much I anticipate the 'mileage', I might have that dance or three just to satisfy curiosity after a short chat. I have had some unexpected fun that way, no sex just teasing, and have returned for her another day.
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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    For me, it usually depends on how I'm approached. If her first words are "wanna dance?" I have no problem replying with a polite "no thank you." If she opens with small talk like asking how my evening is going, if i'm enjoying the show, etc., I only feel it's polite to at least have the courtesy to speak to her for a moment. If I have no intention of buying, I will make sure to make an obvious insinuation of that fact if she has not asked the question after one song. In any case, I'll give her an opportunity to make her pitch just for at least making an effort. Sometimes, I end up buying a dance from a girl I may not have otherwise.

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    I'd say- if the club is moving like molasses, let me make my pitch, even for a few minutes (unless talking to me would be just soooo annoying...haha, there are customers at my club, the wave-me-off ones, who give me that look...I'd like to tell them- if you *don't* want pretty girls approaching you, try a regular bar!)-- on the chance I might change your mind.

    However, if it's busy, and girls are making bank off the 'wanna dance' routine (because the demand for dances is high), then a "no thanks" is great. I can just move on to the next and not lose money or inertia.

    I dunno, personally (maybe because I am used to so many jerky customers in this region? this region where $5 for stage, all night, is unusually high?) I never get offended by being waved off. Ok, so I might mutter "asshole" inaudibly as I turn away if the guy is unnecessarily rude, but I actually like the guys who cut off my introduction to say "no thanks" better than those who say "I'm waiting for someone" when they are clearly not (ie- I say "oh, well what's her name- I'll go get her for you" and they say "no, she's busy now" or whatever). I don't like the lazy lies. If you don't like blondes, just tell me that!

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    positively I will ask her if she wants to drink a soda.....then I'll start to talk about her life as a showgirl.....some bonding. If I like her attitude and if she is not cold I'll buy a dance.
    It's TOO BAD SHE'LL won't LAST, BUT then again WHO DOES!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkkitten
    I just wish you customers would give the reason more often. That way I know if I'll never be your type no matter what or if it's fixable for the future (like today your broke, or I need to lose/gain a couple pounds, or you already comitted to dancing with someone else today). I do get curious, especially on slower days, when I wonder why a guy turned me down but danced with almost every other girl there.
    Ugh! While I totally respect Pinkkitten's opinion, I would HATE it if I asked a customer to dance and he told me I needed to lose or gain a couple of pounds, or made any other critique on my appearance. This is the kind of thing that could ruin a dancer's day.

    Also, please don't make up an imaginary friend who would totally spend a fortune on me but isn't here today so please leave now. Talk about confusing. IMO, the less said the better. When I ask for a dance, just tell me yes or no and be as polite about it as you would be to anyone else if you were in their workplace. I don't really care why you don't want a dance. I just want to move on and find someone who does.

    Now, if a dancer chooses a very soft-sell approach and sits with you for one or two songs before asking for a dance, I don't think it's your responsibility to cut her off. I use this approach often, especially on a slow day, and I know that if a customer doesn't want a dance, I'm the one who decided to spend my time talking to him. It a risk I'm willing to take, though, since five minutes of my scintillating conversation should be enough to win you over for life.

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    Default Re: Don't waste her time vs let her make her pitch

    time is $$$ so i voted dont waste her time

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    I would rather you just tell me no thank you. I don't like when a customer tells me not right now but they mean no. Just tell me no so I can leave you alone and find someone else. Cold but true. I'm in sales, you gonna get some no' s.

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    I would like to hear "No thank you." You can tell me why too...AS LONG AS IT IS NOT NEGATIVE!

    I haven't gotten very much bad feedback... but,I have gotten stupid stuff like "you are too thin!!!" Or, "You are not my type." Well fuck dude... neither are you... I am here to make a sale.

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