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    It's not just sick or old horses. They also round up wild horses, & horses that are sold @ auctions. They might just have a few minor health problems.




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    95% of horses slaughtered are healthy horses who just happend to lose a race or a competition. Horse slaugher is actually becoming more common now insted of being 'backed off'.
    Now I might get flamed but im going to throw in my two cents on this. I have trained horses most of my life, was an exercise jockey for both flat racers and harness racers. And I have worked in some of the top competition barns in the area.
    I do not agree with slaughering young and healthy horses, there are many other options for these horses who just happend to lose.
    Now I do agree with slaughtering a horse who is to lame to live in comfort, some will never be able to comfortably live even as a pasture horse, and buting them to live just causes liver failure in the long term. Some people can not afford to 'nerv' a horse(when you cut the nerv endings in their feet) this surgry costs over a grand. And to humanly put a horse down costs even more when you take in transport fees for the dead body.
    The only thing that disturbes me about the slaughter prosses is the fact that these horses will often arrive at the slaughter yard dehydrated and broken from shoving 20 horses in a trailer.
    Now they are cleaning up the act of transportation and the 'holding area' and it is about time. I think once they make the process a lot more humane I will agree a little more with slaughter.
    Oh and the myth of the only horses who get slaughtered are old skiny horses who are sick... well its just that, a myth. It is illegal to slaughter a sick horse and most slaughter houses will not take in a skiny horse because there is no meat on it.

    I dont have time to go into this more, but I will later.

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    Thank you for your imput, Cally.


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    Thanks for posting this. It's just so hard for me to understand how a human being can inflict pain on an animal......it's just sick, completely sick.

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    You're welcome. Btw, a belated thank you for that info you pm'd me a while back.
    anyway, 2 other links: www.barntowire.com , clik on horse slaughtering in IL. Also, justsaywhoa.org run by a great lady in TX she sells tshirt & bumper stickers to support the cause. There is also another link I'm not exactly sure of the address, www.horsekillers.com, org? It's run by a group called SHARK, showing animals respect & kindness.

    The animal's flesh is shipped to Asian & European countries for human consumption, it sells for $20.00 a lb.


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    Look for local shelters and sanctuaries, many take in PMU mares and foals and need all the help they can get. I know lots of people here have a fondness for these beautiful creatures and this is a great way to put that to good use. Volunteer to groom/exercise/feed/muck for the shelter if monetary donations are beyond your capacity. I can't even begin to tell you how wonderful it is to help socialize the little ones...



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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    I can't even begin to tell you how wonderful it is to help socialize the little ones...
    ^yes, not only that, horses have been used to work with autistic children/adults. I have also seen them used in actual physical therapy with a physically hanidcapped little girl. She was in a wheelchair, she began riding on a lead with a gentle older horse. She gained much confidence from riding, is now walking with a cane/alone.


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    Theraputic riding is amazing. I used to work with CARD(the program here) and it does wonders for disabled children/adults. The way the persons hips move when sitting on a horse simulates the way their hips would move for walking so it helps strengthen the muscles. It can also help bring around autistic children/adults because its something they can really get into and the horses will try to understand the person. Watching this program is amazing, just to see what a horse can do for these people.

    I really cant get more into the slaughter because I know I will be jumped all over for it(my opinions on horse slaughter piss a lot people off). I will say though I agree with slaughtering to a certian extent because I have done my re-search on it, I have worked on farms that have sent horses to slaughter that had no other choise in life and I know what goes on in the better run slaughter houses.

    I just ask you all to do some extensive re-search on it before jumping ahead on your decisions. Yes these are beautiful, smart, graceful animals. But for some owners they have no other choice for a perminatly lame horse that they cant afford the surgry for, and in some cases of lameness nothing except putting the animal to sleep will work to ease their pain and suffering.

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    ^^ perhaps the term "euthanasia" is more suitable here...rather than "slaughter".

    a euthanized animal is always better off than one that suffers in agony.

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    Kin if you read my earlier post though. To have a horse put down costs close to over over a thousend dollars. Not everyone can afford it and not every vet will give you a 'payment plan'. Or for the larger farms that have anywhere from 20 - 200 horses... imagine paying $1000 or more everytime a horse chipped a bone or what not.

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    Also the option of slaughtering a lame run down horse a lot of times will save these horses from ending up in some abusive home. I've seen it, its not pretty.

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    ^^^ it's too bad that the cost may be prohibitive.

    i am categorically against hurting horses. i have no experience with them, except to say they seem to be very smart animals. and we should treat intelligent animals with at least a little more respect than we do a chicken.

    even worse than "slaughtering" i think is the new trend of making horses fight and bite one another in a ring for public enjoyment. now that is inhumane and I am ashamed to be a human being every time I see this.

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    I really think people should do a little more re-search before basing a public opinion on this. Unless you have worked in the industry, have delt with horses on a regular basis or have a least read extensivly into the market, you have no valid opinion IMO.

    I have never once sent one of my own horses for slaughter, and honestly, I never will because when I own horses I always make sure I have enough money for a 'in case of emergency' situation. Yes, before buying a horse I put money aside for a humane death. I train event horses, cross country is dangerous and there is always a chance your horse will break a leg.

    Anyway, not everyone is smart enough for this back up money so they will let their horses suffer and live a life of pain, or they will send them for slaughter which puts them out of their missery.

    Slaughter is like abortion, no one will ever agree.

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    It's legal, and it sucks, period. Where do we draw the fuckin line between animal abuse and NOT. We can't if the Government says it's fine to go to slaughter, and it is....crazy jerks. It's a slow process for the animals, they feel fear, they bleed red, they cry, and yes they die a slow horrid death.....Ok, and this shit is STILL legal. We can keep convicts on death row for EVER who KILLED innocent people. But we can't spend our money to help animals out in a humane way when needed??????? Gosh it must take a person who is more than human to figure that one out!

    Society is fucked up.

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    Cally, my sentiments in many ways run similar to yours. I have also worked with horses much of my life. My opinion is such that, as far as mammals go, I love horses, but really they are no smarter than cows. And for consistency's sake, to protest the slaughter of horses but not cows...

    And I understand many of you are vegetarians. I understand the ethics behind that, and used to be one myself (for health reasons I now eat fish and chicken, but not to get into that).

    For my two cents, it often is more cruel to keep an animal alive for selfish purposes (flogging an all but dead horse, propped up on bute as Cally said, just so they can keep trucking around circles for human pleasure, ehhh) than to let it die.

    Personally, I could never send a horse of my own off to slaughter, because it would seem like a betrayal to me of a partnership. However, I think we need to understand that many horse breeders raise horses like livestock, and that insofar as they treat them with proper care (ensuring their lives are comfortable) AND that they don't suffer needlessly when being sent for meat (it can be done humanely, and be made basically as painless as a needle- that it often isn't is a needless tragedy, and just as disgusting as when it happens to cattle, poultry, pigs, etc)---- well, in these cases horse slaughter is no more morally culpable than any other animal slaughter.

    I'm not sure I can agree that horses are (from an objective point of view- as stated, I personally won't eat red meat) inherently any more sacred than pigs or cows.

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    Maybe they should make fewer horses, like they call for 'fixing' of dogs and cats. Do they just breed them for racing like greyhounds?
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    well this is close to my heart as i just got a slaughter resue. i really have a hard time hearing from girls that have been around and love horses saying there is no other choice sometimes. that is BULLSHIT and you should be ashamed of yourselfs. when you take on an animal ANY animal you are responsible for their care and well being as long as you own that animal. so sorry that humane euthanisa is expensive. that is your responsiblity. to send a horse off to that fate and what they endure before they reach the plant is reprehensible. do you realise that there are only two plants in the us that process meat? the others are in canada and mexico. have you ever watched a video of what they do to those horses. a very far cry from humane. not to mention the hours and days on a truck to reach said plants. here is something for you to consider..... http://www.justsaywhoa.org/photos.asp.

    do irresponsible breeders have fault in this? absolutly but the average person that sends off a horse that has been usefull companion to a horrible fate has failed that animal.

    to the person that says a horse is no smarter than a cow. i'm speechless have you really been around both? i doubt it with that statement. and of course. there will be the argument... well you eat meat right? a horse is a COMPANION animal and was never intended for food (well in modern history anyway) people in the US do not eat horse meat.

    if anyone wants to see my beautiful mare that was in the meat pen. was someones show horse and is only 9 years old. see picture post.

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    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I love my horse, but I've loved the steers I was close with in 4H club as well. Honestly, ask any vet- or look up the anatomy. A cow and a horse are of comparative mental capacity. No one likes to see it that way, but it's the truth (a horse's brain is the size of a pea- and really, I love them to death, but as trainable as they are, genius they are not). Horses are loveable, sometimes courageous, and very loyal. So is a cow, if given the chance. Pigs are far and away smarter than either cows or horses, and they are treated outrageously in slaughter practices.

    Please consider the context of my post- as stated, I would never personally send off my own horse to slaughter. Ever. I agree, if you raise a horse, the animal is your responsibility, to the end- to do them injustice at that point is irresponsible and rather cold. And insuring horses is simple enough, so the price of euthanasia should not be a problem...

    But for that I speak for myself and other horse owners who do it for the love of the animal. Maybe this is my Alberta raised sensibility, but on business farms, all livestock are treated equally. When a cow can longer be bred, she is sent for meat. When a mare can no longer foal, and is too lame for riding- by what special right should the mare get to live and the cow die? Now I don't agree with the practice, but I can at least be objective enough to see the logic. And of course, as I said before, I disagree with cruel slaughter. But it need not be cruel, and it is not always like that. But cruel as it can be for horses, it's a lot worse for pigs and cattle. It's wrong to let calves freeze to death and get suffocated in shipping trucks, and it's wrong to give horses inadequate ventilating in their shipment as well. But a horse raised as livestock should get equal care (for a comfortable life and a painless death) as any other livestock animal.

    A horse that has been a riding companion for all of its life deserves to be treated as a partner to the end. Just like a pet pig should not be cruelly served as bacon. But please consider that many horses are not raised as companions. I've seen breeding mares too unbroken to be haltered. And there is nothing wrong with that- if those mares live comfortable lives, free to live in herds and be 'horses', totally unfettered by children hauling on their mouths or kicking their sides sore...to live free of that, to say 17 years of age or so, and then have a short end- well, that (like the life of cows) seems to be, from a herd animal's point of view, perhaps not so insanely unjust.

    I've always been of the opinion that school ponies live horrible lives, and one look at their pinned ears and sallow eyes...they way they bite and buck and swing around their haunches in their stalls- that is a tragedy, and cruel. And these are the poor brutes who founder, get bad lungs from always being inside, and end up being propped up on poisonous drugs (as Cally mentioned), just so they can cart abusive beginners around the same circle of arena dust three hours a day, until they colic or finally become too lame to stand up. But kids like to ride, and just love their ponies, and feed them lots of carrots, so no harm done apparently. But that's just my personal view.

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    My experience with this subject is not only limited but also purely anecdotal as I have not done any significant research on this topic. Nonetheless, I have looked into the eyes of a horse and those of a cow...and let me tell you even with my limited expertise with these animals, I can swear that a horse is smart, very smart. Looking into the eyes of a horse gives me a sense that I am making a connection with an intelligent being, almost like making eye contact with some human beings. The disturbing thing is I don't get that same feeling about all humans. There are many 'humans' amongst us who are just drifting, wasting their lives, and those are the ones that think they are so much above the rest of us. lmfao.

    In my opinion there is but one river of life, and all living beings get to drink a little from it. It doesn't belong to any one group. All living beings, especially intelligent ones, should be treated with dignity and respect.

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    I never onced mentioned that it is RIGHT to slaughter a horse. Read my post velvet because im sorry but this really upset me that you are pretty much attacking me for stating that SOME people just dont consider expences for putting a horse to sleep humanly. As I said I ALWAYS have the money set aside for said expence in case for some ungodly reason my horse needs to be put to sleep. I would NEVER send my own horse for slaughter but for some people who just dont have that money because they could never imagin putting their horse down until the time comes the horse can not live in comfort, well I would rather they send the horse for slaughter then feed them bute like candy or let them live a life of pain in a pasture or still being used for riding. I have been riding horses for 18 years and training them for almost 10 years. I know the love, happyness, companionship and great joys that come with being around these wonderful animals. But I have also seen the sadness, heartache and loss of money that comes with it.
    I think anyone who wants to own a horse should really be sent through some course or training before buying because really people are stupid and think they can live off hay and never have to see a vet or farrier.

    So consider this...

    Stupid person doesnt have money to humanly put a lame horse down that can not even stand in a pasture without extreme pain, say from nevicular. They can either let the horse stand there and suffer, or send it to slaughter. What would you rather see?

    And once again I WOULD NEVER SEND MY OWN FOR SLAUGHTER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cally

    Stupid person doesnt have money to humanly put a lame horse down that can not even stand in a pasture without extreme pain, say from nevicular. They can either let the horse stand there and suffer, or send it to slaughter. What would you rather see?

    And once again I WOULD NEVER SEND MY OWN FOR SLAUGHTER.
    If I were ever in that situation, I would put the animal down myself. I wouldn't send it to the slaughter house. Haveing the vet put it down, of coruse would be my first option, but if that was no available, then yes I would take the rifle to the barn, lovingly tell my best friend not to hate me for what I had to do, and that I would see him/her again in another place. I would thn shoot the horse though my tears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    Maybe they should make fewer horses, like they call for 'fixing' of dogs and cats. Do they just breed them for racing like greyhounds?
    Wow, I really touched off some nerves here.
    This post brings up an excellent point. From what I understand, horses are overbred. Yes, they should be bred less, like dogs, cats, etc. They are expensive to feed & care for. My feeling is, the slaughtering of them is wrong, especially the wild mustangs roaming the west, simply to feed a huge demand overseas for horsemeat.

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    [QUOTE=velvet] when you take on an animal ANY animal you are responsible for their care and well being as long as you own that animal. so sorry that humane euthanisa is expensive. that is your responsiblity. to send a horse off to that fate and what they endure before they reach the plant is reprehensible. said plants. here is something for you to consider..... http://www.justsaywhoa.org/photos.asp.

    Yes, so true & excellent point as well!


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    Yes horses are overbred, the biggest thing is a lot of breeders just keep breeding trying to find that right mix of blood lines, so you end up with all these cast aways and unwanted horses that go to people who think they can keep a horse for $50 a month(in reality to keep a top competition horse your looking at about $2000 a month all expences in, probably $800 for a back yard stable buddy) The most famous line that was over bred is the QH 'Impressive' line. They actually started inbreeding this line trying to keep the perfect line. He was a conformation stallion btw. Anyway by overbreeding this line they ended up coming up with HYPP which is a nervous system disease that causes seziours and a lot of other nasty things. A lot of HYPP + horses die by the time they are 2 or 3. The disease is being bred out of the line now but still a lot of people are trying to in breed the Impressive line because the horse had a near flawless conformation. QH breeders are brutal for inbreeding and trying to make that perfect conformation horse.

    Oh for another thing, laws have been made for the transportation of horses for slaughter, they can not overpack the trailor anymore, these horses MUST be watered every 6 hours for the trip and a lot of slaughter yards will not take over stressed horses anymore... apparently it 'ruins the meat' Also the slaughter yards will not take horses who are sick, dehydrated, broken bones caused during transport and horses on any steriod or medication.
    A lot of laws are being put forward to make this gross and disgusting thing more 'humane', and the yards are being carefuly watched to make sure they are following the laws. No slaughter will ever be painless. But I am going to agree with Molly... why are people trying to end this and not the slaughter of cows? Oh and cows are not as stupid as you think I worked at one farm that had over 500 cows... i know they are actually pretty smart animals as well... no one treats them that way though so they are portrayed as being stupid.

    Oh and for whoever said they would shoot their horse with a gun.... what are you going to do with the body? It is illegal to bury a horse on your farm property now. And the transport of the dead body is the biggest expence in putting your horse down. Also... a gun shot doesnt kill the horse right away, you will watch the horse go into seziours while his brain and heart are shutting down. So its still not humane.

    And once again because people seem to think im a heartless bitch... I would never slaughter my own animal, the only reason im not against it is because I have seen the pain and suffering some people will let their animals live through because they can not afford to have the vet end the horses suffering. It is heart breaking, even more so then watching a horse go through the slaughter process(which I have watched). When you look into this horses eyes you can see the pain and suffering, their coats will go dull, their ears flop down and they will lay down and refuse to move. Its heart breaking...

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    yea well maybe in canada but it is NOT regulated like you say. the trailers ARE overpacked. who are these mysterious people that check to make sure an animal is watered every 6 hours????
    if you have seen the pictures i have of horses here pulled out to the meat pen. you would know that they DO take VERY THIN stressed horses.

    you know, canadians do have plants. THE USA only has ONE now. there are many french in canada and they do eat horse. maybe thats why it isnt stigmatized as much as here. PEOPLE IN THE US DO NOT EAT HORSE


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