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    As recently as three of four years ago, the club I work at was one of the best in town. The club has managed to keep a (not totally undeserved) reputation for having pretty dancers and being a classy place, and still brings in some high rollers. It still has a veneer of class, but it's got a lot of bad-club symptoms: dancers walking around in mismatched bikini tops and bottoms, or not bothering to put their clothes back on after a private dance; drunk and stoned dancers; a peanut gallery of cheapskate regulars who come in and nurse a beer all afternoon without ever tipping the stage or buying a dance; a shrinking number of white-collar regulars; too much hip-hop music, and so on. I've only been at the club six months, but I've seen things getting worse and business slowing down even in that ammount of time. There's just a lot of bad energy in the place, and zero momentum. Even for a good hustler, selling dances is like pulling teeth.

    Now there's some reason to believe that things are changing. One of the old managers has been replaced, and the club had a mandatory dancer meeting yesterday, where they acknowledged all the problems above and laid out what they would do to fix things (clean the club more often, advertize more, throw more special events, enforce dress codes for dancers and customers) and what they expected us to do (dress nicely, lose weight, and stop doing extras.) They told us it might take a few months, but they were going to turn business around. That would be awesome, if management really does what they say they'll do, and if it really works. But I wonder how easy it will be to win back customers who've moved on to greener pastures, especially if the no-contact rules are enforced. There are a lot of customers right now who come in because the club is starting to have a reputation as an extras haven, so we'll lose that business. Not that that's much to complain about, from my point of view, but it's still money out the door.

    My question is, has anyone ever seen a club recover from a slump like this? What did it take? How long was it before business was good again. There are things about the club that I like, and I'd stay if I thought business would pick up in the near future, but if it's going to be like this much longer, there's no point in sticking around.

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    Hey girl i can tell you a little something out of my own experience...don't count on it!
    I'm not saying it WONT happen all i'm saying is that if they have lost their clientell already, the chances are THOSE one's have a serious reson for not coming back...and if you know business men at all you should know that they stick to their morals.

    As for the manager being replaced...there is your answer...if things have been bad since the new one started..the chances are it's gonna stay like that till they find another.

    From the sounds of what you've said, the only way they are gonna pick up their rep again is by relocating under a different name.

    i used to be a financial advisor in birmingham,uk and i worked for many clubs in this situation.
    My advice to you is to get away now...use this time to explore other clubs. Then in 6months to a year come back as a customer to check it out cause even if they do what they say they are gonna do, it's gonna take them at LEAST that long to see the results

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    My question is, has anyone ever seen a club recover from a slump like this? What did it take? How long was it before business was good again. There are things about the club that I like, and I'd stay if I thought business would pick up in the near future, but if it's going to be like this much longer, there's no point in sticking around.
    Yes, I have.

    One club turned around in three weeks. Another took an entire year, though!

    Mine I'm still not sure about, It seems like it's improving, but then it doesn't sometimes--but I'm in a foul mood today, lol...

    I'd have to say it's getting better, but we have had a lot of problems to deal with. We have finally gotten rid of most of the reject dancers, and the extras have decreased somewhat. There are a few more classy type customers as well. But it's been a hard fight.

    I had no idea it would be so much harder to do than the first time--but then that place was a potential goldmine. The only thing holding it back was the methhead manager, who was a carpenter to begin with (nothing against carpenters, my dad's a mason and a good man, but it's hardly a background for stripclub management).

    I blame management. Most of them are colossal morons. The club that took a year to turn around is a shithole again. Naturally they blame me, even though it went to shit in the month after I left, and has never been the same. That's the manager that has the entire club wired for sound, hidden mikes all over, etc.
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    Sugar's. It *IS* like pulling teeth to get dances there. Acks.fmsLKDGd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizlizliz
    Sugar's. It *IS* like pulling teeth to get dances there. Acks.fmsLKDGd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser

    I'd have to say it's getting better, but we have had a lot of problems to deal with. We have finally gotten rid of most of the reject dancers, and the extras have decreased somewhat. There are a few more classy type customers as well. But it's been a hard fight.
    Could you tell me a little more about these reversals? What did it take to get good customers back? Was it change on management's part? On dancer's part? What happened?

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    Yup, I knew it was The Bakery (Sugar's) before you were halfway through describing it. Is Stephanie still running the waitresses there? I've never had much fun there to be honest, it was almost impossible to find a quality dancer there, and my ex worked there, and I've done some non-dancer business there as well, so I've spent a good deal of time at the place.....

    What a shame, in 1996, first time I went there, it was the BEST club in town. Aaaah, there was a Kat there who was phenomenal.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    Could you tell me a little more about these reversals? What did it take to get good customers back? Was it change on management's part? On dancer's part? What happened?
    Well, it's going to sound cocky, but it was me, lol...

    In the first club the change was so sudden and dramatic, it was obvious. And it made me think I could do the same with similar ease anywhere--not true.

    The first club was always dead, in spite of being located right next to an aeronautical university with several thousand guys wealthy enough to be able to afford the high tuition and expensive flight training. As I said before, in three weeks they and others started coming in.

    The next club this happened in was a much greater challenge.

    I think what worked there was the team spirit, to use a trite phrase--that, and the selection of music to encourage the higher-spending, classier customers to keep coming back--and bring their friends.

    You might have six or seven tables full of guys. One of them has gentlemen sitting around it, with money and manners. The other tables have the sea slugs, the cocky assholes too cool to spend money on dancers, the guys who just want blow jobs, the thugs or drug dealers who might have money but are pissing off the rest of the customers.

    Guess which table I'm going to go ask what they want to hear? And which table I suggest the cooler dancers go hang out at?

    They like this. They come back. They tell their friends. Every time they come back I make a fuss over them, on the mike if they don't mind (ask first, some guys don't like it, but most love it). "Alright! We got Dave in the house...now we got a party!". When they tip the girls you say "Here we go, a gentleman who knows how to treat this sexy lady right! We always knew Dave was a gentleman. Like I say, all it takes is one dollar..."

    The managers in most clubs I have worked in did more harm than good, so we would have to band together and work around them--but carefully, so as not to set off their power-trip alarms, lol.

    But no one comes to a strip club to listen to the fucking DJ! They want to see good-looking, friendly dancers. So you treat those who are like gold. Make sure they are happy. Keep them from fighting with each other by playing diplomat. Buy them a drink and console them if they are depressed.
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    I really really hope that things can turn around there. I only lasted ONE night there because of those damn booths and the cheapskates. I had my worst night in Austin there, but if it could turn back into the high class place it is supposed to be, I might be willing to give it another try. Glad to hear that the managers are trying to change things. Keep us updated on the results! Only time will tell, but I think its possible.

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    This is off topic but Djoser please, please, please open a DJ school. What you just described is truly an example of helping the girls sell! So many DJs just run a computer playlist and swear they make the difference in our money. Your approach earns a fat percentage!

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    Personally, I would move to another club then 'check back' at this club in 6 months time. Of course you want to leave on generally good terms so the door will be open later down the track if the club improves however, it may take this long before things turn around.

    OTOH, it might be worth sticking it out however why waste precious money-earning time at a place that "might" improve... go to another place that is decent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    This is off topic but Djoser please, please, please open a DJ school.
    Oh yes...yes, PLEASE DJoser....help the rest of us learn to do this correctly. Forever and ever, AMEN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlinterupted
    I only lasted ONE night there because of those damn booths and the cheapskates.
    F%^&ing BOOTHS!!! There's no earthly reason to have booths like that unless the club WANTS to encourage extras. I will only dance in the front two booths that face into the room. Those back booths have no view in or out, which is just plain dangerous.

    Austin girls, would you mind telling me where you work and how business is doing? At Sugar's I can pull anywhere from $300-500 on a good dayshift and I'd like to make at least that much if I went somewhere else.

    Also, I've been thinking of checking out Dallas. Any Austin gals want to roadtrip?

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    Do you only do days, or are you just using that for reference? I used to do days at Palazio 6 months ago and it was impossible to make that much. P10 is where I've done the best consistently and dealt with the least crap. Anybody work at the Yellow Rose?

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    I've only worked days at Sugar's. I've heard Palazio is good at night, but pretty slow during the day. The club I hear the best things about is P10. Guess I should check it out, even though it's a long drive for me. I've never worked at the Rose, but Sugar's had an influx of YR girls a little while ago. They said the club pulls in a young crowd that just wants to drink, not buy dances. Also, I hear YR is or is about to be in some legal trouble. But you didn't hear that from me.

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    I forgot to add that I work nights at P10, so can only comment on the income potential then. Oh yea, I PM'd you about Dallas

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    Man, I think I'ma head to P10. I keep hearing great things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizlizliz
    Man, I think I'ma head to P10. I keep hearing great things.

    Me, too. Sorry, Girl, you're about to be swamped with refugees.

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    We already are, but if you can sell, it doesn't make a difference. Word to the wise: It's sloooow on the days that the 35 is detoured for roadwork. Last Saturday I got there and there were less customers than on a weeknight! It picked up later, but my night would have been blown if it wasn't for one customer.

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    In the late 90's I watched Roxy's in Lovejoy Il. double its gross by focusing on entertainer quality. Management can turn a club around, just like they can screw it up.

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    Yes, a club can turn around.

    Former managers were the problem, along with a dose of OWNER thrown in for bad measure.

    Now it's different. The owner is the same, but has put more faith in his managerial staff to make the right changes and enforce what is expected of the employees and entertainers.

    Bar and wait staff, DJ's, security, entertainers, managers. WE, are turning the club around.... considering the owner stopped advertising six months ago... We are doing well.

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    Glad to hear it, Night_Manager!

    Don't take offense to my manager bashing, you are obviously an exception to the rule as far as the ones I have dealt with--for one thing, you are literate and care enough to post here.

    Not all managers are bad, I get along great with Kwad, the asst mgr in my club. I am always glad when he is there, and we make a great team.

    That's what it's all about, as you mentioned above--being a team.

    Forget the petty power trips, forget trying to screw all the dancers, just work together and be positive. Not you, lol, the rest of those idiots out there. You sound like you already know.

    I hope your success continues...
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    I think that's my night-manager!

    Hey you!

    It's a slow process and a learning process for everyone. Trying to find the right balance for things and working with the wake of disaster that was left by old management.

    xoxoGrcexoxo's description of her club sounded alot like what had happened to mine. Since our new managment has been in place we are starting to see changes. Hopefully we'll continue to go forward and get back where we were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night_manager
    Yes, a club can turn around.

    Former managers were the problem, along with a dose of OWNER thrown in for bad measure.

    Now it's different. The owner is the same, but has put more faith in his managerial staff to make the right changes and enforce what is expected of the employees and entertainers.

    Bar and wait staff, DJ's, security, entertainers, managers. WE, are turning the club around.... considering the owner stopped advertising six months ago... We are doing well.

    Eeek! Are you speaking generally, or are you <gulp> MY manager?? Oh, well. I stand by everything I said. Don't shoot the messenger. And I'm glad you think we can turn the place around. It could be a really great club.

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    God the club you girls are describing, sounds like WIZZARDS in Philly! A club that used to be one of the best in the city, now on the decline! High-end clientele leaving for other bars, replaced by a "peanut gallery of cheapskates"(or as the DJ at Wizzards would call them, "cheap bastards")! It's like pulling teeth for even the pretty girls to sell dances sometimes. Uglier girls coming in, and doing extras in the couch dance rooms. Yeah I can relate, I worked at Wizzards while it was declining but still somewhat decent, but realized after I got my boobs done, that I could get into a better club and make more money...I left Wizzards after the WHORE-endous day that I made -$7. Yep, NEGATIVE money.

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