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    Default Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    I always get so jealous when I read here about clubs where you can sell your time in the VIP or Champagne Room. There's nothing like this at any club in Austin, maybe in all of Texas. (Dallas girls? Houston girls? Speak up!) My club has actually has a VIP section, for which customers can either buy an annual membership or buy a bottle of champagne, which gets them in for one night. BUT there's no benefit to the dancers if customers do or don 't buy memberships or champagne. Dances are $20 in VIP, just like they are on the main floor. You only get paid for dances in VIP, not for your time. In fact, the only way to make money is dance by dance. This seriously limits earning potential. (Also a dumb move on the clubs' parts: they could have us making sales for them. Why wouldn't they do this?)

    Wondering if anyone has figured out a way around this. The few times I've suggested customers pay me for my time, I've gotten very negative responses; no other girls seem to do this, so I guess I come off as either very arrogant or a major gold-digger. So frustrating! Maybe I should just leave Texas to dance.

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    Default Re: Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    where in austin do you work?

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    Default Re: Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    Also, you can get paid for your time if you're smart about it. That goes for anyone anywhere. It's not a guaranteed thing though and you should never count on it, but don't be afraid to feel the guy out and ask gently.

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    Default Re: Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    My club doesn't have VIP rooms or anything; the only way to get to the VIP section is to have a membership (super-expensive), buy a nice bottle of champagne, or buy funny money that can be used for dances. The primary way that girls make the big bucks is by charging hourly; bachelor parties can be good for this and regulars are great for this.

    Since all the girls do this, it's not quite so hard a sell as it sounds like it is at your club. Still, there are ways to talk around it without making it all about the money. If guys seem interested in lots of dances or seem to be buying all the guys in their group lots of dances, or if a guy wants to spend lots of time talking to me, I tell him that he can keep me around as long as he likes if he makes it worthwhile for me to ignore everybody else. I turn on lots of charm to make him feel special, smile a lot, and make sure to mention that I'd love to do it and that then I'd be able to give him as many dances as he wants. Some guys are resistant at first but spring for it later when I mention that this means I don't have to constantly be asking him for money and worrying about everybody else in the room, but instead I can just concentrate on having as much fun with him as possible.

    Make sure that you set a reasonable price point; you're not going to be dancing every single song and you want to be giving him a volume/convenience discount -- that is, he's buying a lot of dance time from you, something like 20 songs in a hour, and you're getting the convenience of doing all your selling in that hour in one transaction. The happy value at our club seems to be around $200, maybe a little less per hour on a really dead night. Anything below $120 is usually selling youself short, and our customers seem to find anyting above $250-300 to be very insulting.

    Talk to the other girls in the club about it, share any ideas about how to best sell time hourly on the floor, and maybe try to agree on a hourly price range. If it's not just you going this route, guys will get a lot less defensive about it.

    And bachelor parties tend to really like knowing that they're "only" spending so much money on you (plus drinks plus tips ) per hour, despite going crazy "buying" dances from you. We can often "get away" with spending at least half of our hourly time with bachelor parties walking around in just shoes and a thong, harrassing the guys, drinking with them, being silly, and having fun; some guys seem to like that even more than a dance, and I know it's a lot less work for me!

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    It's pretty fucking hard in Austin to sell your time and not individual dances; like Katrine has mentioned before, you might want to make it clear that if you're in VIP, you're getting paid for each song you're back there for. It's partly that guys instinctively think that we're trying to rip them off if we try to sell something that isn't on the official club menu.

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    Agreed with Susan. I've broken a grand before many times in a night in Austin. It certainly takes more time, but its attainable on a busy night or when you land the right customer.

    Once again, I'll share my strategy. Here in Austin, if you get them in VIP/champagne, just sit in their lap in your thong and keep moving around for each song. Don't stop until they tell you its break time. I will still ask at the beginning of each song as a courtesy if there is no obvious understanding. As Susan said, don't charge without disclosure. I will keep moving, if they go at least 5-7 songs without a break, I won't charge them for break time, but every second I am in my skivies and in my lap back there, they are on the clock. This breaks down to roughly $150 per half hour. Since we don't have to tipout hosts like dancers have to in traditional time-allotted VIP, the profit is yours to keep. Take your time, save your best moves, don't blow your wad upfront, and if the guy wants to spend, he will spend.

    Asking for tips in Austin is iffy. Do a little research and find out where they are from. If they are from a place with a "tipping culture", then work it. If not, you might piss them off. Still, if they're from out of town, who cares, what's the likelihood of you forming a regular relationship with them. Milk them but don't make them feel ripped off.

    There is one place in Texas I know of with time-allotted VIP, The Lodge in Dallas. My girl was working there and trying to get me to come up and work with her since I know how to sell VIP, but alas I never made it before my striptirement.

    There is excellent money in Austin, dancing clean with medium-contact, but it takes beauty, skill, and a clever persona to master. You have to bust your ass, make no illusions. But housefees are low and tipout is reasonable, so its worth it......

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    I have had really good success selling my time by the hour in Austin' instead of VIP "because we're having so much fun, I don't want to interupt the flow of things or I'd rather be here with you than those other guys but I need to make my money." It works better with the lonely guys who want to talk a lot or the knights in shining armor. I really try to sell my dances first, but if the person wants to spend more time talking than dancing, I'll suggest my time instead. It nets me more money, and gets me out quicker in the end as long as I present it right. Most of these guys already have a VIP membership, if not I'll take them to a quieter corner or the cheapest champagne area because I'd rather have more money available for me.

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    We don't have a VIP room either, but I am thinking about doing "cut rate" deal for all interested custys from now on.

    Our dances are $30 each song. Our average song length is around 4 mins. So that's roughly 8 dances. Which is $240. If I charge $200 for 30 mins, it's a $40 cut but it's guarenteed money. Same with hours. There are roughly 15-16 songs per hour wich would be $450. I am willing to charge $300 for an hour. That would save the guys $150.

    Do you guys/girls think it's a good deal and guys would be willing to do it?

    *Girls, would you take the chance on trying to "upsell" this, and take the "paycut", or do you wanna just dance per song?

    *Guys, would you be willing to pay for an hour or 30 mins, if you knew the girl was a good dancer and you liked her work?
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    Default Re: Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    We don't have a VIP room either, but I am thinking about doing "cut rate" deal for all interested custys from now on.

    Our dances are $30 each song. Our average song length is around 4 mins. So that's roughly 8 dances. Which is $240. If I charge $200 for 30 mins, it's a $40 cut but it's guarenteed money. Same with hours. There are roughly 15-16 songs per hour wich would be $450. I am willing to charge $300 for an hour. That would save the guys $150.

    Do you guys/girls think it's a good deal and guys would be willing to do it?

    *Girls, would you take the chance on trying to "upsell" this, and take the "paycut", or do you wanna just dance per song?

    *Guys, would you be willing to pay for an hour or 30 mins, if you knew the girl was a good dancer and you liked her work?
    I think this sort of would work well if clubs standardized them. Using Kitana's example:

    Single Song - $30
    15 minutes or 4 songs - $110 ($27.50 each)
    30 minutes or 8 songs - $200 ($25.00 each)
    60 minutes or 16 songs - $350 ($21.88 each)
    every 15 minutes after an hour - $80

    I would do it with the right girl. Of course, its getting to know if the gal is a good dancer that is the hard part. All my faves started out at 1-2 songs like everybody else before graduating to larger quantities.

    Three problems that I might see:

    1. I don't know of too many gals who can give lap dances for an hour straight.
    2. Some guys may not want to go that long without a breather. (Personally, I prefer an intermission about every 5-6 songs.)
    3. Busybody stage rotations that some clubs run (and can't be skipped) might make the larger packages impossible, at least not without interruptions.
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    Default Re: Making good money w/o a VIP section?

    that fee schedule is pretty much what my club does in the VIP room, which is.

    3 songs -$100
    30 min -$200
    60 min -$400

    The hard part is when pricing is per song, and not per time block. We do a lot of 30 and 60 min ones. And we don't necessarily dance the whole time. It really depends on the guy. Some like you to sit there with your legs over his lap and have a drink with them for some time. If they get the 3 songs, they pretty much expect you to dance the whole time.

    Anyway, I think this could work anywhere. Your club should have a way to run credit cards too.

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    150 per half hour, what a bargain

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlinterupted
    I have had really good success selling my time by the hour in Austin' instead of VIP "because we're having so much fun, I don't want to interupt the flow of things or I'd rather be here with you than those other guys but I need to make my money." It works better with the lonely guys who want to talk a lot or the knights in shining armor. I really try to sell my dances first, but if the person wants to spend more time talking than dancing, I'll suggest my time instead. It nets me more money, and gets me out quicker in the end as long as I present it right. Most of these guys already have a VIP membership, if not I'll take them to a quieter corner or the cheapest champagne area because I'd rather have more money available for me.
    At what point do you bring this up? After a few dances? Before you start dancing? Do other girls at your club do this? I've tried delicately to get paid for my time. Problem is, on a slow shift (and lately they are all slow shifts) every other dancer is sitting around all day for free, and customers want to know why *I* expect to be paid.

    Like Kitana, I've considered selling "bulk discounts" on dances, but am not sure of the best way to do this.

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    When it is really slow toward the end of the month, I will jsut come right out and tell them teh dance price is $XX or $XX for 3. It turns ones dance into 3 pretty easily on otherwise slow nights.


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    Thanks for your posts, everybody. After reading, I'm going have another shot at selling time. My club has private dance booths that all the customers want to use, on the suspicion that they're going to get "more." (Nope.) At night they have to pay the house a fee to use the booths, but on dayshift it's a free-for-all. Maybe I'll try telling customers that I only dance in the booths for a flat time-for-money fee. I dunno, though. I'm afraid some customers will think they're buying sex.

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    The momentum in my club is medium-fast, so if somebody is moving slower than my speed (IE taking too many breaks between dances, uses the line "I don't buy dances", or has alot of money but makes it clear he wants to stretch it) then I will bring it up. I would much rather get paid $20 a dance than sell myself short, but you can get more money out of some guys and raise your hourly average by convincing them they're getting a "deal" by pre-paying you instead. Timing of the offer depends on the circumstances.

    Example of asking before a dance:

    Customer: I don't pay for dances. or I'd rather just talk.
    Response: Well since we're having so much fun, why don't you just tip me ____ for ____ min time instead? I'd much rather spend time with you anyways ; )
    (most of these guys are cheapskates who want a free show, but it has worked a couple times)

    I'll bring it up later, if the customer is taking alot of breaks between dances, which bring my hourly average down. When I do this, I always mention how much money they'll be saving and how we can just relax without worrying about what # we're on.

    It sounds like you're doing the best with your situation, and you already know how to hustle. It's just the momentum of your club. When it's slow, I have a hard time selling time too.

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    Our club use to not have VIP dances. We only had table dances. They cost 15 bucks a piece. We didn't have to waste the time taking them upstairs, downstairs and paying the 5 bucks. Not that I opposed to either one but you can turnover a large amount of table dances quicker than hustling each VIP separately, of course unless you get a guy that wants multiple VIP dances. We use to just go from table to table and get dances. Sometimes, if there was a large group of guys several of them would get dances which worked out nicely too.

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    Where in Austin do they have "booths"?

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    They have those weird little pod-like things at Sugar's. Also they are building BJ caves in the "VIP" at XTC.

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    ^^^^yup^^^^

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    Ack! Today I tried out my brand-new hustle charging bundled dances. Normal dances are $20, but I charged a customer 4/$100 to go back in the dance booths. I did pretty much my normal dance, nothing special or extra, and he didn't complain about the price but...but...but...he SPLOOGED on me. Well, not *on* me, but during the third dance. I actually didn't know until I was about to kneel down in front of him and he got embarrassed and told me what had happened. This has NEVER happened to me before, and I was a little freaked out, because, like I said, I was doing a normal dance, not any kind of heavy grinding. I wonder if he thought because the dance was a different price, he was entitled to "finish." Or maybe he's just a finisher. Anyway, eeeewww.
    P.S. He paid me for the fourth dancy anyway. So yay, I guess.

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    Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    Ack! Today I tried out my brand-new hustle charging bundled dances. Normal dances are $20, but I charged a customer 4/$100 to go back in the dance booths. I did pretty much my normal dance, nothing special or extra, and he didn't complain about the price but...but...but...he SPLOOGED on me. Well, not *on* me, but during the third dance. I actually didn't know until I was about to kneel down in front of him and he got embarrassed and told me what had happened. This has NEVER happened to me before, and I was a little freaked out, because, like I said, I was doing a normal dance, not any kind of heavy grinding. I wonder if he thought because the dance was a different price, he was entitled to "finish." Or maybe he's just a finisher. Anyway, eeeewww.
    P.S. He paid me for the fourth dancy anyway. So yay, I guess.


    Not laughing at ya Grace...definitely laughing with you...it's happened to me as well. I was grossed out too but decided to take it as a compliment....

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    if there not paying you for your time then,i guess the thing to do is not sit with them for too long.Work at asking them for a dance and focus on that. If they don't/will not get a dance and they just won't pay you for your time...then try asking for a tip like a dollar or two...it all adds up.

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