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    I am sick to death of putting nasty women onstage, lol!

    I'm laughing now, but last night I wasn't, until Sky and Jayln came in late, that is--they literally saved the night.

    What is up with the hiring of anything that walks in the door without a dick??

    The club I am at used to be worse, so I should be thankful, but due to the lack of any kind of set schedule, there are nights on which by sheer bad luck we will have a bunch of questionable women, a bunch of nasty, ugly ones, about 25% good ones, and maybe only 2-3 really cute ones! Several of our best dancers banked night before last, and either didn't come in so they could rest, or left early last night, in spite of my most urgent appeals, because they were tired. Spanking for you, Cassy!

    I don't demand perfection, every guy has different taste, but last night we had some real 'winners'. I wound up skipping 7 of them altogether, to preserve my sanity. One of them kept asking me when she was going to go up, and I kept giving her lame excuses. It would require a gun to my head to do so (or possibly the threat of getting fired outright--in which case I might quit).

    She looks like she has two permanent black eyes, has a face like a pig, and a sagging belly. To top it all off she was wearing a ridiculous prison-striped outfit. She should have been arrested for walking around in the damned thing. Apparently she made 850$ last night from the rednecks, how or why I have no idea, probably by sucking dick. I could have made a great tip by just putting her up, but I'd rather lose out on the fucking money--seriously. I am actually a bit annoyed with the young new DJ for putting her up, since now she's bugging me to do the same--she used to leave me alone. Now she'll want to go up after the events are over, too.

    I don't mind heavier women, but sag is right out, sorry. There is another woman who I have been forced to put onstage who has a serious, sagging, stretchmark covered stomach, but has taken to pulling a bit of attitude--like last night when no one was tipping her, even though the house was really packed. She stood there onstage with her arms crossed, actually angry that no one would pay to see her disgusting ass dance. I have never seen anyone look so utterly ridiculous in a racing type outfit--you know, the checkered flag motif that says "Winner!". Oh, and she is the one who brought in Prison Babe, BTW...

    The owners will get mad if I skip these women too much, but guess who gets blamed when the guys leave when I put them onstage! Oh, and they do...or at least clear away from the tipping rail faster than quail hunters getting out of Cheney's line of fire.

    Now I wish I hadn't repeatedly warned those SW members who wanted to dance at my club, and they probably would have made a bunch of money, too--the VIP was packed all night! I was just trying to protect them, since a lot of women have a bad reaction to the club. I would hate like hell to have any cool SW members suffer because I didn't warn them, even if some beautiful women seem to love the place. But it takes a special kind of nerve to work there.

    Ahhh, tonight will be better, no doubt, lol...
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    This seems to be the norm at every club. There used to be standads in this bussiness. If I ahd walked into my club ten years ago I wouldn't have evn been allowed to audition, standards were that high. And I happen to think that I'm an attractive women and a damn good entertainer thank you very much!

    Not only in the looks department but it seems that most girls can't dance anymore. When my area didn't have LD's it was all stage moeny, if you couldn't dance you left broke. Now that LD's are the norm it seems no one has any talent, all the managers care about is if you can grind cock and how much $$ the club is going to make off of you (house fees).

    Looking at these girls I wonder why I bother to continue to take care of myself (gym, nails, tanning, hair, makeup, costumes) when these girls don't even look like they can be bothered to brush theri hair. And you're absolutely right, they are the first onse to complain about nit making any money and wonder why that is.

    I hope one day that the bar will be raisedin this industry again but I don't think it will happen or at least not anytime soon.

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    Djoser, don't take this too personally, it's just the one thing that drives me crazy the most. If they're still there, they're obviously making money ($850, maybe?). If they're making money, they obviously appeal to some customers. Sooo, if management hired them and customers pay them, but they don't appeal to you personally, you aren't going to let them go on stage? Don't you think that's kind of fucked up?



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    hahahahaha I'm sorry but the way you told that story totally cracked me up!


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    Some guys like fat chicks *shrug* and hell some even like sagging tummys *shudder* they are obviously making money so why would the club clear if they went on stage?

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    I can totally feel you. After 9 years in the business I see the standards and talent going straight down the tubes. It feels like as long as there is a warm body to put on the stage, the managers don't care what it looks like. I have had 3 children and take pride in taking care of my money maker (body)!

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    Club owners have done this to their clubs. There are several girls that I have danced with that I would not consider "Stripper Beautiful" by any means. But they make money, and they spend money in the club. So the bar is profiting on these dancers twice over.

    As a side note, I worked with a cute dancer the other night that spent most of her money that she earned on $30 cocktails, and she had to pay double house because she was late to work that day... So the clubs don't care what the dancers look like, just that they are making a profit for their club.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Ever think that the pig-faced black-eyed girl who claimed to make $850 was lying? Or harassing/annoying guys until they got VIP dances?(as some dancers are known to do) Maybe she made all that money because guys figured if they got a dance from her, she'd leave them alone afterwards.

    Obviously not ALL the ugly girls were making money, if the one girl with the stretch-marked stomach wasn't getting tips and she was standing around with arms crossed and a scowl on her face.

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    Well, not all ugly girls make money. Not all pretty girls make money. Not all girls make money. However, I must agree with Lena that it isn't really the DJs job to shoot their potential in the foot because he finds them unpleasing. They were hired; they come to work; one presumes that make money because they keep coming to work; otherwise they would be slowly starving to death. This is really all we need to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    Djoser, don't take this too personally, it's just the one thing that drives me crazy the most. If they're still there, they're obviously making money ($850, maybe?). If they're making money, they obviously appeal to some customers. Sooo, if management hired them and customers pay them, but they don't appeal to you personally, you aren't going to let them go on stage? Don't you think that's kind of fucked up?
    Nooo, I don't think it's fucked up at all. Nor would the vast majority of people who saw her.

    Of course, you obviously have the right to your opinion about this type of situation, and whether I'm fucked up...

    No problem for me whatsoever if you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va
    This seems to be the norm at every club. There used to be standads in this bussiness. If I ahd walked into my club ten years ago I wouldn't have evn been allowed to audition, standards were that high. And I happen to think that I'm an attractive women and a damn good entertainer thank you very much!

    Not only in the looks department but it seems that most girls can't dance anymore. When my area didn't have LD's it was all stage moeny, if you couldn't dance you left broke. Now that LD's are the norm it seems no one has any talent, all the managers care about is if you can grind cock and how much $$ the club is going to make off of you (house fees).

    Looking at these girls I wonder why I bother to continue to take care of myself (gym, nails, tanning, hair, makeup, costumes) when these girls don't even look like they can be bothered to brush theri hair. And you're absolutely right, they are the first onse to complain about nit making any money and wonder why that is.

    I hope one day that the bar will be raisedin this industry again but I don't think it will happen or at least not anytime soon.
    I can deal with it and even be amused by some of the women I am forced to put onstage, when there are enough dancers of quality to make it otherwise a task with some aesthetic appeal, such as you would surely be, Susan-Va.

    Fortunately there are a few clubs I have worked in that have had higher standards, and even in my club--if this were a greater problem--I would be leaving post haste. If it ever becomes intolerable, I surely will. So no need for anyone to suggest it.

    I am not in this business to put disgusting women onstage so they can then go suck dick. They can do that anyway, without scaring away the customers who might have a modicum of class or taste, by working the floor.

    It's like putting Chris Farley in a Chippendales line up, which would have similar humorous effect, so long as there were one or two of him, and not half the guys. Maybe he could make a shitload of money with phenomenal cunnilinguistic skills in VIP, though.
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    DJoser just curious, what club do you work at? It's in Daytona, FL right?

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    Yes, I'll PM you the name...

    The difference in crowd energy and tipping level was immediate and vastly improved after Sky and Jayln came in. The asst manager, Kwad, who works with me very closely and knows well my policy on skipping the BJ beasts, noticed this as well.

    He and I have a lot of fun laughing at the humorous aspects of the job, which generally far outweigh any distasteful elements of it.
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    Our club has a reputation for having mostly pretty girls but with the amount of girls leaving for whatever reason we have been hiring anything that walks through the door. It's management's fault ultimately. However, it makes those of us who try to look good feel like getting hired at a nice club isn't a prevlidge when anything with a pussy can be hired.

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    I sure hope those girls you skipped didn't give you one penny for tip out!!! I think you may forgot you are just the dj,not the owner or the manager,just a dj. (unless you are dj/manager excuse the rest) But...all the clubs i worked at the dj's make their $ off of the girls tip outs,not by the cutomers.Make all of the ladies feel special so they in turn can make the custys feel special,ending in everyone gets $ in the end. Thats at least how it should work! I love following a "not so perfect" girl on stage,it makes me shine all the more! Basically,i hope all the girls you skip make tons of cash on the floor and dont give you nothing but a smile. This makes me sick,your only the dj.

    hey,maybe you can ask the owner if you could be in charge of hiring the girls,ya think that would work?! Then you wouldn't ever have to decide who to skip!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOGANLAKEN
    I sure hope those girls you skipped didn't give you one penny for tip out!!!

    ...hey,maybe you can ask the owner if you could be in charge of hiring the girls,ya think that would work?! Then you wouldn't ever have to decide who to skip!!!!
    You'll be quite happy to hear that the one dancer I skipped (that is, the only one out of 7 women I skipped who didn't ask me to because they hate dancing) didn't give me any "tip out!!!"

    Because the last time she tried to tip me, even though I skipped her, I told her she didn't have to. This was on a night when all the guys at the rail, who had been enthusiastically tipping the girl before her friend, leaped like lemmings to an icy death to get away when I put her friend up.

    She would have been worse, and I don't want her money--not one cent.

    Both of the owners have asked me to skip certain dancers, especially the more savvy one.

    I assumed in the case of the really hideous one they'd feel the same, especially since she'd then have more time to make the club money giving cheap BJs...

    Lola, for instance, who can regularly be caught draining the semen out of herself and carefully wiping the dribbles off her kitty in the dressing room bathroom.

    I would love nothing better than to ask the owners to help with dancer selection, and then I indeed "wouldn't ever have to decide who to skip!!!!"

    I wouldn't hire women who gave blowjobs, and I sure wouldn't hire women who actually got guys to stand up and leave the club, as I have seen innumerable times. But I haven't asked, since they apparently limit their criteria to the lack of testicles, and like it that way.

    Yes, I am seriously considering leaving at last, so don't advise me to think about it.


    Now, as far as your accusation of my having flamed you, Kyle, I went and reread the entire thread and found only two posts of mine which had any direct bearing on you.

    Once I asked you what you meant by the word "BAORS", and the other time I asked you what kind of keyboard could selectively capitalize only the first letter of each word, since I have yet to see any such keyboard on the market.

    This hardly constitutes flaming, but don't bother to answer the question now, please.

    Oh, and I was neither asking for, nor do I want, your advice.

    This thread can be locked or deleted at anytime, moderators, it was meant as a somewhat humorous rant, but apparently my humor is appreciated by only a certain mindset.

    I apologize to anyone who is offended by my admission of reluctance to put severely ugly women, who make the vast majority of their money by sucking dick, onstage.
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    DJ, ultimately your rant is based on an underlying shift in the exotic dancing industry that very few of us are happy to see occurring. As you pointed out, it seems like 80% of clubs are already in a steady 'downward' spiral towards offering little more than 'sex for money' to club customers. Certain clubowners and dancers already realize that this will be 'where the money is' in the future.

    If there's any consolation (and IMHO this isn't any consolation whatsoever), as more and more physically attractive dancers come to the conclusion that their superior appearance is not translating into earnings potential vs less aesthetically pleasing girls who are willing to keep customers 'happy', some portion of the more physically attractive dancers will decide that they also need to start keeping customers 'happy'. When this starts to happen in earnest, the less aesthetically pleasing girls will see their earnings fall despite the HJ's and BJ's, clubowners will have more options in regard to new physically attractive dancers willing to give HJ's and BJ's, and the physical attractiveness factor of the club in general will improve. This is exactly what has happened in Europe, and it's not unreasonable to assume that it will happen here as well.

    Ironically, the 20% of clubs who do not find themselves caught in a 'downward spiral' i.e. the top shelf low contact 'show clubs', will also see the physical attractiveness factor of dancers increase. This will not be surprising at all, since these 'show clubs' will be beset by tons of dancers trying to avoid the dilemma of offering low mileage and earning low money in 'dirty' clubs versus having to offer HJ's and BJ's along with other dancers in order to pay their bills. This is also exactly what has happened in European clubs, where the hiring standards in the no sex 'hostess clubs' is extremely high.

    So ultimately, the less than aesthetically pleasing girls you are ranting about will be driven out of the business despite the HJ's and BJ's they are offering ... for the simple reason that club/customer economic forces will cause more attractive girls will start offering HJ's and BJ's instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    DJ, ultimately your rant is based on an underlying shift in the exotic dancing industry that very few of us are happy to see occurring. As you pointed out, it seems like 80% of clubs are already in a steady 'downward' spiral towards offering little more than 'sex for money' to club customers.

    So ultimately, the less than aesthetically pleasing girls you are ranting about will be driven out of the business despite the HJ's and BJ's they are offering ... for the simple reason that club/customer economic forces will cause more attractive girls will start offering HJ's and BJ's instead.
    Yes, quite true about the shift, and perhaps the most distressing thing about it is that dancers like our very own Extacy in Daytona and Kathleen have expressed extreme displeasure with many of the dancers who eagerly agree to perform fellatio for minimal charge, such as the woman I skipped.

    They feel that it greatly increases the difficulty of working conditions in our club, and they are quite correct.

    Both of them are a pleasure to work with, particularly E in D, who has a great sense of humor and whom I am always glad to see. I will miss them when I leave the club.
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    Even in the most vain of businesses there will always be people who aren't up to the standards.

    Maybe they're making money not on the way they look, but in the way they carry themselves? Sometimes that is more sexier than anything (Although...tummy saggy makes me gag slightly...and I'm only thinking about it. But I'm looking a someone who just got gastric bypass and hasn't yet had the skin removal surgery...in my mind at least)

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    Lola, for instance, who can regularly be caught draining the semen out of herself and carefully wiping the dribbles off her kitty in the dressing room bathroom.
    Damn. This ruined my day. Not sure I can go to work now.

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    Quite frankly, I'm not either, Grace...

    But seriously, going through that night, having written my rant (which I repeat was meant partly in jest), and having defended myself against the objections of a few, I am becoming more aware of just how difficult the situation has made my job, and how much I need to work in a club with considerably higher hiring standards.

    I could tell you many more utterly disgusting tales of my club, and some of them are funny as hell, too--but let's not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    I can no longer hear you roar...

    Because you are on 'ignore'.

    A fine example of SW poetry.
    "He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"

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    Thanks, Silverback, and in this case the silence is quite pleasant, indeed, lol...

    I would suggest the use of the ignore button for anyone with a similar issue, though I have only used it twice in over three years.
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    Nikki2florida- Thankyou! (for telling the truth about how hard it is being a dj)

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    LOL!!! Altho I feel the need to point out one thing regarding nikki's posts: If you make your money the way you say you do, embrace your real jobtitle - you're not a stripper

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