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    Thank you DSUsb for your feedback. I think I will try to offer an incentive (I'm a single mom so I can't blow the wad on 'research' ; ) I guess it'll give me more incentive to be serious about the endeavor anyway.

    As for the idea that I'm writing a term paper, I wish I had the time to go back school. Besides, I never put stuff off to the last anyway. I'd have had it finished by now.

    I didn't want to 'lurk' around the site just to glean some info for a book. I'm a person that likes to be very upfront with my agendas and I don't ever want to trick anyone into sharing personal info with me. Bad karma.

    As for sharing traumatic events, this question wasn't for everyone. Some people are okay talking about their life, some are not. I didn't post my initial thread to receive a barage of nasty responses. I really thought people would be pretty cool. Seems that people are pretty defensive. If the post doesn't apply to you, leave it alone. Thankfully, the web is still a somewhat free space and while you may not agree with my endeavor, you should be happy places like this exist for 'exploitive a**holes' like me to speak up. Kinda like America in general.

    Besides, when this old broad danced (I just turned 34 ; ) it was $10 a dance even at the best clubs in South Florida (meaning=maybe things have changed a bit?) Just because I had the same profession at one time doesn't mean I would've reacted the same way. I've always been pretty okay with people asking questions about me. I have nothing to hide and maybe something I could answer for them would shed some light on an unfamiliar topic, whatever the topic may be. Hell, I might have even learned something about myself.

    I hope that when its finished, it does well and I would be more than happy to share with people that took time to speak with me. Good karma.

    BTW...to whomever has the quote about Heaven & Hell (the English are chefs, Italians run the trains, the Swiss are lovers, etc.)...very funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrodesia
    ... a very cool & curious woman, mother, chef, chick, ex-stripper (or whatever you want to label it that helps everyone sleep better at night)...
    So you're an ex-dancer and yet you're surprised be the reactions here?



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    Default Re: Stripper Psychology

    Whos to say that we have any type of special "psychology"? Are we not normal human beings just like everyone else?

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    Afrodesia, part of the reason for the types of responses you got here is because there are a lot of "I want to study you" types that post here and a lot of girls, understandably have gotten tired and annoyed by them. Being new here, you probably aren't aware of that.

    As for the past trauma thing? I don't know if I get how that relates to dancing. I was driven into this business for the money like so many women have been. I know many women who have had messed up things happen to them when they were kids and none of them are dancers.

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    I'm actually very open alot of the time to talking about dancing, answering questions and whatever people want to relate to it at the time for free. I just get a bit tired of the whole childhood issue being brought up time and time again that's all (-:
    I am surprised that you're surprised at our reactions though!

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    Afrodesia;
    if you do a cursory search on this board you will see what you are doing wrong.
    First: we don't like researchers. It's that simple. We don't like student researchers, and we don't like amateurs outsides of school. We don't like being researched. This is not a matter of intolerence. It's a matter of foolish topics and poor methods that tend to prevail over research started here. It makes us doubt the legitimacy of the research. Considering that exactly one woman and one man who came here responded to our queries with anything but your kind of snarky "Just answer my questions if you want" we are used to posers.

    Second: as I have said to many women here: unless you have many, many weeks to devote to this kind of primary research, trust me - someone else has already done it better. Undergraduates just don't have the time or resource to do primary sociological research. And I'm not even sure what you are doing. But I'd be willing to bet that it will have poor breadth and focus. How much reading have your done on this topic?

    Third: there are ethics when collecting information. One is to not "taint" your pool. When you engage in fighting on this board, you are tainting your pool. It makes me think that you are no researching anything, but are just amusing yourself somehow. There are also guidelines and informed consent. You should be posting a lot of the details of your study BEFORE you ask for information, not after. This is all considered to be sloppy and faulty research.

    Fourth: if you were "professional" - that is preparing anything for anything outside of school, paying the women for their time is highly, highly appropriate and doesn't compromise any research ethics on the planet.

    Fifth: I'm interested - how is actually going to the clubs creating an atmosphere of non-neutrality?

    Sixth: What exactly IS this for?

    Seventh: you've burned your bridges here. I mean this is clearly not an appropriate pool to draw information from at this point, not that everyone now permanently hates you. But I would suggest that you seek out new locations and don't repeat your mistakes. If you have ever taken a research methods class, go over your notes. If you haven't, I would suggest at a minimum reading the guidelines with the American Sociological Association. There IS a right way and a wrong way to do things.
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    There really isn't anything new a dancer could tell you about her work that hasn't already been said. And frankly most of it really isn't all that interesting anyway. Maybe write a book about being a waitress at Chevy's.

    I think what you really want is to spend time flirting with attractive women outside the club because you can't afford it inside the club. Now why didn't I think of that?

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    Im suprised you waited till the last minute to do your paper,and decided hmm...whats an easy subject i can whip out?...oh yeah stripping!!!! I agree with^,pick a subject thats easy like...your life as an ex stripper!

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    This is funny. An ex-stripper is surprised that we'd be tired of having strangers come around asking us the same questions every other wannabe "researcher / writer / whatever" asks.

    Afro, you won't get any positive response here with the way you introduced yourself and subsequent attitude. I agree with Jenny - you've burned your bridges here. Also, how would simply reading these public forums be invading our privacy or bad karma??? If we wrote it here in public for all to see, I think it's pretty safe to assume it's all good if you want to go through and read it Considering your attitude and what you've said here, I find it difficult to believe you're trying to accomplish anything legitimate.

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    Bad karma doesn't happen because you don't allow people take advantage of you or use you for their own fullfilling purposes.

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    All I can say about all this is "Wow". I've been reading posts here for some months now and actually just had the courage to start posting as I'm new to the forum world and it seems the ladies are a bit quick to jump at times. Having said this, I'm of the opinion that if I meet or hear of someone that could use my help and their personality and life motive vibes well with mine, I loose nothing by sharing who I am and what I've been with them. I'm no spring chicken when it comes to dancing; I've been at it for 8 years now. I'm nothing special--I'm just me and I'd be happy to share who I am with you. I'll probably be racked over the coals for this one, but I had to say something. Afrodesia, I don't have alot of free time, but I live in Sacramento and I'd be happy to help.

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    as an student of anthropology (and no, ladies--i assure you that i'm NOT on here as part of a project or writing a book ; my focus is more to the archaeological side of things...) where a lot of this type of thing takes place and i hear about people's projects all the time i am really surprised in the fact that you refuse to pay your interviewees!
    there is grant funding available specifically for research purposes--are you aware of that??

    also, here are some links to ethical guidelines just for reference:
    http://www.aaanet.org/committees/ethics/ethcode.htm
    http://www.asanet.org/page.ww?sectio...le+of+Contents
    http://onlineethics.org/reseth/reference.html

    really, don't you think it is a little presumptuous for you to stroll into a community such as this and immediately start asking personal questions about people's lives or for favors?

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    Honeywa,
    Thank you for your bravery! ; )

    I know that its impossible to tell someone's tone when its simply text in a box and unfortunately, people seem to have the notion that I've been 'fighting' via the posts but really, I'm not at all like that. I think that when people get agitated and read my post with that state of mind, they naturally will 'hear' my communication in that tone.
    I promise not to be the one to rake you over any coals and I'm really not a college student doing a paper...I'm a chef! My hobbies just include writing and I'm kinda tired of just writing about food & wine all the time. I like to figure out what makes people (including myself) tick and my book (if it ever gets written) won't be something one finds on a psychology bookshelf. Maybe on the shelf of any typical household? If I have a 'purpose', its more along the lines of blurring the boundaries we set up for ourselves & each other and realizing that every woman has a history and instead of being so bitchy & catty toward each other, we should give each other a frickin' break.
    I really hope no one gives you a hard time...I wouldn't wish that on you.
    Thank you again!

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    Afro, if all you've gotten from our posts is that we're just being bitchy and catty, you have TOTALLY misread everything we've said and missed the point. Maybe you need to brush up on some reading/listening comprehension before delving into a project writing about what others tell you. I know how this sounds, and all I can say is I really don't mean it that way - just an observation at this point. How can you expect to write anything meaningful about what people tell you of themselves if you ignore what we're telling you here?

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    Bridgette,
    Someone replied that I am brain dead. Is that really a misread on my part?

    And again, I wasn't referring to women here being bitchy & catty...I mean in general women can be like that when we should be more accepting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker
    I'm a little bit sick of people wanting to question our childhoods and upbringing to see if it somehow relates to us choosing to strip for a living. It doesn't.

    Well I think the original request was kind of cliched and a silly approach, too -- "tell me your life story" -- what is this, Dateline NBC.

    But this statement (stripping does not relate to your childhood or upbringing) is just silly. Of course it does. Whether you're a stripper or a cop or a lawyer or a blowhard politician or a doctor or a teacher or a druggie dropout or whatever, your childhood has a LOT (pretty much everything) to do with who you are. Strippers are no exception.

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    Why?? Tell me how childhood has EVERYTHING to do with a woman choosing to strip under these circumstances:

    Early 20s, has job, adventurous, willing to take a risk, independent woman. Gets taken into a strip club by friends - never even thought of it previously. Sees the girls dancing, having fun, the show, the money. Thinks it looks like fun. Sees how much money is going around - alot more than she's making at her regular job. Wants to give it a try.

    Maybe I'm just stoopid, but I don't see where the childhood has EVERYTHING to do with that.

    Furthermore, stripping can't be compared to regular jobs in your childhood theory because parents ENCOURAGE kids to prepare for becoming a lawyer, cop, doctor, fireman, judge, salesperson, mechanic, whatever. That's a definite childhood influence. I never heard of a parent encouraging a kid to be a stripper. LOL

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