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    With most escort agencies (or even if you're indie) sex is expected. Yes, there are some occasions when guys want a platonic date, but from what I've been told they are extremely rare.

    There are some "private viewing" type agencies where women come over and strip and the guys usually jack off.

    Because most men that call an escort agency want sex, I wonder how employing an escort who never has sex would be economically feasible for the agency owner or the escort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl
    Just wanted to clear up quickly

    http://www.goldfingers.com.au/

    Whilst it may have a reputation for being not so clean it is a strip club not a brothel. It really doesn't belong in the list that was posted in a previous post above. Thank you.
    Mea culpa, my mistake. I should have checked those links before I posted them. I thought that I had only put brothel links in that file, but appparently not. Sorry!

    A little bit of trivia (if you're interested), The Daily Planet actually trades on the ASX (Australian Stock Exchange) and 'owns' Showgirls Bar20 strip club in Melbourne.
    When Daily Planet first announced its intention to "go public", it got some international media coverage as a sort of curiosity story; the IPO was then greatly delayed (for several years, maybe even a decade) by some sort of legal complications, but when it finally happened, it again got a bit of international coverage. I have toyed with the idea of buying some shares sometime just to be able to say that I am a brothel owner as a lark, but it seems like it would be more trouble to arrange than it would be worth. I wonder if any of the big mutual funds with international portfolios hold any Daily Planet shares. If so, there may be millions of people who own a (tiny little) share in a brothel and never know or even suspect it. Probably not because fund managers would be worried about offending investors, but it is an amusing notion, imo.

    There is now a Daily Planet in Sydney (I think) in addition to the original one in the St. Kilda area of Melbourne, but I have only been to the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
    With most escort agencies (or even if you're indie) sex is expected. Yes, there are some occasions when guys want a platonic date, but from what I've been told they are extremely rare.

    There are some "private viewing" type agencies where women come over and strip and the guys usually jack off.

    Because most men that call an escort agency want sex, I wonder how employing an escort who never has sex would be economically feasible for the agency owner or the escort?
    It is very do-able, trust me! A large company with a huge client base....they want everything....and sex is not on the menu many times!!!!!

    Pamela

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    I don't know how things work in your neck of the woods in Florida, Pamela. With escort agencies in most states and in most parts of the world, the client's expection is to receive "full service" from an escort. If he wants BDSM, he'll see a dominatrix. If he wants a massage with a happy ending, he'll see a sensual masseuse.

    This is true of all of the major agencies I'm aware of, even Belle de Jour and Miami Companions, which are Florida-based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie
    I don't know how things work in your neck of the woods in Florida, Pamela. With escort agencies in most states and in most parts of the world, the client's expection is to receive "full service" from an escort. If he wants BDSM, he'll see a dominatrix. If he wants a massage with a happy ending, he'll see a sensual masseuse.

    This is true of all of the major agencies I'm aware of, even Belle de Jour and Miami Companions, which are Florida-based.
    Trust me it is and was do-able!!! very much so. Some guys don't actually want to see a stripper or Dom. or see a masseuse! They simply pay for sexual chat, dinner and games! Yes games...fetish or not. It's kinda like phone sex, but much more expensive...many people can't grasp the idea that a man or woman would call a phone sex operator pay $4.99 a minute, stay on the phone with her fro SIXTY minutes and KNOW it all FAKE. But they do. Guys wander around, and when a connection is made be it real life or fake conversations....they pay!!!! I have been there. I know of one company you speak of, it is much smaller than the one i workd out of!

    The client base is far too much for me to handle....and yes, the owner hit me up for the job at a gambling hall, but i told him i wont fuck. He then said many of his clients are not looking for sex. Any escort would know this if she worked it. Not all these guys want to get inside you!

    On a side note here, remember one thing! In the adult industry anything is possible! Anything! Things change, even clients, life comes at ya fast, and it goes away too! You are probably much younger than i, i don't even claim to know half of what is going on in the adult industry only what i have done! I am a success story in my eyes, covering many areas of adult entertainment! I don't regret.

    Yes i had my tough moments with some of the guys out of the agency, walked out on a few too. Buy still compared to $200 dancing like some ladies make, i did my best to make much more! I hate hearing about anyone making less than $200 to just take her clothes off and climb on a guys lap. So yea it was tough escorting...But damn if i didn't do it MY way!!!!!!! Short lived of course...the owner wanted to bang all his own girls. Shit. It's a rough earning money in the adult industry without having sex...But again...I fucking did it! Hot damn!!!!

    My experience!

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    Ask yourself is it something you really want to do?
    "Escorts" for company only is doable, few and far between though, I charge them a minimum of $500 p/h and usually take another girl with me so I'm not alone and I stick to regular public places that know me. Some of the customers are good and it's just like going out but others can be a real pain in the butt, I explain to them straight up no sex, no touching, no sex orientated services of any kind at any time whatsoever and I will not be going to their hotel, I am not joking around, you breach you loose your time and you don't get your money back, period. Suprisingly I still do get idiots who think I'm kidding (no sex...right...nudge nudge wink wink) and they can get nasty if they don't get what they want, many of my "escorts" are repeat business and know the deal but even so sometimes they can queer on you too, sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.

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    In most places, escort is synonymous with full survice. If there's an hourly rate for social time only, it's a lower amount. Escorts who don't provide full service when that was the expectation often find themselves on .

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    Dah.......that message does not even warrant a comment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    So yea it was tough escorting...But damn if i didn't do it MY way!!!!!!! Short lived of course...the owner wanted to bang all his own girls. Shit. It's a rough earning money in the adult industry without having sex...But again...I fucking did it! Hot damn!!!!

    My experience!
    I have no basis to dispute anyone's personal experience of course, but it is certainly my strong impression that the *vast* majority of men paying hundreds of dollars per hour for an agency escort's time expect sex, up to and including intercourse at least, to be available to them even if they are told otherwise in advance (which they assume to be a legal dodge, a fiction to avoid solicitation charges). I know that many men consider themselves to have been conned and ripped-off when they pay an escort her requested fee and are then denied sexual contact. Many will indeed report this as a rip-off in online reviews, and I can easily imagine a guy becoming very aggressive or even violent in trying to get his money back or get the sex he thought he was buying. Unless anyone think otherwise, I completely disaprove of such criminal behavior by a customer no matter how ripped-off he feels or how much he payed.

    So, I agree with sc that it is a dicey and potentially dangerous mode of escorting...another post of a "second" to your pov sc, sorry. Fwiiw, it is also a repetition of posts I have made in a number of old SW escorting threads, but maybe it is important enough to repeat each time.

    In other words, while it might be possible to repeat Pamela's experiences in the escorting world, it should only be attempted with caution and awareness that it might well be fairly dangerous.

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    /\ So true, and thank you very much for making this clear. I tried to but didn't get anywhere. I'm receiving pms from girls asking me if they can be escorts and do "fetish stuff only" or "get away with just HJs". This is simply not the picture of present-day escorting in most places in the world today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie
    I'm receiving pms from girls asking me if they can be escorts and do "fetish stuff only" or "get away with just HJs".
    Incall massage parlours, especially downscale ones, are the only prostitution venue/mode of which I am aware in which women can routinely "get away with just HJs". Guys usually want and often ask for more but generally know that there is a good possibility that only a "happy ending" (HJ) will be available. And, since security (the equivalent of bouncers) is generally very nearby (at least as far as the customer knows), guys also know that they have to live with the lady's limits without making too much of a fuss...again quite like the situation in a SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie
    /\ So true, and thank you very much for making this clear. I tried to but didn't get anywhere. I'm receiving pms from girls asking me if they can be escorts and do "fetish stuff only" or "get away with just HJs". This is simply not the picture of present-day escorting in most places in the world today.
    SC, I agree with you that it's not easily done, and perhaps not possible at all in many cities, but it is possible.

    I only do massage and fetish stuff, and I advertise and am reviewed on escort forums. I make it very clear (and refer to reviews which also make it very clear) that there is no FS/BJ/etc. It helps that I'm very good at what I do, and that before I came up from under the radar one of the local moderators of such a forum was a regular client. He reviewed me and made it clear that I'm good at what I do and that I really only do what I say I do before I ever posted there.

    Still, I charge less than FS girls, and see only a few semi-regular men.

    To be clear, I'm not recommending that anyone run out and try to do this. If you randomly start advertising yourself as an escort who doesn't do FS, customers won't believe you and you may get hurt.

    Lena



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    For anyone interested in more details, here is the link to Pamela's original thread about her career as a "no sex" escort:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41782

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    I'd recommend FBSM to women who really dont want to do full service. You will expected to be topless/nude and HJ, but guys would know up front if you say FBSM only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by london
    I'd recommend FBSM to women who really dont want to do full service. You will expected to be topless/nude and HJ, but guys would know up front if you say FBSM only.

    Whats? FBSM??

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    Full body sensual massage. Performed scantily clad or nude with a happy ending/handjob. Indicates that the woman doesn't provide full service, intercourse.

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    To be clear, FBSM does mean no intercourse and no BJ to most guys, to the best of my knowledge, but it also implies a lot of contact, something along the lines of a rather permissive lap dance in which the customer is nude as well as the dancer and in which he is allowed rather extensive touching priviledges. Plus, of course, the HJ "completion".

    To further complicate matters, quite a few escorts offer FBSM at some relatively low rate and then, once the guy is getting really excited, try to sell him a BJ or intercourse for a steep additional "tip", a technique often called "up selling". As a result, many guys will expect that option (depending on their previous experiences) even if you advertise "FBSM only".

    Also, fwiiw, I have heard of only a hand full of indie internet escorts who appear to have been successful solely on a FSBM basis, and they were all said to offer something really special/unusual in terms of looks and personality.

    All that said, FBSM is a really useful term to employ if you want to signal customers that there will be no BJs or intercourse available; it is probably a lot more clearly understood than the "time and companionship only" cliche.

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