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    Very disturbing article.



    I dont understand how this is let to happen and why this man is not in jail?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh

    I dont understand how this is let to happen and why this man is not in jail?!

    It's very easy to understand ... the answer was right in the article ...

    (snip)"In Arizona and California, McCoon filed the liens through county recorders' offices, which have no authority to determine if liens are legitimate.

    "If it meets the proper format, we record it," said Barbara Frerichs, a manager with the Maricopa County Recorder's Office. "Unfortunately, the laws don't even require the signature of the debtor."(snip)


    thus the same wonderful efficiency of local gov't agencies which enables illegal aliens to collect social benefits has allowed Mr. McCoon to record his leins.

    And according to my read of the article, no court has yet ruled on the issue of whether or not Mr. McCoon's filing of 'mechanic's leins' against the property of people who actually did owe delinquent credit card debts was illegal - it isn't a common practice but that doesn't mean it's automatically illegal either.

    What clearly WAS illegal is Mr. McCoon accepting money in payment of delinquent credit card debts from the homeowners and then not turning over that money to the creditors ... but the article doesn't state anywhere that this actually occurred either. Under existing laws, it's entirely possible that Mr. McCoon will be considered a very clever delinquent debt 'bounty hunter', as both California and Arizona have passed 'bounty hunter' laws which allow private persons to 'assist' creditors (including the IRS and Cal FTB) in the identification and collection of money owed to them in return for a fee or percentage.

    In truth, since these 'bounty hunter' laws were passed a couple of years back, I have been expecting some 'bounty hunter' to start checking out the strip clubs sooner or later !

    Playing 'Devil's Advocate', and exempting the cases where there apparently was no legitimate delinquent debt behind the 'mechanic's lein', this news story again points out the rapidly decomposing paradigm that Americans can run up big delinquent debts without permanent negative consequences ... and particularly without putting ownership of their home (or the ability to sell/refinance it) in danger.
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    Between eminent domain, high prices, these "zombie debt" scams, fascist home owner associations, arbitary laws - it makes you really wonder if you should buy a house to begin with these days.

    Maybe that is why all these retiree's are living out of RVs these days.

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    Maybe that is why all these retiree's are living out of RVs these days
    I'll take a good sized sailboat instead !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    I'll take a good sized sailboat instead !
    I have definitely thought about that. Or one of those desert shore house boats. Slap it on the Missississippi or southern lake and be a happy camper.

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    I'm with mel on the sailboat

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    Does a yacht count as a sailboat?

    'Cause I vote for yacht.



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    no property taxes with a boat, right? maybe that IS the better route from all the info Ive gotten on my other thread....

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    Well, you have property taxes on the boat too depending on the state. But I've had the sail boat.

    My next would be a trawler. They are like an ocean houseboat. Big, well appointed, but with an efficient diesel engine that gets you where you want to go at those island crusing speeds.

    Well, maybe I could go for the yacht. As back ground, this strange spelling stands for.
    Your Ass Can Help Too.

    On Topic. I just got an email from a broker in Myrtle Beach that I was working with and he tells me it is now.... a buyers market.. hmmmm.

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    Slap it on the Missississippi or southern lake and be a happy camper.
    The idea was to have a 'sea-worthy' craft large enough that I could live on it full time, but which also has the capabilities of pulling out of US waters in favor of Mexico or the Cayman Islands if everything goes to hell in a handbasket. 50-60 ft catamaran, anyone ?

    Thwe 'tin foil hat' crowd would raise the point that during the 'great depression' laws were enacted which allowed the US gov't to confiscate gold from US citizens with the 'official price' being paid in compensation, while the gov't turned around and resold that gold for 3 times as much in international markets. Gov't's also have the power to limit cross-border money/asset transfers, which are meant to limit 'capital flight' if and when the US$ begins to crash, but which could force US citizens to sit idly by and watch the value of their savings and investments evaporate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    The idea was to have a 'sea-worthy' craft large enough that I could live on it full time, but which also has the capabilities of pulling out of US waters in favor of Mexico or the Cayman Islands if everything goes to hell in a handbasket. 50-60 ft catamaran, anyone ?

    Thwe 'tin foil hat' crowd would raise the point that during the 'great depression' laws were enacted which allowed the US gov't to confiscate gold from US citizens with the 'official price' being paid in compensation, while the gov't turned around and resold that gold for 3 times as much in international markets. Gov't's also have the power to limit cross-border money/asset transfers, which are meant to limit 'capital flight' if and when the US$ begins to crash, but which could force US citizens to sit idly by and watch the value of their savings and investments evaporate.
    Yes, it's pirating without the ships, cannons, and faring the rough seas.

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