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    Default Ever get tired of hustling...

    Last night I did okay. I didn't do many dances, but I had a customer giving me $20s to just sit and entertain him. He didn't stay long, so I had to get back to work fairly quickly.

    I had a hell of a time selling dances last night. I watched all the other (hustler) girls doing dance after dance, with customers who had turned me down. I felt like I could have sold more dances, but my timing was totally off.

    By about my fourth hour working, I was getting tired of being all "peppy" and talking to customers who kept turning me down for dances. The money was definately in the club, but for some reason it was very hard for me to make a sale yesterday. I eventually got to the point of "why bother". I KNOW I was doing a good job. When I put forth that kind of effort, I usually kick-ass and take names, but yesterday was so NOT my day.

    I had guys say things like "I bought a dance from the other girl because you weren't here when I was ready".

    Holy God! Am I suposed to be at all places at once? Or is it that the customers aren't all that picky who they buy dances from, as long as the dancer asks him when he is ready to go?

    Usually when a customer tells me "maybe later" I take that to mean "no". I do check back, just to be sure. I know the reason why I wasn't making any money was totally something that I was (or wasn't) doing, but I just don't know what that is.

    Any advice??

    As a side note... The dancers that did very little hustling (or none) really didn't make a thing yesterday.


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    Even the most seasoned salespeople have odd days from time to time. This aside though, rather than looking at this as "hustling", look at what you are doing as nothing more than playing a game. So, here is one way you can start to mix it up a bit. Set different planned outcomes for each night you work when you first come on your shift and then give yourself small rewards for it. For example, if you sell X number of dances in three consecutive hours, you get to have a massage the next day. If you make three or more trips to the VIP room in one shift, you get a pedicure, etc. The key is to write down your plan, post it in your locker, and stick to it. If you set your plan as being "A minimum of five lap dances per hour on this shift" and you fall one dance short, you don't get the reward. Keep it fun though. Maybe even start a fun competition with another dancer in the club...not a catty one, but a fun one..."first one to 10 lap dances tonight has to buy the other one a drink" and so forth.

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    It's hard for me to stay positive after a bad shift. It's especially frustrating when you know you tried. I'm a fair weather entertainer, I love my job when I'm making $$$ then I bitch and threaten to quit after a slow night. Thankfully, the bad nights are few and the rants short lived. Hang in there!

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    Default Re: Ever get tired of hustling...

    this also happens to me sometimes,i try to push myself to stay motivated after getting rejected,but this iw truly difficult.
    honestly,the last time i went in to work,that had happened-and i have had trouble going back to work since.
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    Yeah, I had a night like that last night. For the first three hours, I made like $70. I ended up having an Ok night, but went home early and could have made quite a bit more if I weren't so discouraged.

    Interestingly though, while I thought I was maintaining a chipper, peppy style in the face of constant rejection, at one point a regular of mine just grabbed me and said "come on, you look so sad walking around, let's go for some dances". He actually did cheer me up after that, but I was surprised to hear that I looked "sad". I was in a dour mood for personal reasons, and although I thought I was hiding it as well as ever, I guess not.

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    Days like this seem to happen to everyone, so don't beat yourself up. Personally, knowing someone as beautiful and smart as you has bad days, too makes me feel better about my own.

    As a dancer, it's easy to pin your self-esteem to how much you make. That's probably a common problem for all salespeople, but maybe more so for us, since what we are selling really is ourselves -- our beauty, our personality, our sexuality, and so on. When you are making more money, it really does feel like you're worth more. When you're making no money, you can start to feel literally worthless.

    Don't let yourself think this way! Of course you want to do your job well and make as much money as you can. But don't let *anybody*-- let alone the cheap bastards in your club who obviously didn't appreciate what you were offering -- put a price tag on you. Only you know how much you're worth.

    Get out there and get 'em, Paris!

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    The club I'm working at is very stage focused. Most of the customers will buy dances right after they see a dancer do her stage set.

    I was on stage 4 times last night. We had 38 entertainers and two features working. Although it was the "Grand Opening" party, our Friday night crowd was pretty typical for any other Friday.

    I was pretty irritated that the management made promises about capping the number of girls allowed to work, and that if we didn't get our names on the schedule to work the grand opening (or called off or whatever) we would be suspended. We were also informed that if we were late for our shift, we would be sent home, and/or suspended.

    At 11:30pm last night 4 dancers I've never seen before added on and worked until closing! I felt like this is a slap in the face to their house dancers. I know that management sees dancers as a dime a dozen, but this club has had staffing problems for all the time I've worked there.

    I was even pulled out of VIP last night, and away from a paying customer (in the middle of a dance, no less) to go do the "cattle call" t-shirt promotion. I told the bouncer just to bring me a shirt, and I'll pay for it. But NOOOOO... The managers needed to show off to the owners how many millions of dancers they had working, and we all had to parade around the club as if we were champions in a dog show.

    The thing that really kills me is that after this weekend, all the managers will be kissing ass to the house girls and making excuses to the owners that they just don't have enough girls.

    Of the dancers working last night, about 15 of them were local. All the rest were from who knows where, but no where close. So when all the out of town girls leave ( and bad mouth the club beacuse they didn't make much money), our club will be back to the same core of 25 girls or so- that work there week in and week out. We only have 25 dancers that cover all the shifts, and last night we had 38 plus 2 features!

    I was working my ass off, trying to be bubbly, trying to sell dances. By 11pm or so I was ready to collaspe because of being rejected so many times, by so many customers.

    Tonight, I am going to view my shift as volunteerism. I'm going to drink, and I'm only going to hang out with who I want to! F*CK IT! Then in 2 weeks, when the club is hurting for dancers, I'll get my ass out of town for a while, and go work for the competition .

    And when management says "We really need you to work" I respond with "Call all those girls you had working the Grand Opening- there should be more than enough dancers on that list".

    Okay, I'm sorry about my sour grapes. But I really needed to vent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Tonight, I am going to view my shift as volunteerism. I'm going to drink, and I'm only going to hang out with who I want to! F*CK IT!
    That's kind of what I do. If I'm really having a bad night and not in the mood to keep my hustle(which is very rare), I switch to "customer mode." I drink, talk to whoever I want to, enjoy the music, and forget about making money (just enough for fees and tip outs).

    Sometimes I even end up making money anyway Sometimes I don't, but at least I don't go home all stressed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I was even pulled out of VIP last night, and away from a paying customer (in the middle of a dance, no less) to go do the "cattle call" t-shirt promotion.


    I would've quit on the spot.

    All the clubs in Oregon, Paris, and you stick with this one? You're the greatest stripper I've ever met. You don't have to settle for that shit. WALK. You can do much better!!

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    I don't think a bad night is a reason to quit neither a t-shirt promotion. It was a special event, so I think the interruption was understandable as well as the club wanting to show off their talent.

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    Oh boy can I empathise!

    There have been many a night where the ONLY reason I was NOT making much money was timing. I would be on stage when the person was ready to spend, in the dressing room brushing my hair (as it requires alot of brushing to keep it looking smooth/presentable) or re-touching my lipstick, going to the toilet, speaking to another patron.... whatever.... just timing.

    I have learnt now how to cope with these bad nights so they do not affect me anymore. I realise it is just one night. Sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't for whatever reason. Why stress? If you can leave early, do so. If you cannot, just do as per a previous poster said, go into "customer mode" and enjoy yourself. I've even taken a nice long nap waiting for me to be able to go home.



    In the end, I know when to "call it" if I am being unsuccessful. I have to look after me and make sure I will be okay working my next shift (usually the next night). My sanity and esteem comes first.

    It is just one night. It is now in the past. Approach each night a-new.


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    When I have nights like this, I cheer myself up by thinking about how I'm almost due for one of those nights when you barely have time to get the "hello" out before Mr. High-roller sweeps you off into the champagne room for three hours because he likes your toenails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    Days like this seem to happen to everyone, so don't beat yourself up. Personally, knowing someone as beautiful and smart as you has bad days, too makes me feel better about my own.

    As a dancer, it's easy to pin your self-esteem to how much you make. That's probably a common problem for all salespeople, but maybe more so for us, since what we are selling really is ourselves -- our beauty, our personality, our sexuality, and so on. When you are making more money, it really does feel like you're worth more. When you're making no money, you can start to feel literally worthless.

    Don't let yourself think this way! Of course you want to do your job well and make as much money as you can. But don't let *anybody*-- let alone the cheap bastards in your club who obviously didn't appreciate what you were offering -- put a price tag on you. Only you know how much you're worth.

    Get out there and get 'em, Paris!
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon
    I don't think a bad night is a reason to quit neither a t-shirt promotion. It was a special event, so I think the interruption was understandable as well as the club wanting to show off their talent.
    You girls have to sell t-shirts??? oh man, I get sad when I hear that dancers are required to sell things for their clubs. Even drinks....that, in my opinion, is the waitress's job. I don't think I could handle that. It's bad enough trying to sell dances.

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    I really think it's more about good luck and good timing than anything in this business. You just have to be in the right place at the right time with the right person.

    I know a lot of drop dead gorgeous dancers at my work who are great hustlers that can pull nights over $1,000 easily and occasionally barely make the house fee on other nights with all the same circumstances... makes me feel better about my horrible nights and hope things will be better the next night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex
    You girls have to sell t-shirts??? oh man, I get sad when I hear that dancers are required to sell things for their clubs.
    I've got one better for you then. Club Paradise in Vegas used to make the dancers buy a T-shirt for their shift in addition to the house fees for $20.00. Then, during a certain hour of the night, the club would run a promotion of, "buy a lap dance and get a free t-shirt!" so now the dancer sells a dance, gives the shirt away, and essentially just gets reimbursed for the shirt while she's dancing for this customer. I know they used to do this there all the time and it's possible they still do. While it's a great club to work at, it's still a crappy thing to do.

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    It sounds like it's time to test some other clubs. The management/ownership at your spot seems....nuts! Inturrupting a VIP??!! NUTS. As for the bad night customer are full of excuses when they are broke. I notice I can do nothing right when they have no money. I hear 'why can't I touch your boobs' most often when they are broke. Your timing wasn't wrong they just weren't man enough to admit they had a tight budget that night. Don't worry, those Christmas bills will be paid off soon and then you'll be right on time again .

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    It's screwy. They can smell when you're sad or tired . . .

    I've noticed that there's a certain threshold of "ping" time -- I've gotta get a "hit" once every so often, whether that's a dance or a decent stage tip or a good conversation with someone who's going to come back and see me later (when things are slow) in order to keep going. If I hit an hour or so with no "hits" at all, my brain shuts down and I want to go home.

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    well guess what happens at my club.
    at 11:00
    in the evening,the girls all take a turn(very quickly)to
    show off all the dancers,
    and then we get to find a victim for a free table dance.
    sometimes the client will buy more dances afterwards,
    but usually the"cheapie crowd"will come to the clu b at this time just for the free dance.
    we too are pulled out of the champagne room for this.
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    ^^^Yes! "Showcase" blows rhinos. I think they could at least take the ten dollars that the air dance costs us, and knock it off our house fee. We get $10 off for whipping a guy for two seconds and showing boobs for a stag, and not the showcase? dumb.

    but they do it cuz they can. Sooo many girls some nights- they know they can make demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex
    You girls have to sell t-shirts??? oh man, I get sad when I hear that dancers are required to sell things for their clubs. Even drinks....that, in my opinion, is the waitress's job. I don't think I could handle that. It's bad enough trying to sell dances.
    As a customer, I hate this kind of shit. Another reason for me to never set foot in a Stars location again. Restated this way: Hello Management! I'm not in here for the lame T-shirt, OK? Thanks.....

    Sheesh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the801
    As a customer, I hate this kind of shit. Another reason for me to never set foot in a Stars location again. Restated this way: Hello Management! I'm not in here for the lame T-shirt, OK? Thanks.....

    Sheesh....

    801inPDX
    Yeah, REALLY! I would think that if a customer wanted to buy a shirt, he would ask for one at the bar or concession area, and not be made to feel pressured to make a purchase from a dancer. I think a dancer's job is to entertain, not to peddle stupid little extras and make money for the club.

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    There's a club in Salem, a new one called LaDonna's Exotic Lounge. They have a classified ad in Exotic Mag calling for dancers . . .

    And then a few pages later, there's a full-page ad boasting, "Home of the FREE private dance."

    Yeah, I suppose that makes dancers want to work there.

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    Saturday was better for me, and I actually made more $$ w/o doing a thing! Not a record setting night or anything, mind you, but I was getting tipped for conversation and the like.

    Yeah, the t-shirt promotion is stupid, but the club does not force us to buy them. If we don't sell a dance, then we simply get on a stage and dance an extra stage set. This will usually net me more than the t-shirt dance would have (the special is 2 dances for $50 and the house takes $10 for the shirt). If I don't sell my shirt, I simply give it back to the club- no charge.

    So how to get around doing the t-shirt promotion? Simply wander around the club and not talk to any customers. Then simply get on stage when the DJ announces that the promotion dances are begining. The promotion is really a crappy deal for the customers, too. The songs are cut so that both songs last less than 4 minutes total.

    We didn't have to do the promotions on Saturday because every customer got a gift bag of cheap crap including a t-shirt.

    Last night I had a nice regualr bring me a platinum necklace (he meant to bring it on Valentine's but he was called out of town). It is georgeous! Made my night! Anyway, the Saturday night party was a total clusterf*ck, and most of the staff got fired (and re-hired Sunday morning), since I was oblivious to what was happening with everyone else, I actually had a pretty good time. Everything was back to normal as of Sunday. Same club, just new location.

    Yes, I am thinking about trying some other places. I KNOW that I will never again work a party night as a house dancer. If they want me there they need to hire me as a Feature.

    At least now I know that any threats from management are empty. I can blow off the club and still have a job. Man, did they ever screw up! Now the dancers will be able to walk all over them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechaosfairy
    There's a club in Salem, a new one called LaDonna's Exotic Lounge. They have a classified ad in Exotic Mag calling for dancers . . .

    And then a few pages later, there's a full-page ad boasting, "Home of the FREE private dance."

    Yeah, I suppose that makes dancers want to work there.
    Hahaha

    Oh My Gawd! Stripper volunteerism! Broke bastards need lap dances too!

    I've never been to this club but the "free" dances are probably just some kind of gimmic anyway. Like free [totally clothed] private dances from 10 feet away, or something.

    I know that if you aren't at least a little profecient in spanish, that you won't be able make a thing in this club.


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