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    redneck or racist?? whats the difference??( very long)

    i work at a LD club in virginia. the owner also has 4 other establishments. 2 of them runway(stage) clubs. well ive been working at the lap club for a little more than a year and i think i make decent money. well i have been thinkin seriously about dancing at the stage club also. well i spoke to the manager who is really cool and he said that its not against me its just his customers will say nasty things and he cant be there all the time to discipline them. he said hecant have too many black girls on the schedule. he has 3 as of now but he said he cant afford to have 4. he said that the custies are rednecks. the daytime custies. he says that he would love to have me up there and im very beautiful but he would lose business. he says he loses them if a white girl goes up there who has a mixed child. what should i do about that?? should i give up and stay at the lap club or just not work during the day??? when i sat in there watching the otherday girls all thses alleged rednecks were looking at me but not like whats that nigger doing in here but like wow shes cute when is she getting on stage!!!! at the lap club believe it or not most of my clientele is white and a lot of those rednecks dance with me there. i know this is long but i really want some suggestions. thanks in advance.
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    Default Re: redneck or racist?? whats the difference??( very long)

    Go, do whatever you want, and find out for yourself. Honestly, it's just the manager who's racist. Personally, I wouldn't bother to work for that manager/club at all if he said that to me. Still, if you think that they'll let you work there if you put your foot down, then go.

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    hes really not like that. he is a sweet guy he defends u. but he says that he wants me up there but he doesnt want me to feel hurt if said situation were to happen as it sometimes does. he says that they may not even say anything but they would just walk out even if there was a barbie doll on the next stage just becuz i was up there. the bartender that works during the day is some airhead beer girl has been that makes friends with all the custies and wont tell them if they are wrong. he will though. if some one was to ask him "who hired a n***er?" he would say why the fuck do u care, or i did asshole. some bartenders who work wont even book u on their shift if they think the custies will walk out cuz they have to make their tips.
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    a lot of clubs limit the number of black girls if they don't have the clientel to support it.

    Maybe it's racism. Maybe there really is an arbitrary percentage. It seems to happen a lot, but realistically, if the customer base seems to prefer white girls, and there are a high percentage of black girls, then the black girls suffer.

    I've heard black girls complain that there were too many black girls working.

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    he said hecant have too many black girls on the schedule. he has 3 as of now but he said he cant afford to have 4. he said that the custies are rednecks...he says he loses them if a white girl goes up there who has a mixed child. what should i do about that??
    I can't quite understand something - you are black or you are white with a mixed-race child? If the latter, how would customers know if you had a child of any kind if it is a new club to you?

    Anyhow, it may be a good thing to go with your manager's instinct. But he could put you next on the list for when a slot opens up. Is the club safe? He does seem to appreciate you.

    Wondering if the club gets much business from the Naval Base? I'd think not, but racism is active in certain places yet.
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    Me personally, I dont like your manager. Hell the place I work at isn't to tolerant to racial diversity but I've never (not to say it hasn't happened) heard a customer say anything out of the way to me about my race. There are redneck's where I work, hey maybe even a handful of racists, it's not your job to ask them for dances.

    Ok, I'm kinda confused about one thing. You're manager says that he has to many black girls working..how many white girls work at your club? Are 3 black girls working the dayshift? Because from your post, that's what it seems like. I ask because if there are so many black girls working at day, why can't you work at night?

    Quietly as kept, those rednecky looking guys LOVES them some women of color, and they will spend. Remember, men go to the strip club for fantasy. I still can't help but wonder though, why are you so loyal to this man's business if he's not trying to give you any??







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    I think I will take the unpopular and un-PC side on this one. I work in a highly redneck-ish LD club myself. And honestly, if there are on or two black girls on a shift, they BANK. I don't know for sure, but I believe it is because they stand out as different and exotic. IF there are a great many black girls on the shift, they make almost nothing. It is easy to figure that out b/c we don't have VIP rooms, or the kind of clientelle who will often tip you for convo. So unless a girl is dancing, she is not earning. And you can always see who is dancing and who is sitting.

    So I believe your manager may have a valid point.

    My advice would be, tell your manager that you want to work in the other club, and you are not afraid of being insulted. Tell him you want to make a trial run, and ask when the best shifts would be for you to work (that is to say, the ones with the lowest ratio of exotic girls.) Make it seem like you are jsut curious about the stage club, and will be totally cool with it if things don't wok out. That way, Mr. Manager worn't feel like he may eventaully have to pull you out of the club and it will hurt your feelings. Then, even if you only work a couple of shifts a week at first, you can start building up your clientelle. When one of the other black dancers quits that club, you can pick up more shifts.

    That will be a seamless way to change over clubs without taking a big dip in pay, and by telling Mr. Mgr that you jsut want to TRY it, it takes the pressure off him. Since he seems to feel that he needs to protect you from the rednecks, make sure to reassure him that you are not going to be upset if they say mean things to you. (But you have to mean this. If you talk a big game and then run to the dressing roon in tears the first time you hear the n-word, you will loose credibitity.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaluah20
    hes really not like that. he is a sweet guy he defends u. but he says that he wants me up there but he doesnt want me to feel hurt if said situation were to happen as it sometimes does. he says that they may not even say anything but they would just walk out even if there was a barbie doll on the next stage just becuz i was up there. the bartender that works during the day is some airhead beer girl has been that makes friends with all the custies and wont tell them if they are wrong. he will though. if some one was to ask him "who hired a n***er?" he would say why the fuck do u care, or i did asshole. some bartenders who work wont even book u on their shift if they think the custies will walk out cuz they have to make their tips.
    Well, you know your manager and I don't. But when people start telling me how un-prejudiced they are, I always sniff around for bullshit. Have you actually seen him defending black girls from racist customers, or has he just told you about it? Is it possible he's trying to keep you happy while not putting girls on stage that HE doesn't want to see there? Not all racists use the N-word. Some are polite as hell. You can't listen to what they say, you have to watch what they DO.

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    I have also, unfortunately heard customers say that there are too many black girls working. In a number of different clubs. Is it racist? Yes. Yes it is. I have also heard customers say that they ONLY like women of colour. That seems less racist and more fetishist, although it is still offensive. However, ultimately there is a standard of beauty in our culture, and that standard is white. (Like everyone - start counting black supermodels... now.). So it is difficult to say whether or not it is the manager simply espousing his own preferences, or if it really is observed behaviour. Either way - it is racist and bad, but there is NOTHING you can do about it. I mean, even with perfect employment law, exotic dancing is appearance oriented, and therefore appearance is, legally, a bona fide job qualification, and it is a qualification that is largely left to the discretion of management.
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    There is a policy at my club about only having x- amount of black girls scheduled for particular shifts. Of course it's racist. I have heard customers comment on how many black girls are in the club, if they seem to think there are a lot. Sometimes I feel like a stripper version of Candide, because that kind of talk honestly shocks me from some people. Educated, albeit asshole men, but still. From staff and other girls. It never ceases to catch me off guard. I have lived me one sheltered little life, apparently. However, there are certain (white) customers who only get dances from black girls. I don't know. It could be true that the black girls who make less per girl if there were more of them per shift, but we all make less when there are TOO MANY girls on schedule period. The logic doesn't follow- they're not doing it for our benefit. Otherwise, there wouldn't be seven girls on one shift and almost fifty on another. They're doing it to not have an appearance of too many black girls working. Whether it's because they (staff) are personally racist, the customer base is racist, or (likely) both, it's just plain racist.

    It's a shitty truth. It sucks, really. But given how pervasive these attitudes are, I guess all anyone can do is work around them as best you can.

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    Being black myself I will give my take on this. I started dancing in the late 80's and will tell you that this business ALWAYS has been tough on our race.

    White males are a problem in this country in many ways, far beyond the strip club. (I am not directing this at every white male, so WM SW members don't get mad at me.) Many feel insecure when they feel other races are whittling away their power. This has historically been the case in our country.

    They simply control virtually all of this nations wealth and feel entitled to preferential treatment. Many will smile and speak to other races but don't let another race date their son or daughter.

    Many older white men don't change with the times. They don't keep up with changes in fashion and music, and become uncomfortable with being in an environment vastly different than their upbringing. Compare that to many black men who are still "hitting the clubs" at age 50.

    A black middle aged man will sit in a club where very few if any black dancers work, and listen to rock music and the occasional "acceptable" song by a black artist such as the played out Let's Get it On, by Marvin Gaye, or an old Michael Jackson tune, and not raise a fuss, but if a similarly aged white man is in a club where maybe 1/2 the girls who showed up to work that night are black, and where 1/2 the songs played may be by 50 cent, The Ying Yang Twins, or Mariah Carey, and all of a sudden the club sucks.

    That is why this country will never be anywhere near color blind in my lifetime.

    I have noticed in this business during my years, that a "so called" "good" club starts to hire the amount of black girls it should have always had on the books, when business has dropped.

    And I agree with some of the other posters. The more a person says he's not prejudiced, they more he is. If your manager were a truly good guy with principles, he wouldn't give a flying fuck about a few prejudiced customers. He'd just throw them out and only cater to the guys who behave like gentlemen.

    I know many of you white dancers can't visualize this, but picture Pamela Anderson, Tyra Banks, and Halle Berry walking into a club seeking work, and the club owner saying "I'll hire you Pam, but I don't need anymore black gals". This happens ALL the time, no matter how attractive a black girl is. A black girl is seen as black before she is seen as pretty by management.

    It's all about money, and it is a rare white owner of any business that will compromise potential dollars over doing the right thing.Realistically, a club doesn't need bigoted customers, as they are usually bad people anyway.

    White male business owners MUST be lessened, and replaced with female and "business smart" black ones. IF a club is PROPERLY integrated, and marketed, I feel the IDEAL racial mix of dancers should be comprised of about 1/3 non white dancers. And if a club offers excellent customer service, comparable to Nordstrom, seating the guys, massaging them, offering them complimentary snacks, constantly making sure they don't need anything, and the dancers are friendly, pretty,articulate,have good manners, and are good company, guys WILL continue to patronize a club with a high racial mix of dancers. 60-65% white girls is PLENTY for ANY club.

    Sure it is hard to work with TOO MANY black girls. That is why I work bookings in small towns where usually I am the only black dancer out of 5-7 girls, or on occasion there are 2 of us.

    And there are some clubs in rural white America with almost all black girls, and the types of black girls who work there are reproducing slavery, and making ALL of their money lining up "after hours dates" with the older white customers. These kinds of white customers mostly see black girls as convenient, inexpensive pussy, but the black girls who service these men look at what they are doing as the only way they can make money off of white men.

    You mentioned that you want to work at a stage only club compared to your current club which has lap dances. Stage only clubs are less money normally as dancers are dependent on a customers generosity to earn money, compared to using their sellings skills and exerting control over the customer to get money. I compare that to being young and having to ask your parents for money, versus working and having your own money to buy whatever you want. The latter is better, right?
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    I have a close friend from the Bahamas. She is of course black and gets most of her dances from rednecks, go figure. Redneck type of men probably talk shit about black people to their friends to get acceptance here in the south while in reality their ultimate fantasy is to be with a black woman.

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    I don't know what it is either. But 200 years ago slave-owners were having sex with the black women they 'owned'. I guess, in these modern circumstances, there still is just something about that appeal.

    (Re my mention of slavery. Don't get upset about that, please. I hate that despicable part of our history as much as anyone else. Hell, the US squabbled politically over it for the 50-100 years and then fought biggest, most destructive war the US has ever had over that long-standing issue. And even that did not end the injustice or reparations.)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    We have a couple of beautiful black dancers at my home club. In fact, they're probably two of the best stage performers there. But more often than not, they get less attention on stage than their white counterparts, many of which are riddled with tattoos, cellulite, bruises, and other detractive characteristics.

    While I think the black gals have as much right to try their hand at stage dancing as anybody else (and management apparently agreed), I've personally never bought a dance from either of them. In the meantime, I have bought dances from arguably less attractive white dancers. Does that somehow make me a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    In the meantime, I have bought dances from arguably less attractive white dancers. Does that somehow make me a racist?
    No, it doesn't make you a racist, all men have a preference. I've had the same thing happen to me. A man will tell me I'm beautiful, pretty whatever, then refuse a dance. Then some sloppy (in the body) not to cute in the face white girl comes up, and he's buying dance after dance? Why???

    I'm curious Doc, why would you rather not buy a dance from the beautiful black girls at your club, instead of going towards the less attractive white dancers?







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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    I know many of you white dancers can't visualize this, but picture Pamela Anderson, Tyra Banks, and Halle Berry walking into a club seeking work, and the club owner saying "I'll hire you Pam, but I don't need anymore black gals". This happens ALL the time, no matter how attractive a black girl is. A black girl is seen as black before she is seen as pretty by management.

    It's all about money, and it is a rare white owner of any business that will compromise potential dollars over doing the right thing.Realistically, a club doesn't need bigoted customers, as they are usually bad people anyway.

    White male business owners MUST be lessened, and replaced with female and "business smart" black ones. IF a club is PROPERLY integrated, and marketed, I feel the IDEAL racial mix of dancers should be comprised of about 1/3 non white dancers. And if a club offers excellent customer service, comparable to Nordstrom, seating the guys, massaging them, offering them complimentary snacks, constantly making sure they don't need anything, and the dancers are friendly, pretty,articulate,have good manners, and are good company, guys WILL continue to patronize a club with a high racial mix of dancers. 60-65% white girls is PLENTY for ANY club.
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    Doc-catfish, you might just like the scruffy look. So the test would be if you saw a hot scruffy black chick and still only wanted the scruffy white chick. If you wanted both I guess you're not racist. Take 'em both man, they're all pink on the inside! And to Kahlua 20, I've had the experience of my manager warning me the custys were racist tightwads and he was right. I've had the experience of my manager marveling at the money and devotion I've gotten out of them. Either way, if the money or experience looks like it's worth it GO FOR IT MAMA! Hey, I had a redneck dude with a confederate flag roll up on me at the beach trying to get my number ! So, they don't know how they feel 'til snakie tells 'em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    Hey, I had a redneck dude with a confederate flag roll up on me at the beach trying to get my number !
    Ha, I had the same thing happen to me when I was a private dancer. That dude couldn't stop telling me how hot I was







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    thanks everyone for your input!!! i really appreciate it. i am a west indian american dark skinned young woman. i dont plan on leaving the ld club for the stage money. that would be suicide!!! but it just looks like fun and excercise. im going to try it. im going to do both!!!
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    How patronising and frustrating! I always had a problem with white people when they've tryied to tell me how it is to be black and how they think "other" people are going to react to me. Umm I think I would know since I'm the one living in my skin! Every person of colour is well aware about racism, we deal with it one way or another - end of story. (When people give us the chance to find out anyway.)
    I hope your manager gives you a chance to proove him wrong, good luck!

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    To Tina.
    "White male business owners MUST be lessened, and replaced with female and "business smart" black ones. IF a club is PROPERLY integrated, and marketed, I feel the IDEAL racial mix of dancers should be comprised of about 1/3 non white dancers."

    I don't know for sure but I think that blacks are about 13% of the population.
    Why would you think it is fair for black dancers to be 33% of clubs.

    I have always heard that blacks are more prejudiced than whites. I think that your suggestions of upping the percent of dancers to three times the normal occurance in the population is an example of this. Maybe I am wrong.

    White males must be replaced by blacks sounds a little funny. Last I heard anyone with the money could buy a club. Do you think Black guys or females can't buy clubs?

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    To answer your question Nikki2Florida, I said that WOMEN OF COLOR should be 1/3 of the mix of dancers in EVERY club. That includes hispanics, asians, native americans, and blacks.

    Why should white people get ALL the work, and other races get very little?

    As far as anyone with money being able to buy a club, white males have access to more money than ethnic people. If more clubowners were blacks and women, they could change the hiring practices that foster discrimination. More ethnic clubowners = a fairer racial mix of women and staff in the clubs.

    Picture this country without ever having slavery, and where black people have never experienced discrimination. Many blacks are angry because of segregation, and segregation is the reason black parents, great grandparents and grandparents don't have the money to pass on to their offspring. A larger percentage of white offspring have inherited wealth from family members than is the case with blacks, right? That access to money is what allows a person to be able to purchase businesses involving lots of capital, right?

    This is a white male dominated country. White females don't have the same clout to open and operate a club as their male counterparts. A lot of bribes and bs is involved in owning a highprofile club in a major city. Blacks and women do not yet have access to the "good ole boys club" which allows these businesses to get proper zoning, less police hassles, and liquor licenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikki2florida
    To Tina.
    "White male business owners MUST be lessened, and replaced with female and "business smart" black ones. IF a club is PROPERLY integrated, and marketed, I feel the IDEAL racial mix of dancers should be comprised of about 1/3 non white dancers."

    I don't know for sure but I think that blacks are about 13% of the population.
    Why would you think it is fair for black dancers to be 33% of clubs.

    I have always heard that blacks are more prejudiced than whites. I think that your suggestions of upping the percent of dancers to three times the normal occurance in the population is an example of this. Maybe I am wrong.

    White males must be replaced by blacks sounds a little funny. Last I heard anyone with the money could buy a club. Do you think Black guys or females can't buy clubs?
    First off, Tina said 1/3 non-white dancers. Last I checked blacks weren't the only colored folk I think a club should be properly intergrated. My club on the weekend works about 35 girls. 1 black (me) Sometimes our token Asian girl works, or the token latina works. There needs to be more variety!

    And where have you heard that blacks are more predjudiced against whites. Plz...All people have their own views on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikki2florida
    White males must be replaced by blacks sounds a little funny. Last I heard anyone with the money could buy a club. Do you think Black guys or females can't buy clubs?
    It's not about black males or females can't buy clubs, it's about this country HELL this world is white male dominated...

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    Default Re: redneck or racist?? whats the difference??( very long)

    I've just been thinking about this thread and about my club. Here are my thoughts in no particular order:

    Like I've posted before, my club was the best in town a few years ago, and has gone way downhill. The high-rollers are vanishing and being replaced by blue-collar guys (all races -- if I had to to guess I'd say 45% white, 45% Latino, 10% black.)

    "Traditional" custies, i.e. middle-aged white-collar white dudes, complain about the hip-hop music and the "rough" customers, but not about the black and Latina dancers. These girls do seem to sell dances.

    Black customers don't come in much, and a few have complained to me that "this isn't my kind of club" etc. I'm not sure what they mean, but maybe too much rock n' roll and country music and too few other black customers? They don't seem to feel comfortable.

    The club's always been very picky about hiring black dancers, less so about hiring Latina and white dancers. As a result, the black dancers used to be the hottest girls in the club and the best dancers, since they were being held to a higher standard just to get in the door.

    Now that business is bad and dancers are moving on, the club is desperate for girls, and most of the new hires have been black girls. They are still pretty, but not as drop-dead as the others.

    White-collar customers have continued to leave the club. One of them told me a few weeks ago that he doesn't like to come in anymore because it's a "black club now." Which is weird, because even with the new hires, the shift is still probably 50% white, 25% Latina, 25% black. And there are still very few black customers.

    So it seems this club isn't pleasing anyone. It's too "black" for the old white dudes and still not a comfortable place for black customers to be. It would almost be funny if it weren't so...sad.

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    Default Re: redneck or racist?? whats the difference??( very long)

    That is exactly what I mean by middle aged white men being uncomfortable with change and in being around other "men" who are not like themselves.

    These guys need to learn how to just "get along". But, these white collar middle aged types see the hip hop culture as a bunch of angry black (or latino) males out to get them. The music represents hatred for the high income white male who rules this society. This personifies the fact that many, but not all, middle aged upper income white males are the real racists.

    How many of you guys really think the hip hop looking customers in a club are thinking about harming or robbing these white guys? 35 years ago the hippies made this same class of men uncomfortable. These guys at this age don't want to mix with other different types of people, do they?

    This problem could have been fixed without too much attrition from white men, and with an appeal that would draw more black customers. Strip clubs have POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE.
    Last edited by Tina; 03-01-2006 at 12:05 PM.

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