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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    ^ I'm pretty disgusted by both of you...don't really know what to say to that. Any women has the right to change her mind about sex at any time, and rape is, bottom line, uninvited penis (or other object) in vagina.
    Saying that she was 'asking for it', or that it wasn't rape because it wasn't with a knife in a dark alley...sick.
    I think they are more or less talking about the woman who goes and gets drunk. Acts like a total slut. Wakes up and doesn't want to admit she acted like a slut and so it must be someone's fault.

    In addition, there is the girl who plays around, hits second or third base, says no to anymore - and then claims she "almost got raped" for the activities before the guy even heard the word no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I think they are more or less talking about the woman who goes and gets drunk. Acts like a total slut. Wakes up and doesn't want to admit she acted like a slut and so it must be someone's fault.

    In addition, there is the girl who plays around, hits second or third base, says no to anymore - and then claims she "almost got raped" for the activities before the guy even heard the word no.
    BINGO!!!!!!!

    I don't think the girl in the second scenario should call it rape.It was just a simple case of changing her mind.Like I said,rape is a serious word and should not be thrown around.
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    I don't get inside elevators alone with women I don't know or barely know. I actually have quite a few things like that I won't do, just in case I'm near a crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t
    I don't get inside elevators alone with women I don't know or barely know. I actually have quite a few things like that I won't do, just in case I'm near a crazy.
    LOL,I love ya,Sh0t.
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    don't cry rape if a videotape is made of the event--and it was consesual.

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    let me tell you all something. there IS such a thing as almost raped and it doesn't have to be at a fucking frat house with some drunk skank.

    i'm not about to rehash the whole fucking thing right here but i was almost raped and if someone hadn't come in and got this fucker off of me i would have been raped.

    AND i'm sorry but i'm inclined to think that if i was drunk and came to my senses, even if it's not convenient for the guy, and said "stop, i changed my mind", that it's still MY fucking body and i can change my mind as many times as i want, so you better get your dick out of me!
    sorry for all the foul language. i do get what you guys are saying. but everything doesn't always fit into some neat little category.

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    BikiniGirl,if he still proceeds after you say "No",then that is rape.But if the guy actually stops,then you can't call it that.Sorry you went through that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    BikiniGirl,if he still proceeds after you say "No",then that is rape.But if the guy actually stops,then you can't call it that.Sorry you went through that.
    heh...thanks otb. i wasn't trying to get all hissy but some of this just struck a nerve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikinigirl04
    heh...thanks otb. i wasn't trying to get all hissy but some of this just struck a nerve.
    I think this has struck a nerve with everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikinigirl04
    let me tell you all something. there IS such a thing as almost raped and it doesn't have to be at a fucking frat house with some drunk skank.

    i'm not about to rehash the whole fucking thing right here but i was almost raped and if someone hadn't come in and got this fucker off of me i would have been raped.

    AND i'm sorry but i'm inclined to think that if i was drunk and came to my senses, even if it's not convenient for the guy, and said "stop, i changed my mind", that it's still MY fucking body and i can change my mind as many times as i want, so you better get your dick out of me!
    sorry for all the foul language. i do get what you guys are saying. but everything doesn't always fit into some neat little category.
    You're right, if you say stop, and s/he doesn't stop - then it becomes rape or at least sexual assault.

    If you're necking with someone, some boob touching starts to happen and ya say "Whoa cowboy/cowgirl!" ya can't say "I was almost raped!"

    Someone doing something your don't like without malice can't be called rape. It's called a misunderstanding that was clarified with NO.

    Otherwise love making and foreplay becomes:

    Q: I would like to kiss you - is that OK?
    A: Um sure.
    Q: I would like to caress your hair - is that OK?
    A: Sure
    Q: I would like to touch your thigh - is that OK?
    A: Sure
    ...
    Q: I would like to kiss your whoo hoo - is that OK?
    A: Um hmmm... please do!
    Q: I would like to lick your navel - is that OK?
    A: yea!
    Q: I would once again like to nuzzle your ear - is that OK?
    A: ...

    I hope you get the picture.

    It is pathetic ya almost got to set up a video camera to protect one's self from alligations.

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    i have a few things to say. First of all, this story that the topic originated with. What a wench - I'm sorry, but if she had any clue what it feels like to be personally violated in the way that a rape would...what the hell I feel like she is almost exploiting rape victims for her own personal gain.

    Second of all no one deserves it, I don't care if she, or him..., is dressed provocativly, behaving in a seductive manner, etc whatever. Whether or not you have a knife to your throat or not doesn't make anything rape. What about people who were drugged - and not just some drunk skank (at which point, can you always tell if someone is extremely drunk or on something else if you were a bystander?)

    As far as foreplay conversations, I don't think that it necesarily needs to be come a can I do this or that? But you know, maybe just a, "you sure this is ok?" when it gets real hot and heavy...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    You're right, if you say stop, and s/he doesn't stop - then it becomes rape or at least sexual assault.

    If you're necking with someone, some boob touching starts to happen and ya say "Whoa cowboy/cowgirl!" ya can't say "I was almost raped!"

    Someone doing something your don't like without malice can't be called rape. It's called a misunderstanding that was clarified with NO.
    i do agree with all of that.

    i'd also like to add that i don't think a woman is automatically a "disgusting pig" for having sex with a bunch of guys at one time that she doesn't know! (and i thought it said she knew them anyways? not sure) call me a slut if you wish but people have all sorts of weird sexual urges and not only that, if a guy were to do the same with a bunch of chics he didn't know, well he has just scored big time hasn't he! and no one is calling him a disgusting pig, they are patting him on the back.
    i do however think she's a disgusting pig for lying and crying rape if that was not the case.
    that was kind of off topic but it was a response to an earlier post.

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    I have also been 'almost raped'; I don't call it rape, I call it almost rape, and they sure as hell were going to rape me, but I got lucky. It's serious. Not of the same calibre as rape, but not something to be made light of either.

    As for the drunk girl scenario...I'm disgusted by girls who make false claims of rape- seriously, I hate them as much as I hate rapists. But false accusations are less common than the real thing, so I have to go with numbers, and I will still always believe someone if they say they were raped.

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    i'd also like to add that i don't think a woman is automatically a "disgusting pig" for having sex with a bunch of guys at one time that she doesn't know! (and i thought it said she knew them anyways? not sure) call me a slut if you wish but people have all sorts of weird sexual urges and not only that, if a guy were to do the same with a bunch of chics he didn't know, well he has just scored big time hasn't he! and no one is calling him a disgusting pig, they are patting him on the back.
    i do however think she's a disgusting pig for lying and crying rape if that was not the case.
    that was kind of off topic but it was a response to an earlier post.
    It is my post you are commenting on and so I just wanted to be clear that I would feel the same way regardless of the gender of the person.

    Call me a prude if you wish but if fucking several men all while letting them videotape the action isn't being a disgusting pig then what is ? I mean come on they approached her at 4 am outside an apartment complex for cripes sake !

    And seriously how likely do you think it is that condoms were used in this situation ? My guess is the odds are less than 10% . The cherry on top is that then she turned around and cried rape.

    Sorry but unless she was drugged then the term pig suits her perfectly (in my opinion). Actually that would be putting an real pig down unjustly because they aren't that disgusting.

    Keep in mind though that I have never and will never have sex outside of a monogamous relationship so that does color my opinions on these types of subjects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    We never said anyone asked for anything.That's just putting words in our mouths.We're just saying that the word "rape" shouldn't be used in every situation.The college co-ed has the right to change her mind,but calling it rape after the guy concedes is extremely excessive.
    I share SV's disgust, and further what do you mean by "concedes"? By concedes do you mean "stops"? If so, WHO exactly is calling that rape, other than you two? Rape is non-consensual. If the guy has consent for all activity prior to the non-consent it is not rape - and if you know of a case in which a person has been charged or convicted on such facts I would be FACINATED. By that I mean that the complainant told the police that she consented to some activity, then insisted that the guy stop and he did. Like, who calls that rape? Other than a website that is trying to be humerous.

    The case of a woman "pleading rape" the next day is simply a matter of a person lying - not a changed definition of rape. She is saying that she didn't consent when she did. That occurence is also largely an urban myth. I mean people have been falsely accused of pretty much every crime, so it has happened, but this is not something that happens with frequency. And I've read Camille Paglia. Y'all DO realize who Camille Paglia IS, right? I mean she is not an academic. She is a caricature. She is a caricature of herself. She knows full well that her work isn't academically valid - it just sells books. I mean, if you find it amusing, fine. But, for crying out loud, don't take it SERIOUSLY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    The case of a woman "pleading rape" the next day is simply a matter of a person lying - not a changed definition of rape. She is saying that she didn't consent when she did. That occurence is also largely an urban myth. I mean people have been falsely accused of pretty much every crime, so it has happened, but this is not something that happens with frequency.
    When something goes on in private, there's always different opinions and this thread has proven, third parties are often quick to judge - which often just excacerbates the problem. Guys brag about it, gals only tell special friends.

    I had a bad experience with a false claim of "forcing myself on her".

    Years back in college - at a party a friend of mine has this nosy prudish girlfriend who brought her cute friend. Cute friend hangs out in my room with my roommate - a few drinks later, she asks me to walk her home - I got back a few hours later.

    The next day, I realized I didn't have her number which was a lame excuse for not calling (I could have asked the friend's girlfriend, but she's nosy and prudish).

    A few days later, my friend approaches me and says: "Dude, XXX said you had sex, is that true?"

    With a sheepish grin I say "Yes".

    He then says: "My girlfriend says you forced yourself on her friend - it sounded like it got a little rough."

    I was shocked and thought about it for a while, trying to see where I might have done something wrong. Finally, I responded honestly:

    "I don't know how I could have forced myself on XXX - she was on top."

    True story - messed me up for a while - am a lot more careful about casual hookups since.

    Clearly - the prudish friend was pissed that her friend had slept with someone the first night and pressured her friend into saying something that wasn't true.

    There are some pink posts here about some really messed up things - for which I feel for you. There are so many ways to get screwed in the business of getting screwed.


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    Jenny,I think you need to go over this thread and reread my posts.Apparently,you and I will NEVER agree on anything.I'm done explaining myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azcustomer
    He then says: "My girlfriend says you forced yourself on her friend - it sounded like it got a little rough."

    Clearly - the prudish friend was pissed that her friend had slept with someone the first night and pressured her friend into saying something that wasn't true.
    I don't see how that is clear. That is a fourth party, not a third party. He could have simply misunderstood what his girlfriend said, or she could have misunderstood something that her friend said, or both. For example - many women are more sensitive to the idea of manipulation while another person is drunk. She might have believed - mistakenly or otherwise - that you were exploiting a situation. Guys, about this issue tend to be very polarized - witness the posts that say you're not really raped unless a stranger grabs you and drags into an alley. The only thing they understand is active force, so he could have interpreted a "she was way too drunk, and he really took advantage" as "he forced her, physically, to have sex." If we are talking about real repurcussions, you didn't actually experience any (although I can appreciate how that would be very unpleasant); if we are talking about a rumour mill, then ALL the employees get to take their druthers, not just the one's you want to call "prudish".

    That being said, sometimes people like to stir up trouble - I know that too.

    There are some pink posts here about some really messed up things - for which I feel for you. There are so many ways to get screwed in the business of getting screwed.
    Well, this goes back to what I said before: rape is very pervasive. Certainly the most pervasive violent crime. I would never argue that it is okay to make false accusation, but I do resent it when people use the rare instances where girls do just lie - and people lie about everything, so yes, they lie about this too - to bolster a position that rape is not a real problem, or to tell us that if you were on a date then obviously you were consenting.

    Here's a true story. And this is not - at least to me, or the other woman in question - a particularly simple cut out anecdote. Or maybe it will be to you, I don't know.

    Years ago, when I was a teenager I went out to a bar with a friend. We had a couple of drinks and danced around like crazy people, and I let a guy pick me up. I was never intending to sleep with him (that's not really relevant, just providing full background); and I never said or implied that I would. He had a friend. The friend naturally started chatting up my friend. She was not interested but was "taking one for the team." I mean, she was not planning on sleeping with him, dating him, kissing him or anything like that but she was willing to talk nice, right? So we danced and had a couple more drinks, and we had a nice buzz going, but were not staggering or anything. We leave, and the guys walk us out. We stop in the parking lot, and I let the guy kiss me goodbye. Or rather we kiss, because I did kiss back. His friend tries to kiss my friend, and she tells him that she is seeing someone; He keeps trying, she keeps refusing. He restrains - that is, keeps her from leaving, and keeps trying to kiss her, and he certain "made contact" once or twice. She breaks away, grabs me, and kind of laughs and says, "Look, I'm sorry, but I'm really seeing someone else." I realize now that she is sort of panicking, because she's shaking and stuff, so we turn and leave. Later on, we realized that she had a series of bruises around her throat from his hands.
    • Now, this is not rape because there is no intercourse, but is it sexual assault?
    • Her consent was obviously withheld, and he was obviously applying force.
    • If so, would it still be sexual assault if she hadn't been bruised?
    • Would have been sexual assault if she hadn't had that accursed female problem of being reluctant to be rude and impolite, even when someone is being very, very impolite to you (because this is characteristics of a lot of "almost rapes" - far from saying "Get off me right now, you sick fuck" the woman is reluctant to say something like that and instead says things like "no, not right now, I've got to get up early, I have to go home" or whatever. Women, for some reason feel the need to be polite when people are forcing themselves on them.
    • If I hadn't been kissing his friend, would it have been sexual assault?
    • If she hadn't been talking to him for and hour and a half earlier (keeping in mind that at no point did she say or imply that she would sleep with him or make out with him or anything) would it have been sexual assault?
    And here is an interesting, if tangential question. Is it okay for a guy to pressure a woman into having sex, if he knows that he is pressuring her? That is, he knows she doesn't want to, and is trying to force her (not physically) to do it anyway?
    We can probably agree that drugging your date so that she will "consent" to sex is wrong. Is it okay, if a man knows that a woman doesn't want to sleep with him (through whatever means - for the sake of this scenario, just assume that it is clear and true, and he knows it is clear and true) to deblierately get her drunk for the purposes of clouding her judgment and eliciting "consent"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    Jenny,I think you need to go over this thread and reread my posts.Apparently,you and I will NEVER agree on anything.I'm done explaining myself.
    Honey, I understand your posts perfectly and I'm not asking you to explain yourself. I'm simply telling you that you are wrong. There's a world of difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Honey, I understand your posts perfectly and I'm not asking you to explain yourself. I'm simply telling you that you are wrong. There's a world of difference.
    You're entitled to your OPINION.
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    Honey - the definition of rape and sexual assault is not an opinion. The number of false reports is not an opinion. This is not "well, I like red better than blue". There are actual FACTS involved here. I know it can get in the way of self-righteous pontificating - and hey, I like to pontificate as much as the next girl (yeah, I'm all self-aware). But still. We could try to be a LITTLE bit reasonable.
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    does anyone remember the girl in new york who met up with a dude from the intraweb and he consensually tied her up for a weekend and fucked her brains out? then she cried rape, and the dude had all of their online communications but they were NOT admissible in court because she was the "victim" and didn't deserve to have her private life picked apart. i think the dude was eventually acquitted, but the chick got a book deal or a movie or something.

    gah, i'm googling this. does anyone know what i'm talking about?

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    i didn't mean in that particular situation...i just meant that simply having a gang bang, in my opinion, doesn't make a woman a disgusting pig, unless she were say, cheating on someone and no precautions were used. but ok even to me, if a woman were to just take up the offer from some guys she met on a street and no protection was used, sure she might be a disgusting pig, lol.

    i have to wonder....how come people put porn stars up on some sort of pedestal and don't think it's bad for them to fuck 5 guys at once, but if a regular jane wanted to do that, she's disgusting? tarynjolie i'm not saying you, but i've often wondered why a lot of people are like "oh i love jenna" or whoever (porn stars) but then the same people are so quick to talk trash about a girl being a whore or a slut....

    Quote Originally Posted by TarynJolie
    It is my post you are commenting on and so I just wanted to be clear that I would feel the same way regardless of the gender of the person.

    Call me a prude if you wish but if fucking several men all while letting them videotape the action isn't being a disgusting pig then what is ? I mean come on they approached her at 4 am outside an apartment complex for cripes sake !

    And seriously how likely do you think it is that condoms were used in this situation ? My guess is the odds are less than 10% . The cherry on top is that then she turned around and cried rape.

    Sorry but unless she was drugged then the term pig suits her perfectly (in my opinion). Actually that would be putting an real pig down unjustly because they aren't that disgusting.

    Keep in mind though that I have never and will never have sex outside of a monogamous relationship so that does color my opinions on these types of subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Honey - the definition of rape and sexual assault is not an opinion. The number of false reports is not an opinion. This is not "well, I like red better than blue". There are actual FACTS involved here. I know it can get in the way of self-righteous pontificating - and hey, I like to pontificate as much as the next girl (yeah, I'm all self-aware). But still. We could try to be a LITTLE bit reasonable.
    I wasn't referring to the definition of the term.I was referring to how it's BS to call something rape if it didn't happen.People 'round here sure like to assume.
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    i have to wonder....how come people put porn stars up on some sort of pedestal and don't think it's bad for them to fuck 5 guys at once, but if a regular jane wanted to do that, she's disgusting? tarynjolie i'm not saying you, but i've often wondered why a lot of people are like "oh i love jenna" or whoever (porn stars) but then the same people are so quick to talk trash about a girl being a whore or a slut....
    I understand where you are coming from Bikinigirl04.

    I think that the reason some people find a porn star doing a gangbang different is because it is to a great extent acting . By that I mean scripted action scenes, pre-planned with a director, etc.

    But speaking just for myself . I think it's just as disgusting and slutty. I am an equal opportunity trash talker , lol !

    I generally try to keep it in check and remember that lots of people in the world sees my dancing in a club as pretty much the same thing as what porn stars do in their line of work. However it's hard for me not to judge when I get a such a strong gut reaction to someone's behavior.

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