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    What's the deal with vice nowadays? it seems like every club is getting raided right about now. my club got raided 2 days ago, citations were issued and warnings of future raids ending in arrests got thrown around. i make good money at this club and i really don't want to leave, but i would rather quit than get locked up. so my question for you girls is: would you stay after a raid, or are you working at a club that has been raided? i need to decide soon if i'm going to quit

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    I work in Las Vegas, and my club was "raided" on Friday night. This really phucked my money up and pissed me off something fierce!

    Vice is really sly here in Vegas and they hide in the back room watching the TV monitors that they forced the club to install. These monitors cover every inch of the club. I don't remember the last time I heard of Vice busting a girl while they are actually undercover on the main floor.

    The major problem I have with Las Vegas Vice is that they always seem to catch "good girls" on technicalities. The ones who are actually doing "extras" are usually more aware and they lay low when they know Vice is there. They also don't enforce the laws in a fair way, in my opinion (varies from club to club). I also have a huge problem with strip club laws in general because, even if there is prostitution involved, it is a relatively victimless crime between consenting adults.

    Also, where the hell do they post the lapdance laws and rules? I've done a very thorough search on the Web for "Las Vegas lapdance laws", looked on the LVMPD Web site, etc. I do not see these rules clearly written anywhere! It seems that they are constantly changing, too. Since we are forced to purchase business licenses, they should provide a copy of the most recent laws in multiple forms of media and send out notices whenever these laws change. I know it is my responsibility to know the laws, but how am I supposed to be an educated business person when I can't even find these laws written down anywhere on public record.


    I am so afraid of getting a ticket because I am not a prostitute and it will go on my record as a prostitution citation. If I were to ever get a prostitution citation, it would probably piss me off so much that my record has already been destroyed that I might actually start prostituting myself because I have nothing else to lose. (Yeah, this is an exaggeration! Get my point, though?)

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    a club near me got raided the other day in ohio.... people just need to watch what they're doing bc someday they will get arrested for either doing extras in the club or prostituting...

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    my club is on raid watch now.

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    I am in Fl. and when we go to get/renew our occupational license they give us a list of all of the laws/ordinances for the county. You should be able to get a list from the same place that issues your license(assuming you are requiered to have one). I am surprised your manager does not have the same list posted or at least available to the dancers.

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    You get all 5000 dancers in Vegas to demand from the DA a clearly written exposition of the laws and publicize the lack of clear/documented laws in the local papers. You'll probably get your documentation and maybe a little publicity. And then local customers will have more leverage than maybe they should.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    I was just about to start a thread on this. My club has been raided twice in the past two weeks. Girls are getting arrested for not having ID with them, but then being charged with prostitution when they get the the station. They searched all the custys, then told them to leave and not come back (even though the club wasn't shut down). They even broke into our lockers (totally illegal). They lined all the girls up on stage and took a picture of them (so illegal too). They only do it when the night manager or owner is not there. They very obviously planted a "used" condom on the floor by the bar (a girl even saw the 'custy' who 'dropped' it, and then was in the back talking to the police a few minutes after they came in).
    We think it's something personal between the police and the club management (former cop and detective). My club has responded by getting lawyers to sue the city and also protect the girls should any of us be arrested. They've gotten very strict on how LD's are performed and will eventually close the LD room. Every night when we come in, they warn us on what to do if we are arrested that night.
    It's terrifying. I like this club, but I'm planning to leave there sooner rather than later now. Who wants to go in to work worrying about getting arrested? My mom knows about what's going on there and she's really worried about me (just when she started to get comfortable with me working there). I told her though b/c I wanted her to know what was going on in the even that I get arrested for some bullsh*t (though I'm a very clean dancer, always have ID, and stopped drinking alcohol b/c I'm underage- which has seriously cut into my money since we get drink commission, but it's better than being arrested).
    Anyway, we're expecting to be raided again. The police did come in on Friday night, but I didn't really consider that to be the 3rd raid. They just walked around then left. One of the dancers (who a lot of the other girls thinks is an undercover) says that we'll probably be raided this coming Friday since it happened on a Wednesday 2 weeks ago, then a Thursday last week. This is insane.

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    I have dealt with the same thing. It can happen to any dancer. Even if you know the rules and follow them. Because most of these citations and arrest are all about the extreme conservative movement . It is true that rarely are the dirty dancers of the club busted. I have found that management will usually tip these dancers off.
    All dancers should have a lawyer on retainer. Be sure it is with a lawyer different than the one who works for your club. Also be sure to have someone you trust keep on hand possible bail money $500-$1000 just in case you are arrested. And memorize that phone number and your lawyers as well.
    My case was eventually dropped. It was a class B misdemeanor, and my bail was $500. I never was given a ticket just a warrant. Upon turning myself in I spent five and a half hours in jail. For the charge to get dropped it cost $900. For the expungement from my record $1,200.
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    I'm betting this is a ladies only thread but I wandered across the post looking for something else and thought I might help.

    http://ordlink.com/codes/lasvegas/index.htm

    6.35.100 Erotic dance establishment regulations.


    Although reading it really may not help because the regulation is the most vague and unspecific regulation I have read.

    "(I) No dancer shall fondle or caress any patron, and no patron shall fondle or caress any dancer."

    I would say if you get nailed get a good and very agressive lawyer and they might be able to beat the law. What the hell does caressing mean anyway. Does that mean the guy can't touch your shoulder?
    I'm surprised that this regulation is actually enforceable.

    Anyway, I rant....

    Bottom line, it looks like the cops can nail you anytime they want to in Vegas and that knowing a good lawyer would help, I would imagine they could beat the ticket.

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    hey, read this story. i have had the chance to meet this woman (who is super cool) and i think she handled herself very well:

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    Wow, i'm glad I don't live/work in the States

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    Quote Originally Posted by quequisiera
    I have dealt with the same thing. It can happen to any dancer. Even if you know the rules and follow them. Because most of these citations and arrest are all about the extreme conservative movement . It is true that rarely are the dirty dancers of the club busted. I have found that management will usually tip these dancers off.
    All dancers should have a lawyer on retainer. Be sure it is with a lawyer different than the one who works for your club. Also be sure to have someone you trust keep on hand possible bail money $500-$1000 just in case you are arrested. And memorize that phone number and your lawyers as well.
    My case was eventually dropped. It was a class B misdemeanor, and my bail was $500. I never was given a ticket just a warrant. Upon turning myself in I spent five and a half hours in jail. For the charge to get dropped it cost $900. For the expungement from my record $1,200.
    ^^ yes, yes and yes to all of the above ! Been there, done that, the last time I wound up spending 12 hours in a holding cell and the county lockup, and it wound up costing me nearly 10 grand after having to file an appeal to finally 'prove my innocence'

    The thing that every dancer needs to understand is that she doesn't actually need to be breaking the law in order to be busted. All that has to happen is for some local cop to SAY that she was doing something illegal ... and it's then left to a local good ol' boy judge and/or a jury consisting of jealous housewives, bible thumping retirees etc. to decide whether to believe a fine upstanding local vice cop (who happens to be lying through his teeth) or the dancer (who per the latest Hollywood Stereotype movie or TV show is probably a thieving, drug addicted whore who would say or do anything to save her own ass).

    The other thing that every dancer needs to understand is that clubowners do not directly share any personal risk if the club is busted ... sure they lose income for a night but they aren't personally subject to criminal charges. Thus clubowners really have no motivation whatsoever to point out to their dancers that lap grinding dances are illegal, and it would cost them lost revenue if they did and if full contact lap dances were stopped.

    The last thing every dancer needs to understand is that an attorney retained by the club who offers to intercede for free to help busted dancers has the clubowner for a client not the dancers. Thus what typically will transpire is that the club's attorney will work a deal with the local DA to hand the DA 'plea bargains' on the busted dancers' charges in exchange for no charges being brought against the clubowner or the club. The dancers are usually offered that if they take the plea bargain deal, the club will pay their bail, they'll be released on the spot, they can return to work the next night, the charges will 'go away', and the whole deal will cost them nothing. But what the club's attorney won't tell the dancers is that accepting the plea bargain is legally equivalent to a guilty plea, such that if they are ever busted a second time they'll be considered repeat offenders and will likely wind up doing a couple of weeks in the county lockup ... plus there's no way to ever have the charges expunged from their permanent records.


    If I were to ever get a prostitution citation, it would probably piss me off so much that my record has already been destroyed that I might actually start prostituting myself because I have nothing else to lose. (Yeah, this is an exaggeration! Get my point, though?)
    Well, this isn't an exaggeration to lots of dancers. In areas where anti-dance club ordinances carry penalties which are just as severe as prostitution charges, lots of girls figure out that they might as well be earning 3 times as much money for no additional risk by giving HJ's and BJ's. In fact, these girls are actually LESS likely to have future legal problems, since their 'extra' earnings (pun intended) can be used to hire some high powered legal talent ... thus they stand a much better chance of 'walking away' from a future bust than a poor but clean dancer who can't afford her own attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper_bf
    Wow, i'm glad I don't live/work in the States
    Not all cities/states have raids left and right like this.I have been dancing for going on twelve years and I have yet to encounter a raid.

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    Not all cities/states have raids left and right like this.I have been dancing for going on twelve years and I have yet to encounter a raid.

    *knocks on wood*
    I hope that you haven't jinxed yourself. San Francisco and Tampa dancers thought the same way for more than 12 years, but suddenly a new mayor/DA takes office and the clubs are busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    I hope that you haven't jinxed yourself. San Francisco and Tampa dancers thought the same way for more than 12 years, but suddenly a new mayor/DA takes office and the clubs are busted.
    I don't know the type of tourists San Fran and Tampa attracts,but this is the "Big Easy".There are strip clubs galore here and if they started raiding these places,the economy will suffer tremendously.
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    don't know the type of tourists San Fran and Tampa attracts,but this is the "Big Easy".There are strip clubs galore here and if they started raiding these places,the economy will suffer tremendously.
    no offense, but that's exactly what dancers in San Fran's 'Mission District' clubs thought !

    I would also add that New Orleans is now drawing a lot more Federal attention than it used to prior to the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the police/gov't corruption publicity. There's no such thing as a 'bust-proof' club anymore anywhere in the USA, it's just a matter of probabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    no offense, but that's exactly what dancers in San Fran's 'Mission District' clubs thought !

    I would also add that New Orleans is now drawing a lot more Federal attention than it used to prior to the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the police/gov't corruption publicity.
    Have you read articles on how the strip club industry is booming down here???There's nothing else to do in town,for now.If the new or re-elected Mayor is smart,he/she would keep things as is.The election is April 22nd.New Orleans has nothing else but it's bar/nightclub industry to attract people.I really don't think they're going to crack down on it.There's really nothing to crack down.New Orleans has ALWAYS been some of the cleanest and best places to dance.
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    Las Vegas makes it a pain in the *ss to work.You need a sheriff's card AND a business license to dance.You don't need either here.Having a sheriff's card makes it a lot more regulated.
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    If you don't want to worry about getting busted for anything come to Rhode Island, there's no such thing as club raids here. All you have to worry about is getting your flash slashed by some ghetto hooker working in your club
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    Oh,I wanted to add.

    The strip clubs are what kept the economy somewhat afloat after Katrina.If any elected officials were to "crack down" so to speak,they are committing career suicide.New Orleans has nothing but Bourbon St. to attract tourists.Vegas has its casinos and shows.New Orleans ONLY has it's nightlife/bar scene to generate tourism.We are a f*cked city if any "cracking down" occurs,so therefore,there isn't going to be any.I have lived here on and off for 24 years.I think I know of what I speak.Vegas,NYC and any other Metropolis is WAY different than here.They have other means of tourism,so if the strip clubs get raided,it's not really hurting the economy much.ALL we have are the bars and strip clubs.BIG difference.
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    quite a few clubs in my area have been raided and mine is the only one out of four that has not been shut down in my actual city...
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    Back to the original topic, elections are coming in Novemver this year, fora lot of counties. Word on the street here in Cook County Illinois (Chicago and suburbs) is that the sherrif Sheenan is going to be cracking down a LOT. Local politics make a BIG difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guenevere
    Why do you think a sheriff's card and a business license are a pain?
    If you knew how easy it is to dance in New Orleans,you'll see why.
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    Melonie's advice about what to expect generally is important, and the precaution of saving up to have your own lawyer is mission critical. I hope everyone here is prepared, just in case. Your lawyer should be one who's respected in the community, has connections and works hard for you.

    For the newbie's benefit, the key point of some of this discussion is that a dancer's odds of getting busted are directly related to the local politics going on in the governmental jurisdiction surrounding her club. Sometimes it's stable for years, and sometimes it can change rapidly. It pays to be politically aware of the atmosphere in that community. If busts start happening, ask yourself why. Is it because there's a crusading politician, civic group or law enforcement official driving it? Is it because the club owner is on local law enforcement's sh*t list (just this guy is being targeted, not all area clubs) for some publicly unknown reason? There's wisdom in temporarily laying low or permanently moving on when the political climate turns sour. Those of us who aren't nimble enough are more likely to be snared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guenevere
    OTB- is it much easier than CA?
    Yes.No license required here.Just show up with ID and social security card and you can work anywhere.
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