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    it's not a damned exaggeration and all of you well know it. AS I POSTED SOME FEMALE CUSTOMERS AND COUPLES SPEND WELL, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY FEWER THAN MALES. it's nice that lopaw spends and attends as men do, but it is very very dishonest of her to act like her spending is the norm. it is very much not the norm.

    and i said IF clubs were mostly women and couples, incomes would drop, which is true. luckily they are not.

    i work at a club that attracts a lot of solo females and couples, and they get approached same as the male custys and you know what? they still spend less than the men, despite the girls being VERY open to dancing for them. how many girls on this site have complained about the drop in income on nights when their club IS mostly single females and couples? come the fuck on. the disagreeing with me would be like the other owner saying all male customers spend like he does. but he knows he is an anomaly. i just wish female customers would understand that they are also anomalies if they spend well and not get all affronted because the other 90% of the time female customers don't spend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    it's not a damned exaggeration and all of you well know it. AS I POSTED SOME FEMALE CUSTOMERS AND COUPLES SPEND WELL, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY FEWER THAN MALES. it's nice that lopaw spends and attends as men do, but it is very very dishonest of her to act like her spending is the norm. it is very much not the norm.
    I don't know how she 'acts', I just know what she wrote. And she did not write anything that in any way said or implied that her spending is the norm.

    So I don't see how accusing her of dishonesty would be accurate.

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    because she said i was wildly generalising, and followup posts said that it was 'exaggerating' to say that most females and couples don't spend. she even misquoted me as saying that female customers never spend and attend at the rate of males. i said they must if they want dancers to start approaching them more. she does this, and it's unusual, but in her post and in some others she has made when this topic comes up she acts like dancers should expect lady customers to behave as she does when their own dancer experience proves otherwise.

    the chick customers are in some ways worse about telling dancers how to earn their money than the male customers, heh. this thread kind of demonstrates it. i'm stating my experience and being told i'm exaggerating or wrong or insulting people. and you know, i like lady customers, but none has dropped even 100+ on me, and i can count on one hand the couples who have spent 100 or more on me. fuck, my own preferred customer base is primarily customers other dancers reject as non-spenders, but introducing female customers and female sexuality into a realm originally and presently designed for a dominantly male sexuality and customer base is going to fuck up the money for the majority of dancers.

    and it does! sorry, but them's the breaks.

    i'm just tired of customers telling me that i as a dancer must be wrong or doing something wrong because i won't agree with them about something i see clearly is not the case night after night.

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    When there are several women in the club, it slows down the money ALL over the club. Not only do women overall spend waaaay less than the men, but with too many women in the room, it starts to make some of the men uncomfortable, detracts from the show (especially if the women are any sort of attractive), and the women take up precious real estate where PAYING men might be sitting instead. I've actually seen men with money to spend get up and leave because there were too many women in the room. So yes, women and couples cost us money, one way or another.

    Next, most women come in with bad attitude and none of us want to deal with that. Plain and simple. After having a few bad experiences in a row with a certain customer type, ANYONE will start to avoid that type. Human nature.

    There may be a few women who spend decent cash in the SCs, but the ratio of spenders to gawkers is so low that it's generally good business to avoid the women and head for the men. Only exception is when the woman ASKS and is ready to buy NOW. Although I've passed up more than a few women who were demanding I come dance for them when I had a male customer or two already lined up - I know the men will buy more dances so I'm going for that first. Priorities.

    It's simple economics. We're there to make the most cash we can in the limited time we have. Most of the time, spending the extra time it usually takes to prime and sell a woman for the usual 1-2 dances she'll get winds up costing us $$ in the form of missed dances with men who were ready and willing to spend more.

    Doc - regarding your comment about dancers who visit clubs: Dancers in general will spend / tip more than alot of customers, especially women. I guess alot of us tend to think other dancers should recognize when a fellow dancer is in the house trying to spend money and go for it. We are also MUCH more respectful of another dancer's time and boundaries, so it's a no-brainer for a girl to try to sell to another dancer who's in for a good time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Doc - regarding your comment about dancers who visit clubs: Dancers in general will spend / tip more than alot of customers, especially women. I guess alot of us tend to think other dancers should recognize when a fellow dancer is in the house trying to spend money and go for it. We are also MUCH more respectful of another dancer's time and boundaries, so it's a no-brainer for a girl to try to sell to another dancer who's in for a good time.
    My comment was that I've seen dancers (both on this board and IRL) make complaints very similar to the ones expressed in both the OP here and the thread that I linked to while visiting a club. I agree a female patron who is also a dancer will more than likely have a better understanding of how to get recognized. But how does the working dancer recognize that a particular female paton is a dancer too (short of being told), particularly when she has her SO in tow?
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    My experience has been the opposite! I take my wife to a club and the dancers flock to her like white on rice (she is a hottie of course). I get ignored when we go together. We of course spend about $500 when we go and usually end up in the vip with some dancer who will split time b/t the two of us but most of it goes to her. When I go by myself I get lambasted with dancers all night. I thought it was wierd that there was such a large difference so I asked a dancer one night and her reponse was that a lot of ladies come in with spouses and they get pissed off so in order to avoid that the dancers tend to focus on the lady. They recommend to me to come back by myself to get the 'real' attention that guys get so I talked with my wife and I go by myself at times so I don't feel so 'left out'.

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    And by the way when we go I have to keep tight hold of the wallet b/c if my wife had the money she'd be passing it out like tick tacks!!! I have to be the responsible one for her to go to a strip club...another reason I like to go by myself as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    because she said .........
    I stand behind everything I said, and there were no misquotes on my part.
    I never said that I was the norm. I know that in the SC world, I am unique. I kinda like it, actually.

    Basically, on this topic....you have your opinion, and I have mine.
    You stay outta my clubs, and I'll gladly stay outta yours.
    See? Wasn't that easy?

    I'm out.

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    Several reasons, first off, a lot of women that come in are very critical of us. Second, a lot of women that come in think the "no touching" rules don't apply to them since they are female. Third, a lot of women have fantasized about stripping if they haven't did it before and with a few drinks this fantasy starts to become her reality then the attention is not on the girl there to make a living anymore. If a woman wants to strip than she should be a stripper or strip some place else where no one will mind. Lastly, some women really aren't "cool" with their men ogling at other women and with a few drinks the "true colors" start to show. Then we find ourselves in the middle of or in an argument.

    Female customers/couples are rare especially good ones. I rarely bother unless I am really hard up for the money or already know them.

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    Experience has taught me that more often than not a heterosexual couple is going to be trouble or a waste of my time . I do however approach female customers either alone or in a group because they may be lesbians or even strippers themselves. But I avoid male/female couples like the plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyLittleSecret
    The thing that puzzles me is why do women dancers avoid women customers?
    Same shit happens to my girl and I and we've both worked in clubs here for like 21 years between us... (unless we know girls who are working...)



    Here in Atlanta the predominate issue with female customers is this: 70% of them look down their noses at dancers, don't want to be there in the first place, make ugly comments about the dancers, and eventually start a fight with the man who dragged them into the club in the first place... 20% of female customers get a little tipsy and feel the need to discover their "inner dancer" standing up and dancing like Ethel Merman before they are escorted out of the club by security... 9% of female customers are only at the club trying to convince dancers to go home with her man and herself (usually not spending any money either)... the remaining 1% of female customers actually spend money and don't have any unrealistic expectations...

    If you are a female and seriously want some attention, do as the men who get attention do and spend some money. Restraining yourself from dancing like a spaz or being rude to the dancers will help your cause considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Evan X
    Same shit happens to my girl and I and we've both worked in clubs here for like 21 years between us... (unless we know girls who are working...)



    Here in Atlanta the predominate issue with female customers is this: 70% of them look down their noses at dancers, don't want to be there in the first place, make ugly comments about the dancers, and eventually start a fight with the man who dragged them into the club in the first place... 20% of female customers get a little tipsy and feel the need to discover their "inner dancer" standing up and dancing like Ethel Merman before they are escorted out of the club by security... 9% of female customers are only at the club trying to convince dancers to go home with her man and herself (usually not spending any money either)... the remaining 1% of female customers actually spend money and don't have any unrealistic expectations...

    If you are a female and seriously want some attention, do as the men who get attention do and spend some money. Restraining yourself from dancing like a spaz or being rude to the dancers will help your cause considerably.

    -E


    E is completely on point with his answer but the thing he left out is another .5% of the couples are girls shopping clubs. These girls understand whats going on and are friendly to you but generally reach a point that you are basically wasting your time money wise with them, so move on to your next victim. Either way, the small minority of women that come into a club that truely want to be there are so slim I avoid a "couple" table like the plague. And thats sad because I'm one of the 1% he is talking about. I love strip clubs!

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    Wow. I didnt know my question would start a negative/positive war! I completely understand all your points of views. It is very eye-opening and i thank you for all your time!

    MIABELLA: Thank you. I didnt mean to start a war. I just wasnt expecting that kind of answer. Love, Special Snowflake.

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    Ummm, I am glad this topic is cover.. and WOW at the responses

    My husband and I are the "swinger couple" in the club. Do swinger couples normally cause problems?

    For us, we go to the club for entertainment and a few drinks. This is usually a week night when we don't have time to get together with friends. If we want to swing - we go to a swinger's club, or call up some special friends.

    I admit, we are not big spenders, but when we are 2 of the 5 custys there on a Monday at 7 pm, our tips for a lady's time is something.

    I am a little shocked that many women don't follow the same hands off rules as men, but maybe my mama just raised me with manners... I would be upset with a woman if they grab me cause they knew I was a swinger .

    WOW.. just wow.. now I know why we are passed by

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    Lord this is getting so irritating. I would give the same response I gave in the thread where the customer asked how dancers go about turning down dances from ppl they don't want to dance for.

    Um; you DON'T.
    This is your JOB. You know; that thing you go to where you make money and if you are lucky; get to have a good time?

    In answer to your original question in the OP; (quote)"why do women dancers avoid women customers?"(end quote) (AND taking into consideration that you said you tip and show a friendly demeanor) :

    These girls are dumb young and stupid. That's all. I'm fucking tired of giving them chances to improve if they aren't going to take it upon themselves to be observant and learn from their elders. Duh. I'm sorry; but it would take me less than a minuite to figure out if you were a woman to approach or not.
    Friggin' managers/owners keep hiring the worst of the crop and then wondering why 90% of thier dancers are giving blow jobs and pissing off the older (better) customers.
    Duh duh duh.
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    I stopped going up to couples because I had one bad experience after another. Now I only go to them if they ask me, or if they come to the stage to tip and seem really cool. I avoid the ones that sit in the corner, esp. if the girl looks scared or pissed off. I know how it feels though, because my bf and I like to go to clubs. I've just learned to ask. Also, it depends on how busy the club is. If the club is full of single men who I've seen spend money before, I'm more likely to talk to them first. It's just the way it goes.

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