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    Where to draw the line for lap dances...

    Just curious, is it ok to rub against their hard on, like when grinding their lab with my butt or with my leg? Is that sort of contact ok? Or like licking their ear when you wisper in it.....if it smells ok, haha.....and back massages, are those ok?

    whats acceptable and whats not?

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    Default Re: Where to draw the line for lap dances...

    lap, sorry, typo

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    Depends on what the rules are where you work. At my club we can grind on their cock. I grind with my ass. We can also grind with our leg. I sometimes do that to so they can get a view from the front while I grind on them. I will get my mouth really close to ear and blow on it to but I don't lick at all. Back massages are fine. We have a lincensed massage therapist at our club though so I recommend her for a massage. They aren't "happy endings" (getting a custy off by massaging their penis) either. When I am talking or trying to make a custy feel more at ease I will sometimes rub their shoulders and back. But I don't actually massage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazybeautiful28
    Or like licking their ear when you wisper in it.....
    Yuck!! You don't know where their ear has been. Or how clean it is for that matter







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    I havent done it, the girl that gave me my lap dance "lesson" said that was something I could do....I haven't even had my official first day yet....ok, so no licking the ears lol

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    So at my club, we do full on griding, butt, leg, whatever-just as long as custy keeps his/her clothes on. Massages are good both ways-ie, custy massage girl's back and shoulders, vice versa. And yes, happy endings do happen there...yuck.

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    I think its fine to grind with ass or leg or boobs if your club allows it but not with your hand. Thats just too much. Plus i wouldnt be licking any part of any custy, you dont know where hes been.



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    Just be aware that in several states, including where I am, any contact with a customer's genitals in exchange for money, even with clothing in between, is defined by the law as prostitution. In other words, if the customer's an undercover cop and there's any brushing or grinding, he could arrest you on that charge. Doubtful that the club will ever make that clear to you, but check your state law and know for sure.

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    Fuck grinding. You people need to get it together. I mean if you're so comfortable with strange mens' genitals why don't you do us all a favor and join an escort service. It's girls like you that ruined dancing for all of us. A vet at my club told me that back in the day, you had to stay a foot away from the customer and you made MORE money. Now you see girls grinding crotch to crotch. When customers start expecting more for less, we're all fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethann
    Fuck grinding. You people need to get it together. I mean if you're so comfortable with strange mens' genitals why don't you do us all a favor and join an escort service. It's girls like you that ruined dancing for all of us.
    Well, that would be about 95% of the girls here or better. You could just as soon blame any private dance (air or lap) for a loss of earnings at the stage couldn't you?

    It also needs to be stated that the "visual titilation" value of stripping has gone way down for reasons other than an increase of contact in the clubs over the last decade. One of those reasons is sitting right in front of you.
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    I know girls that work in New York. Zero Contact, arguably the best money in the country. All I know is if they can do it there, they can do it anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethann
    I mean if you're so comfortable with strange mens' genitals why don't you do us all a favor and join an escort service. It's girls like you that ruined dancing for all of us. A vet at my club told me that back in the day, you had to stay a foot away from the customer and you made MORE money. Now you see girls grinding crotch to crotch. When customers start expecting more for less, we're all fucked.
    You can do what you want. Don't expect me to come back for a second air dance. You are projecting your own limits on others. Our mileage may vary. What do you bring to the table?
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethann
    I know girls that work in New York. Zero Contact, arguably the best money in the country. All I know is if they can do it there, they can do it anywhere.
    New York happens to be one of the few places in the country where you have a lot of rich corporate executives in a small geographic location who find appeal in spending thousands of dollars in that classy, upscale, no contact showclub environment. No they can't do that everywhere. And some places where they do do it (San Diego, Orlando), the earnings are peanuts.
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    No one gets away with air dancing at my club. But I give a great dance without grinding, and even with an outrageous house fee, I can clear about five hundred on th, fri, sat. Flexibility helps.

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    Depends on state club what ur comfy w/ etc.
    I'd like to know what happend to "dancing" being part of the entertainment biz. Girls can just walk around on stage. Not put anything into it. IMO most clubs have turned into brothels. The art of entertaiment is thrown out the door. I used to go to work change my costume often and put on a show. Now, I just hustle dances. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethann
    Fuck grinding. You people need to get it together. I mean if you're so comfortable with strange mens' genitals why don't you do us all a favor and join an escort service. It's girls like you that ruined dancing for all of us. A vet at my club told me that back in the day, you had to stay a foot away from the customer and you made MORE money. Now you see girls grinding crotch to crotch. When customers start expecting more for less, we're all fucked.
    Excuse you, before you go judging everyone you had better take a look around at what everybody else does. To take such a view without knowing ALL of the facts is small minded and very self centered.

    Yes indeed, New York and Chi-Town provide such entertainment and the men happily pay for it - as that is WHAT THEY ARE ACCUSTOMED TO. I could understand your anger if someone came into where you work and did a grindy dance instead of whatever everyone else does.

    If you were to come to say my club, with that sort of attitude you would not last long. It's all about where you are and what's acceptable. And for you to judge someone because they don't follow YOUR rules or what YOU are use to is foolish at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazybeautiful28
    Just curious, is it ok to rub against their hard on, like when grinding their lab with my butt or with my leg? Is that sort of contact ok? Or like licking their ear when you wisper in it.....if it smells ok, haha.....and back massages, are those ok?

    whats acceptable and whats not?
    In my opinion,it doesn't matter what the "rules" are or what everyone else is doing.It's what you're comfortable with doing.However,if you are grinding in a no grinding club,that's a no-no.Personally,I don't do this because I sorta think that's a little repulsive.
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    Bethann, that's a little harsh. Ease up on the "you people" nonsense. Maybe you haven't noticed but we are a diverse group of people and are respectful of each other. We don't judge one another by the choices we make.

    Be nice.

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    I can see where Bethann is coming from.I am a veteran of the dancing industry and grinding when I first started was unheard of and we made so much more money back then.In my opinion,doing things like grinding sets the bar lower nowadays and I truly believe that is one of the contributing factors on the dwindling of earing potential.
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    I can see where Bethann is coming from.I am a veteran of the dancing industry and grinding when I first started was unheard of and we made so much more money back then.In my opinion,doing things like grinding sets the bar lower nowadays and I truly believe that is one of the contributing factors on the dwindling of earing potential.
    Same here. When I first started girls who did that were considered gross and prostitutes. Now it's a common thing. Thank godess that the club I work at is pretty clean when it comes to stuff like that. I've tried to work at other clubs where this stuff goes on. But,I want to puke when I see this. Maybe I'm just old school.
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    There are many things that contribute to that, girls sucking and fucking on the sofa, dates made, condoms left behind.. Drugs bought and sold and the list goes on and on and on..

    I think grinding on some mans lap is a small concern in the whole spectrum of lost cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinslifoxxx17
    ...I'd like to know what happend to "dancing" being part of the entertainment biz. Girls can just walk around on stage. Not put anything into it. IMO most clubs have turned into brothels. The art of entertaiment is thrown out the door. I used to go to work change my costume often and put on a show. Now, I just hustle dances. Sad.
    It is sad, and it can make it much more difficult to actually put on a show with stage performances, when all the guys are thinking about is getting their dicks rubbed, or blown (if they are in one of the increasing number of clubs this service is available).

    It's not just the guys' attitude either, it's the effect that months or years of getting treated like prostitutes has on the women in the business.

    On many nights, at least half of the women in my club hate dancing onstage (and hate their jobs period, for that matter). This in spite of all my efforts to make it as pleasant an experience as possible. If their lack of enthusiasm makes the stage show they put on a bad one, I will try to skip them as often as possible, much to their relief.

    I have nothing against grinding from a moral point of view, even the extreme variety that goes on around here--which is tantamount to dry humping. And in most clubs these days, it is necessary in order to make any real money. I still think it's sad, but thats the way it is.

    The problem as I see it with grinding is that it is a different kind of activity from "stripping", one that directly stimulates the guys and gets them wanting a lot more. There is already physical contact of a most intimate nature, so the impulse for the guys to grope, lick, pull out their weenies--whatever--is much stronger.

    Then, if they can't control their desire, the woman has to keep them in line, and even then must deal with the splooging in the pants, etc. It's a much more difficult thing to do than most women can handle, and it's a rare woman that can handle it for more than a couple of years.
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    bethann,
    in my club, if you just do air dances, you make shit for money. Some girls come in with you opinion, and soon leave b/c they don't make any money. My club is the best one in the area money wise b/c although we may grind on the guys, the girls also give a great stage show-they change their costumes frequently, do themes, actually dance instead of just walking around, awesome pole tricks, etc.
    So be nice, keep you opinions to yourself until you are in "those people's" positions.

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    all personal judgements aside, two facts remain ...

    #1 - even though it is now done in almost every club, and even though club management usually offers no objection and no official club rules against the practice, crotch grinding done with any dancer's body part can be technically construed as a violation of state prostitution laws (even if the custy's pants are in between). Thus whether or not a particular person considers crotch grinding to be proper or improper, in the vast majority of cases it is technically illegal and you can be busted for it should some overzealous DA or undercover cop get a bug up their ass about local strip clubs.

    #2 - even though the 'main room' of upscale clubs may be 100% contact free, and even though upscale club management may be adamant about zero contact rules to maintain their club's upscale reputation, this does NOT mean that the private rooms are equally contact free, nor does it mean that OTC activities are contact free.

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    We can get 'air dances' from the stage for a couple of dollars a song. Alternatively we all know of much better places to get real sex, private places too, and the cost is pretty much the same. So your technique is still looking for a market IMHO.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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