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    ok here it comes my first posted rant about work

    so im at work today and approach a customer and ask him if he is ready for a dance. he says yes so i start dancing for him. we do two dances on the floor($10 each) and while im dancing i sell him on doing some dances in VIP. so we go up there he pays me 20$ for the 2 we did on the floor and we do 3 more VIPdances (20$each). this time i sell him on getting some champagne and taking me off the board for an hour.


    at my club when you get off the board someone who works at the club(usually a VIP hostess but during the day my manager) will collect the money(250per hour) at the beginning and give it to you when the time is done. i didnt ask for the $60 he owed me from the dances because i figured hed be there for at least an hour with me and id ask him in a little while. besides he had already paid for the hour so i figured he was good for it. so the hour rolls by and when it came time to sell another hour i reminded him that he still owed me the 60 from before and he said ok but id still like to do another hour.i say fine still not asking for the 60 then and there(which i should have done) and go to tell my manager so she can collect and i can go to the bathroom.


    so the next hour is done hes ready to leave and i ask him for the 60 he owes me figuring ill ask for a tip from there. he says he doesnt have it. he pulls out 37 dollars and says thats all he had left.......ugh. so i go through the whole we take credit cards, atm blah blah blah thing....he said he had no cards.this is what really made me mad he says to me "iv hooked you up do you really need the 23 dollars?" hooked me up? by paying the standard price with no tip? he said hed be back(yea right) and hed pay me then. rather than get management involved and make a big issue out of it i just said whatever and said goodbye.

    I know it only $23 but dammit its my $23. i was stupid not to get it right away but it still makes me really mad. i still made money from being off the board but the fact he thought the $23 was nothing "since he had already spent so much money on me" is the most irritating thing.

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    Default Re: customer not having enough money

    I am right with you on this one. Had a similar thing happen to me before-probably has happened to most of the girls (and guys) here. Arghh! It makes me so mad at myself just thinking about it-you got off easier only losing 23, I lost 75!

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    That's why I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS collect my money up front!







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    Money up front never works for me. I try to distract a customers mind from the cost. But anyways, Ive had a guy owe me $500 and he thought he was going to pay me at a after party wich I really wasnt intending to go to. The bouncers got my money, eventually. I had another situation where the customer started booking for the door and 3 bouncers chased him down in the next parking lot and forced him back inside. Sometimes its just a chance you take. There is allways going to be an asshole somewhere.

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    If you have a customer with an outstanding tab, and you and him are changing from single dances to a block of time, make him pay off those dances first. It'll be a lot easier to move ahead with the VIP's once the tab is reset to zero in case one of you "forgets" later.

    I will sometimes break up my session of dances with my ATF into two smaller ones (so she can do her stage set), but I always pay her off after the first one. Lotsa things could happen during that intermission.

    Oh, and he still owes you that $23. He should have bit the bullet and whipped out the plastic if thats what he had to do to get it.
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    This is really unfortunate. I know how you feel, if it was me id be pissed off, no matter how small the amount was he owed me. I always get the money first, unless ive already seen that he has money or he is an established customer that i trust.
    It can be hard to confront the situation but at the end of the day, the guys should know how much the dances cost and get used to paying upfront for them.



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    Wait - the dude paid you $500 in the VIP and you're crying about 23 bucks? Help me understand the math here?

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    I'm with you Deogol

    I don't know about you, and I also realize this is not what actually happened, but I would agree to a requested discount in the begginning of a dance. Like if a guy said "I only have $90, will you give me 5 dances?" I would probably go for it... And it's happened to me that they didn't have enough money, but if it was a nice guy I would tell him not to worry, and forget about it.

    Seriously, wouldn't you LOVE for a store clerck to say "Ok, it's $523, but if you only have $500 I'll take it" - It's just compassion, I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Wait - the dude paid you $500 in the VIP and you're crying about 23 bucks? Help me understand the math here?

    im not "crying", just staying the fact its irritating that he didnt want to pay me what i worked for and was owed to me. i still worked for it. not only did he not want to pay me but he got sh*tty about it which is what really irked me. if it had been something we worked out beforehand(say when i brought it up the second time before the second hour) or if he was a regular it would not have bothered me.. if it was really about the money i would have brought management into it and got the money. its about the fact he KNEW he owed me and was a jerk about it.

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    I inunderstand there is a principle. But I've got to say, $550 in 2 hours, and you are made about an outstanding $23? I'd be willing to take that kind of loss every night. Honestly, I still think that is a worthwhile customer.
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    yea i may have asked for it at the end. however, if he didnt have it i would have written it off after the 550! asking him to use a credit card for 23 was very greedy and tacky. if anything after the 550 you should have let him keep the 37 too!! you are trying to keep the customer.

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    yeah, upholding principle on what amounts to a 5% break maximum for the customer is on the extreme side. girls behaving like that really wreck the fantasy aspect the rest of us would love to uphold more often.

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    I always ask for my money upfront. I blame it on my "ditsy nature", and they seem to go for it.

    But I finally did get stiffed $70 about two months ago, considering I've been dancing for almost 5 years I guess thats a good record.

    Basically, at the club I work in, if the customer doesn't have the cash he/she can put it on thier tab. I had the waitress come over and I actually did my part and I thought the waitress did her part. At the end of the night when you are supposed to collect your money in the office, they had no record of me. Now keep in mind she did add it to his tab, I watched her. Turns out the manager compt his tab for some reason and if there is a girl on there, you loose your money. I tried to fight it. Actually, I had a great night that night, it was the principal. I did 7 dances, I should get paid for 7 dances. But I lost money because of some uncontrolable force not b/c I didn't ask for it.

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    I don't think it's the amount she is complaining about, but the way the guy acted about it. Many guys that haven't had enough money for me have apologized and I told them not to worry about it. But they have never told me that they gave me enough anyway and I should forget the rest. That would make me feel like they think they can decide how much to give me even though the price had already been set.
    I don't think it's the amount of money but the fact that the guy acted above her this time instead of feeling bad that he, the customer, owed the dancer.
    It really is all in how we are treated, I have told guys that many times.. Kind of like the non grabby ones get a better dance, well the guys who act sorry are forgiven a few dollars, but the ones that act as if they are better than what they owe, well that's another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    I don't think it's the amount she is complaining about, but the way the guy acted about it. Many guys that haven't had enough money for me have apologized and I told them not to worry about it. But they have never told me that they gave me enough anyway and I should forget the rest. That would make me feel like they think they can decide how much to give me even though the price had already been set.
    I don't think it's the amount of money but the fact that the guy acted above her this time instead of feeling bad that he, the customer, owed the dancer.
    It really is all in how we are treated, I have told guys that many times.. Kind of like the non grabby ones get a better dance, well the guys who act sorry are forgiven a few dollars, but the ones that act as if they are better than what they owe, well that's another story.

    you took the words right out of my mouth. im not saying the money i made wasnt good-which wasnt even 550 or 500 after the club takes its cut.im saying the guy was a jerk. i shouldnt have to be gracious to someone whos basically saying im not worth it. as for being greedy and tacky for asking him to use his credit card, anyone else would have done the same if the customer was an a**. i DONT have to roll over and take attitude to keep a customer. its not worth it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbt
    ok here it comes my first posted rant about work

    so im at work today and approach a customer and ask him if he is ready for a dance. he says yes so i start dancing for him. we do two dances on the floor($10 each) and while im dancing i sell him on doing some dances in VIP. so we go up there he pays me 20$ for the 2 we did on the floor and we do 3 more VIPdances (20$each). this time i sell him on getting some champagne and taking me off the board for an hour.


    at my club when you get off the board someone who works at the club(usually a VIP hostess but during the day my manager) will collect the money(250per hour) at the beginning and give it to you when the time is done. i didnt ask for the $60 he owed me from the dances because i figured hed be there for at least an hour with me and id ask him in a little while. besides he had already paid for the hour so i figured he was good for it. so the hour rolls by and when it came time to sell another hour i reminded him that he still owed me the 60 from before and he said ok but id still like to do another hour.i say fine still not asking for the 60 then and there(which i should have done) and go to tell my manager so she can collect and i can go to the bathroom.


    so the next hour is done hes ready to leave and i ask him for the 60 he owes me figuring ill ask for a tip from there. he says he doesnt have it. he pulls out 37 dollars and says thats all he had left.......ugh. so i go through the whole we take credit cards, atm blah blah blah thing....he said he had no cards.this is what really made me mad he says to me "iv hooked you up do you really need the 23 dollars?" hooked me up? by paying the standard price with no tip? he said hed be back(yea right) and hed pay me then. rather than get management involved and make a big issue out of it i just said whatever and said goodbye.

    I know it only $23 but dammit its my $23. i was stupid not to get it right away but it still makes me really mad. i still made money from being off the board but the fact he thought the $23 was nothing "since he had already spent so much money on me" is the most irritating thing.
    I don't see the word jerk or moron in this message at all.

    Hopefully you can understand why we are a little confused about the topic - because almost every word above is about money, not about how he belittled you or made a scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I don't see the word jerk or moron in this message at all.

    Hopefully you can understand why we are a little confused about the topic - because almost every word above is about money, not about how he belittled you or made a scene.

    well i was cranky after just leaving work and when i wrote that it became about the money if that makes any sense. i still wish i woulda got it after his attitude. i guess i thought the jerk part would come through without me saying those exact words.......suppose i wont be writing a novel any time soon
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    OK, I think I've got it.

    You reminded him of the $60 before he ordered the second room and he acknowledged it. Then he bought the second room and promptly stiffed you for the (small) balance he already owed you.

    My guess is that the second room genuinely cleaned him out. In my view, it's piss-poor cash management (and absolutely inexcusable ettiquette) for a customer to end up in this position. But it happens. I sincerely doubt it was malicious, even if he was a jerk about it afterwards. It was a bonehead move best chalked up to incompetence.

    What the others in the thread are suggesting is that sometimes it makes better business sense to laugh off the small insults in view of the larger benefit of having sold two rooms to the guy. On top of that, if you let it pass with a laugh and a shrug, you increase your chance to sell more to this customer in the future.

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    thank you the other owner you are rght in the first part of your post....

    im lazy and just terrible at putting events and feelings and such into writing i dint include every little detail because like i said i thought my point would come across.........

    towards the end of the second hour he became more and more insistant on meeting me out, wanting a g/f blah blah blah i kept saying no which im sure is what made him act the way he did. he wasnt being malicious, he was being bummed about me not wanting to date him.

    i work dayshift and most of my customers are older guys who are polite, dont usually want to date me and are used to paying a lady for her time(as well as tipping). im not used to nor do i want customers who are my age that think they are "hooking me up" and can date me. thats why i work days. i just dont do well with young guys in general. i guess what im getting at is i did not want his repeat business, and i did want the rest of my money after the way he acted. if he had acted like a gentleman i probably would have "hooked him up" by not charging him the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbt
    you took the words right out of my mouth. im not saying the money i made wasnt good-which wasnt even 550 or 500 after the club takes its cut.im saying the guy was a jerk. i shouldnt have to be gracious to someone whos basically saying im not worth it. as for being greedy and tacky for asking him to use his credit card, anyone else would have done the same if the customer was an a**. i DONT have to roll over and take attitude to keep a customer. its not worth it to me.
    soo now you are adding that he was an asshole about it.... ok. well i guess that changes everything..... not.
    no not everyone else would have done the same thing. that was my point. who fucking cares that he "talked down to you" he still gave you 550 (regardless of the clubs cut) you were spliting hairs for about 40. you should be happy and move the fuck on. sorry JMO. not that im not a vet of this biz or anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet
    soo now you are adding that he was an asshole about it.... ok. well i guess that changes everything..... not.
    no not everyone else would have done the same thing. that was my point. who fucking cares that he "talked down to you" he still gave you 550 (regardless of the clubs cut) you were spliting hairs for about 40. you should be happy and move the fuck on. sorry JMO. not that im not a vet of this biz or anything

    not saying you are not a vet of the biz and i cant learn anything from you. you have your opinion and i have mine. BTW i care that he "talked down to me", money or not. if i was really that worried about the money i would have caused a scene. i am not claiming to be the best dancer or a know it all, im just stating something that at the time it made me angry. something that may be good for business might not be worth it for me personally and my own well being which in the end is most important to me.
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    yes i agree, give the guy a break & let the $23 slide if you want to keep him as a customer & keep him happy. I've done this before & told the guy it was no problem (over $20) but he felt really bad anyway and ended up coming back the next night to pay me. But yeah the bottom line is as most have already stated..

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