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    So, I've started to take this pole dancing class. Seemed like a fun way to lose some weight and train, so I can do pole work at a club (I do private parties at the moment). Anyway, most of the women in the class are not going to get into stripping; some middle aged women, some young, etc. I think that it's great for women to find something that makes them feel sexy.

    Regardless, tonight we went on a "Fieldtrip" to a local SC. The instructers know the guys who run the place, so it kind of became a "open mike" thing for all of us (I would have taken off the clothes lol, but the other girls didn't) to go up on stage in between the feature dancers. One of the instucters goes up and dances. She was really good, sexy and wasn't just doing crazy pole tricks. So I ask one of the other instructers if she used to be a stripper. She replys with "Ummm....none of our girls were or are Strippers" ( in a really pretentious snobby tone). What the Hell! You make a business out of copying strippers, stealing their moves, etc. What makes you so great! As well, they critiqued the dancers solely on their pole moves. Not for their sexiness or costumes, anything else. Apparently only "good" strippers do pole moves. I've seen many amazing girls who can't even spin, but they were engaging. Sometimes the one's with the coolest moves have no sex appeal....All of us do our own seperate thing.

    Ahhhh, it makes me so mad. I have the upmost respect for strippers, and myself included. They didn't even tip, I tipped. I know that's how we make our money.

    So instead of spending $20 bloody dollars per class, I think that I have to just get my own pole or go to a different company. Or maybe just get into a club as a amatuer.

    Sorry it's so long, but what do you ladies think?

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    Good for you for seeing these people for the exploitative hypocrites they really are. It is indicative of the double standards, lack of real understanding and condescending attitudes that people hold towards us and our profession.

    You are right in that being a good stripper is about so much more than being able to dangle upside down by one leg or whatever on the pole. But then you understand strippers and strip clubs.

    If you still want an instructor, why not ask your local SC if they or any of the girls provide classes?

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    To add to that:

    When the movie "Closer" came out, with Julia Roberts and Jude Law, Oprah had a show with all of the main actors in the film including the (absolutely gorgeous) Miss Natalie Portman, who was a stripper in this movie. So Oprah says to her, "So Natalie, you were a stripper in this film?" (Crowds cheers and woos) Natalie says, "Yeah, and you know I got such a workout and it wasn't as easy as it seems. These women are athletes. You really have to respect what they do. .."

    In the audience, you could hear some grunts and disagreements and she was like, "well you don't have to..." and got scared and interrupted what she was saying.

    This is really pissing me off. It's just like when I watch Judge Mathis and the guy says, "Your honor, let me begin by saying this woman is/used to be a stripper...." and you can totally see his attitude toward the woman change. Thus, his interpretation of the law is automatically altered by the fact that a woman is a dancer. I hate that!!!

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    Good for you for seeing these people for the exploitative hypocrites they really are. It is indicative of the double standards, lack of real understanding and condescending attitudes that people hold towards us and our profession.
    ^^ absolutely - and keep in mind that those same attitudes and double standards prevail in the legal system and the financial system.

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    So instead of spending $20 bloody dollars per class, I think that I have to just get my own pole or go to a different company. Or maybe just get into a club as a amatuer
    Alot of pole monkeys (that's my affectionate name for anyone who is really good at pole work) that I have met whilst working with them in clubs learnt on the job. I know I did. Why not just work in a club as a dancer and get paid to learn the pole? I've met plenty of dancers who would offer to 'teach' me before or after work for free... then I would just 'try out' the moves whilst at work.

    OTOH, you could just find another class if that is an option.

    Install a pole at home is a definate way to become a pole monkey as then you can practice any moves you learn in a class or club at home. The more you practice, the more you will be able to do in the end.


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    Try starting in a club on day shifts -- you'll have ample practice time. :-)

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    What a shitty expierience! The pole class I go to is very stripper friendly. In fact one of the dancers I work with is an instructor there. I'm sorry those women you shared a pole with were so hypocritical...

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    I'm just wondering where they even picked up their pole-tricks to begin with if they were never strippers? And why did they take the class to a strip club/knew the owner if they were never strippers?

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    Hmmm...I wonder if they were telling you the truth about none of the teachers ever working as strippers. Did they ALL learn from the S-Factor videos? Or are they just afraid they'd alienate students who don't want to be involved with anything "dirty"?

    I'm really fortunate that my pole-dancing teacher is open about working as a stripper for 10 years. And though most of her students are bachelorette parties or women looking for a unique workout, many are dancers. She has no problem giving advice about how to be a better stripper, and I've learned as much from her about hustling as I have about pole work. In fact, if any of you are Austinites, and want to learn pole-work, check out her website at www.friskyfitness.com. Nicole is AWESOME!

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    Hi,
    There definately is a double standard, and it applies to clothes, exposing body parts, dance moves, make up, etc. I am hoping to take one of those classes soon. Right now, all I have done is strip for my hubby (he even put up a pole, lol, so I know he loves this).

    I bet some of those women are insecure, and are just trying to create some wall to protect themselves. Idiots. If they learned their moves from S Factor, then they are learning from an actress who learned from actual strippers. And if they learned from another DVD, likey the Fawnia Monday ones, then they are learning from a real stripper.

    Part of the problem is that you can take part of something, and add stuff, and make it something else, though related. From what I have read here, and seen on my only visit to a club, stripping involves dancing, dress, attitude, floor work, maybe pole work, removing clothes, figuring out what customers want, hustling, etc. Pole dance may be part of it, but it probably emphisizes physical strength more than normal strip moves. I am sure in the future it may turn into gymnastics, or something else (just as a lot of forms of dance and gymnastics probably were forms of stripping originally).

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    i was a stripper for 10 years and now run a very sucessful pole dance school in the uk. i am not ashamed for what i did, god im thanksful that i was a stripper and that i worked hard at pole so that when i retired i had all the skills to start up a great business.

    i must admit that i dont shout it from the roof tops, and i dont want you to missunderstand me as it not that im embaresd, its just stupid small minded people out there. god they make my blood boil. they think that i must have been a dirty low life.

    9 times out of 10 you can tell if an instutor has been a stripper or not. a stripper is a 1000x more likely to have flow and grace compared to some one that has taught herself to pole dance in a class room or bed room. its hard to explain but if you have never poledanced for an audiance you dont seam to have that edge. for example, since i retired i dont get the opertunity to dance much but when i do, i notice a real wooden ness to my routine, and this is what alot of these self rightous teacher who are proud of the fact that they have never worked in a strip club dance like.

    all i can say is more fool them, they dont know what they are missing!

    i know some people are gona jump on me for saying this but can some one explain to me what all this b*ll*x is about empowerment. ive been teaching for years and dance for farlonger, i have never felt empowered. what a load of tosh! pole dance is about having fun, getting fit and lerning a form of dance that can be as challenging or as easy as you want it to be. empowerment. hahahahhahaha. its usualy the teachers u speak of that spout that crap!
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    Thanks for agreeing with me ladies. I know, what a double standard! No, none of the insructers were dancers. Apparently, the owners went to classes in Toronto, then started their own company in Vancouver. I think that they know the managers becasue last year they had a "graduation" for their students at the SC (all their friends and family came to see their moves).

    One of the instructers did have a sexiness and grace. That is why I thought she may have been a dancer, but the one that replyed, all she did was cool moves (well, not even that great, i"ve seen much betters in SC's!) but wasn't very engaging or sexy.

    Just makes me mad. Now I don't know if I even want to go back. But I paid so much for the classes.... Yeah, I think that I may just need to get into a club.

    P.S. yeah, the girls were also giving me dirty looks as well. Maybe because I was all dressed up and looked hot! Although, not to float my own boat....lol.

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    The women being in the strip club is an example of their extreme hypocracy.What c*nts!!!
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    Seems like typical female behavior. It's just like the women who judge dancers as being immoral, while sleeping around and having children by several different fathers etc.

    It is kind of cool that what we are doing now is being considered an art form, and being adopted by Jane Average. Do you think this will breed a whole new kind of strip club with out lap dances, and where the dancers actually have to know how to perform on stage? In areas that are being hard hit by government regulation, this alternate form of exotic entertainment my become a real hit.

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    Pole work doesn't necessarily get you a lot of tips on stage- that's what I discovered while working and observing other girls on stage. If you can dance sensually and engage personally with the people at the tip rail, it'll give you tons of tips. The way I see it, if you are busy doing your thing on the pole the customers can't tip you... and maybe they want your attention to ask your name or to ask you to come by when you're done with stage, but if you don't go to them, you lose out. That and I'm so scared to injure myself, dancing in 6-8 inch heels is bad enough on your knees!

    That said, I'm so jealous of the girls who are really good with the pole. I always watch in amazement and I'm tempted to take a class or something to learn just so I can say I can do that too!

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    how odd that they would be open to going to a club but not to be down with girls they emulate who do it for a living! do they know about the work you do?

    i was thinking of taking a pole class also for the workout of it and that i think it is a lot of fun. i teach myself what i can at work but i'd like to have a place to REALLY practice. that and im still too lazy to ever go to a gym.

    i went to the dance studio that the classes were taught and talked to the instructor. i straight out told her that i was a dancer and asked if any of the instructors used to be. she was really excited to learn that i danced and asked me a lot of questions and told me while none of the instructors never were, she learned all her pole work from a former dancer who DID teach there in the past. i got a totally positive vibe and hope to go back soon. i hope the rest of the women are as receptive to me (its in marin county, so who knows!). it will be pretty obvious since i already know a few things and am very comfortable with the pole. if they aren't down, fuck em!

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    Hey Darling, I'm from Vancouver! Well actually from Surrey and damn proud of it. What club did y'all go to? My favorite club is No. 5 Orange. I worked their for just over six months and it was a very positive experience. If you work their as a house dancer you don't have to go on stage and most don't. You just hustle lap dances. The dancer manager Mike Scott is the best manager and the biggest sweat heart I've ever worked for (not to be confused with with the bar manager Mike Sweeny who is a total asshole) I highly recommend working at that club. If you want any info or advice hit me up with a PM I know the Vancouver club scene pretty well. I worked at the 5, the Drake, and The Byrd as a house dancer. I also did the out of town circuit and every amateur contest in town a couple thousand times. Have you tried the Paramounts stripper school? They have class 2 or 3 days a week and they cover pole work. All you have to do is pretend that you want to work there (but don't ever actualy work there, that place sucks!) but it's great for learning pole work.

    Also pole work definately isn't everything! What would you do if you ended up at a club with no pole? I'm learning that poleless clubs are more common than you might think. The last 2 clubs I've worked at have been poleless. Hell at the club I'm at now we dance on a bar coyote ugly style and we bank in tips. No pole involved! You don't have to be able to do pole work, hell you don't even have to be able to dance to be a rockin' stripper. All it really takes is an outgoing personality and a basic understanding of sales skills and you can make money in this business.
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    Okay, honey, I agree that they shouldn't be making "field trips" if they are not paying the fee. But I have to wonder why you think that for a work out class they NEED the strippers "sexiness" or "costumes". I think that would singularly inappropriate in a gym setting, myself. And seeing as pole work is where their interest lies, that would be where their critique would lie as well. That isn't judgment - that is just interest. And I also have to wonder why they made a "field trip" if their attitude is truly what you say. I mean the woman who organized it, and the women who opted to go must have thought there was something worth seeing there. Simply pointing out that being a stripper is not a prequisite to her class is not, I don't think, adequate reason to lynch her a an exploitative bitch.

    And yeah. They were giving you dirty looks because you are so hot and they are so jealous. Where have we heard that before.
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    Oh come on guys.... even the girls in the upperscale clubs are catty, insane bitches. Wake up. No one in their normal mind would ever respect any of them ( and I was one so don't get on me). The only place strippers are respected are in the leagues of the insane. And there is a (made-up, imaginary) hierarchy that you are forced into based on your family (or at least that's how it is where I came from). Strippers violate people.... that's how it is... it's a power struggle and normals don't wanna play.... that's why they get no respect... because they don't have any lines. Yes, it is a stereotype, but from what I've seen, one that proves to be true for the most part. Codependents are an exception to the rule. Some of them are good people.

    These people are more than likely trying to make money on anyone who wants to learn to pole dance....not just strippers. If they are making money on others, then they aren't going to roll out the red carpet for you. They may not want to cater to strippers at all. It's way too bad, but the world isn't running according to John Lennon's (or my) beliefs. Alot of people make it that way by plotting you against us kind of mentality and trying to manipulate others and victimize them.

    Don't take things so damn seriously.... anytime anyone so much as looks at some people wrong, they freak. That's the problem with all personality disorders. The main rule in recovering from them is: Don't take things personally. People are living out their own dreams and lives, it has nothing to do with you. And not everyone is going to agree with you. If you think that makes them your enemy, then you have a problem. Tolerance is key in the world....

    The main problem with strip clubs is that there is nothing healthy about them. I have yet to see the majority of patrons or strippers in healthy mind. There is nothing wrong with subjugation or domination... as long as there are participants who are healthy and willing.

    *Keep in mind that I have mainly danced in the south. This does not pertain to areas I have not experienced.
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    You know, I love stripperweb, but it seems that everytime someone posts something here, there are always too extremes. Girls that agree and are supportive (make suggestions), and ones that seem to think that it's ALL your fault or attitude.

    I didn't lie about anything "they" said. They wanted a fieldtrip to critique the dancers and show thr students some moves. Maybe they do really respect the dancers, but that wasn't the feeling that I got from them. I came home that night maddened, all I wanted to do was post to some women that would understand. And now, I'm just in a rut of defending my position. It wasn't meant to be a really serious debate.

    And yes, part of the class is learning floorwork, how to walk like a stripper, how to be sexy, so of course I looked on at the instructers to see if they knew how to act sexy.

    And EroticTonic, I think that SC's can be a very healthy experience. Maybe if it keeps men and women away from randomn sexual encounters (and spreading STD's). Or if it can keep men interested in the sex lives with their wives and vice versa. Some women find some empowerment in stripping. I certainly have more confidence since stripping. I think that it's better to have SC's than locking away sexuality.

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    Must be Aradia Fitness...they are known for their bitch-ass attitude towards dancers.

    Funny thing is, when they first started up they did recruit their instructors from the clubs...I know an ex-dancer who teaches for them, and she lies and says she was never a dancer!

    Hate them. Can't wait until they go under.

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    Hey Scarlett,

    How did you know?! Makes me happy that you understand what I'm talking about! Do you know if the one on Davie is better? Above characters. Their prices are higher, but maybe their more stripper friendly. Thanks for the agreement.

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    Xpose fitness in Maryland is the same way. Had one of the instructors tell me that she, " I like burlesque but I hate the stuff they do in the clubs." This after I had told her I had danced in the clubs. As a trained dancer I see no difference between the two. All forms of dance are connected. I would not go to a jazz dance class and have the instructor tell me that there is no ballet in it. Because ballet came from jazz. Just like exotic dance from the clubs will always be connected to the burlesque dance. The people who are trying to separate burlesque and exotic club dancing are being stuck up [email protected]#$%^^&. That field trip does not surprise me. It I hope the club charged that group from the class extra to go in.
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    Here's a good example of what you're talking about. I love watching the VIEW but their vicious comments about strippers and skinny/sexy girls pissed me off. After months of anti-stripper stories and comments Star Jones decides to go to a stripper school. She had her graduation on the show where she beamed as she showed off her new moves and crowed how sexy she was now. So is stripping for stupid skanks and a set up for rape as she told a guest who'd been raped at a bachelor party? Or is stripping a triumph of public sensual expression? No powerless wife is going to admit their guy does whatever he wants so a good girl has to pick sides.

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    Hi all, I had to delurk to respond to this! I'm really sorry about the snottiness on the field trip. I'm in a stripping/pole dancing class that I crave and enjoy and if our instructors gave up any attitude toward professional strippers I would lose trust and respect for those instructors. The whole point of class is that it is natural for women to dance and feel sexy and strong, so why bag on the women that have been doing that all along and pioneered this stuff for the rest of us? Makes no sense.

    My response to learning these movements has been total awe and admiration. I've danced all my life (ballet, modern, bellydance) and it's still challenging to move so slowly and sexily, nevermind the towering shoes and the bruises (arnica, god bless!). And strippers learned it on the job, not in a private, cushy, mirrorless studio. So anyway. This is just one girl talking, but my pole dancing class has made me a big supporter of the working dancer! I can't wait to start my new job so I can hit the clubs and see some dancing and tip like crazy.

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