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    I work at a club where dances are $20 per song. Last night I heard two of the girls talking about how they charge $40-$50 per song. Both of these girls make A LOT of money, but my question is does this hurt you or help you? To any of you that have done this (or know somone who has) do you find that you make more money when you do this or less money because people get less dances from you? Also, is this practice legal? Lastly, if any of the guys read this, how would u react to this? Thanx.
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    I always try to charge higher than the normal 25- well now 30 at my club which i havnt worked at for a little while.
    Alot of the guys who come to our club try to bargin with you so if you start by trying to sell the dance for 40-50 dollars you may not get that but close to it, sometimes making the customer think hes getting a "deal" depends on who they are and were they're from.
    On average I probably collect about 40 a song weather I was charging 30 or 40 usually makes no difference in the amount of dances I get out of a guy most of these guys in daytona are cheap and arnt going to buy more than 1 or 2 dances anyways and that is if you can get them back there when its not 2 for 1 time anyways
    I figure when you get them try to over charge them... you dont know when you may get another one
    Which is also why i havnt worked in about 3 weeks tired of these cheapos! and tired of seeing good customers be taken from me from hookers!

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    I know lots of dancers who try and get higher than market value - especially on weekend nights. There is no law against it but I won't pay it. In my experience girls who charge more a never worth it. Often just the opposite is true. If you can get it, go for it, just don't bother asking me.
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    Price gouging dances can work like a charm in some scenarios and a curse in others. It depends on the club and on the specific customer. Please note that price gouging in some clubs is against the rules and can result in you either getting in major shit or getting fired. However if girls at your club are obviously getting away with it then you're probably safe. Now about the customer: if it's a club regular don't even bother trying because they will just get offended and write you off as a bitch. So feel the guy out first, if he's never been there before or hasn't been frequently then it's definately worth giving it a shot. It'll help if you give them two choices. I worked at a contact club where the level of contact was up to the dancer. The general dance price was $40. I would tell the custy it was $40 hands off and $50 hands on. I usually got the extra $10 and those 10s add up! Some of the girls charged $40 hands off and $60 hands on. If you know girls are charging that much you have to be honest with yourself if you can compete with her. If you're a hard body blonde with fake tits then hell yeah you probably can. If you know you aren't quite as up to par with the other who is charging more be honest with yourself and charge a little less than her but more than anyone else. That always worked for me. All in all I definately made more money price gouging. I can't think of any reason it wouldn't be legal as there is no government standardization of lap dance prices. Good luck and happy hunting!
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    In my new club, I asked management. Their words? Do whatever works best for you! Therefore I hike my prices up.

    The fee in my current club is £10 for a nude dance and I charge £20. It surprisingly works well. It was a risk that I was a little hesitant in trying, but then I thought "what the heck! it can't hurt". Compared to clubs in other cities, its not a major hike in prices, I may say this so guys don't feel like I'm ripping them off. If the guys ask why I charge £20 when the others charge £10, I just say anything from "'Coz I'm a knockout dancer" to "I have a special pussy" (only because I'm virtually the only girl in the club with a pierced puss). In most of my sells, if a guy asks what's on offer, I almost always will drop in that VIP is on offer. Act like the cost isn't all that; in some ways, they'll feel flattered you don't think their skint and you may also get lucky. It's all about being confident, not needy, shy, manipulative or a gold-digger.
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    If I'm told by the dancer ahead of time, I won't get any dances from that girl. If I'm told after the fact, I won't pay it and will certainly not get dances from that girl going forward. Good luck with it.

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    I think charging more is not wrong unless you don't inform the customer ahead of time. Then it's kind of a bait and switch.

    I think this could be hit or miss. It reminds of this porn star that came to our club (Gina Lynn)....she charged $100 for a lap dance and $600 for a 30 min VIP. She lost out on a guy willing to stay back for hours at $400 per half (the normal club rate)....and she did one lap dance for a bachelor, whose friends all chipped in.

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    It's happened to me recently in a club I go to regularly (and at which I spend ca. $6,000 per year). I paid quietly, but I'll never buy a dance from her again. The club is suburban and has lots of regulars; few visiting travelers. So if she has been asking for more than the standard rate from others she'll likely find her business will dry up quickly. But then, of course, she can move to another club. NJ has a club every few miles!

    I think asking for a higher amount may work well when the customers are mostly visitors.
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    Yeah, it can go either way. I don't even call it gouging. When I worked a club in Essex County I routinely charged $35. The other girls were amazed I got it but I just didn't give a flip. Some crowds at some clubs require a level of attention that demands more! Not to mention I was the top girl and one of two or three that could speak English. When you have the advantage work it, be upfront and bank! This ain't charity. I don't mean this in a mean way but why did you two customers post? You are part of the group of guys looking to get the most comprimise out of the girl for the least money so your agenda doesn't apply. You're the low level customer I was happy to skip. She's not there to comprimise, she's there to get ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    I don't mean this in a mean way but why did you two customers post? .
    Well, she asked .
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    Lastly, if any of the guys read this, how would u react to this? Thanx.
    Enough said.

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    You are part of the group of guys looking to get the most comprimise out of the girl for the least money so your agenda doesn't apply. You're the low level customer I was happy to skip. She's not there to comprimise, she's there to get ahead.
    How is a dancer compromising by paying the going rate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    I don't mean this in a mean way but why did you two customers post? You are part of the group of guys looking to get the most comprimise out of the girl for the least money so your agenda doesn't apply. You're the low level customer I was happy to skip. She's not there to comprimise, she's there to get ahead.
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    Lastly, if any of the guys read this, how would u react to this? Thanx.
    She asked, I responded.

    You should be carefull not to confuse a customer who refuses to be overcharged with a customer who doesn't spend generously. I pay the club standard to Ladies who are happy to get my business and I seldom spend less than $500 during a visit....Trust me, If we were to meet I would be the one doing the skipping. Charging more doesn't make you a better option, just a more expensive one.
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    Charging above the going rate might work for you, and might make you more money. It will also cut off customers who might otherwise spend a good deal of money on you. I'm not going to go out on some moral limb and condemn it. Try it out, see if it makes you more money. But you will loose customers like myself. I'll spend up to $600 on a single dancer, and tip her. I will not, ever, pay more than the stated rate for the dance when asked, I won't tip when asked to do so and I will not even buy from the dancers who only offer the more expensive nude dances and forgo the cheaper topless dances. I don't want any sort of extra contact, I keep my hands to myself and I actually shower and shave before going to a stripclub. But I'll be damned if I allow someone to price gouge me.
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    Although I can't speak from experience because there's no way that would fly in my club (we already get complaints that it's soooo much more pricey here than Montreal for the same action, or less) I would otherwise price gouge only if I wouldn't mind losing the customer.

    For instance, a guy who's not so pleasant to dance for...I make enough money as it is, so for creeps, jerks, octopuss hands, etc, I'd gouge away. If they'd be willing to pay double, fine (and then it *might* be worth it for me to dance for them). But for a customer who's pleasant enough, and who I know I'll probably get at least $100 out of anyway, why risk offending them and losing their business?

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    Yeah, it would never work for me. I have to work pretty hard at the going rate. And most girls I see mucking with the prices are going in the other direction. But if you're pretty enough, or can market yourself well enough, knock yourself out.
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    To the custy posters, Post On! My advice stands, though. Getting enough money from my job to make it worthwhile is important to me. It makes me come in and leave with a smile and makes me a far better dancer. I can afford a gym memebership, the best costumes, savings for my future, and a decent vacation. So I can re-invest in my little one woman show. So it's worth a try. Pick one price and stick with it. If it doesn't take off for you, don't do it. I'd be surprised to see any customer recommend you charge more. It's not in their best interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Trust me, If we were to meet I would be the one doing the skipping. Charging more doesn't make you a better option, just a more expensive one.
    Do you think the Ritz-Carlton gives a flip if you turn them down for the Ramada? Not hardly. I charge more because my dances and time are worth it. That's not hype--those are the custys' opinions. I tell them the price up front, they ask me why it's higher, I tell them why and they come back smiling. I get strings of dances because guys see how delirious the last custy was, THEN they come up to ME. The dances are in a common, well-lit room so they don't get extras. I focus on the sector of the market that fits my needs then please them. I don't need to do more work to get the same money from you because they'll pay the higher rate. Sorry .

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    i was told by management(this was in denver) that if you charge more than the set club price it is considered prostitution.hmmmmm i wonder if it was just true for there or if they were just saying that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    Do you think the Ritz-Carlton gives a flip if you turn them down for the Ramada? Not hardly. I charge more because my dances and time are worth it. That's not hype--those are the custys' opinions. I tell them the price up front, they ask me why it's higher, I tell them why and they come back smiling. I get strings of dances because guys see how delirious the last custy was, THEN they come up to ME. The dances are in a common, well-lit room so they don't get extras. I focus on the sector of the market that fits my needs then please them. I don't need to do more work to get the same money from you because they'll pay the higher rate. Sorry .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    Do you think the Ritz-Carlton gives a flip if you turn them down for the Ramada? Not hardly. I charge more because my dances and time are worth it. That's not hype--those are the custys' opinions. I tell them the price up front, they ask me why it's higher, I tell them why and they come back smiling. I get strings of dances because guys see how delirious the last custy was, THEN they come up to ME. The dances are in a common, well-lit room so they don't get extras. I focus on the sector of the market that fits my needs then please them. I don't need to do more work to get the same money from you because they'll pay the higher rate. Sorry .
    That's an interesting analogy. Try this one too. Say you call ahead to the Ritz Carlton to check on rates, they quote you $200 a night, you agree and book the room, then show up at the hotel and they try to charge you $300 a night, when asked why they say "because we can". How would you feel about that? More power to you if you can get more than the stated rate, just beware that some portion of your clientele wont appreciate it.

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    A compromise between the two would be to focus on closing VIPs instead of single lap dances or sell laps in bulk instead of single dances.
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    I change the price accordingly. But because I work in Private parties, if there's a richer party than I charge more and for suburban types I have to hustle more and charge less. I love the guys that have no problems paying $80 for a 2 song dance, then throw in a 20 for tip. I give a better dance as well!

    I also say, more all parties, it's $40 for 2 songs where I touch you (nothing risky though) and $20 more if they want to touch me (no kitty). Works well. But in Vancouver, lap dances all around are expensive, I just charge the going rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head
    That's an interesting analogy. Try this one too. Say you call ahead to the Ritz Carlton to check on rates, they quote you $200 a night, you agree and book the room, then show up at the hotel and they try to charge you $300 a night, when asked why they say "because we can". How would you feel about that? More power to you if you can get more than the stated rate, just beware that some portion of your clientele wont appreciate it.
    You're arguing on two separate fronts. I think we can all agree that charging more than the set rate AFTER the fact, without notice, is not right. This thread is not really dealing with that scenario, so it is not the point. What is being discussed here is whether or not it is acceptable and good business practice to charge more, not cheat the customers.
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    As a customer it wouldn't bother me if the dancer makes it clear up front. I might be persuaded to go along if I thought it was worth it, and I would not be offended if I said declined. Announcing it afterwards comes close to fraud in my mind, and I would not be a happy camper.

    I once had a dancer who raised the price as she danced: nearing the end of a dance, turning up her energy to make the pitch for the next one, she would say she could do a "really special" dance for an additional 10. Seemed a little wierd. I went along out of curiosity, didn't really sense any difference, and then she tried to raise the price another 10 at the end of that one. I said no thanks. Maybe she would have more success with that with a drunk or really juiced up guy, but it just seemed sleazy to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    I don't need to do more work to get the same money from you because they'll pay the higher rate. Sorry .
    Nothing to be sorry for. If you can get it I say go for it. Since You are a dancer and I'm a customer our takes on the issue will always reflect that. As I mentioned earlier I know dancers who charge more and, quite honestly, give a sub-par dance. I'm not talking about extras or lack there of either. For this reason I don't pay more and really don't have to. I've never had any problems finding dancers to rock my world at the going rate. A couple of my regular ladies do charge more to other customers but not to me.

    Dancing is all about salesmanship. If a lady is able to convince a customer that she is worth X dollars more than another dancer that's fine. You don't actually have to be any better, you just have to convince the guy that you are.

    BTW,this is a bit off topic but since you used the analogy... the Sales office at the Ritz will spend plenty of time trying to convince you that they are a better "value" than the Ramada Inn when you call checking rates. If you represent enough of a cash influx they will even negotiate a rate to try and get you to stay there. Last year I negotiated a five night stay for a crew of guys working for me at the Four Seasons in Boston (actually five stars, the Ritz in Boston only has four) for $80 a night for each of 4 rooms - negotiated through priceline.com. Just for the record that's about 25% of their rack rate. Hotels actually have VERY fluid rate structures. Full rack rate is nice but an empty room makes no money.
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