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    Australian Hustling

    I'm not sure this is true for the entirety of Oz, but for my club and for surrounding clubs I know the following is true.

    You don't sell dances by song, you sell them by time. 15 minutes, 30 minutes, hour, two hours, ect. The top being $320 for an hour in the Platinum Room, at my club.

    Talking to a customer for 'a song' and then hitting them up for a dance for the next song is nearly impossible since the songs run THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE SONG and can be 15+ minutes sometimes (being on stage for 45 minutes sucks. ;-.

    You're not really selling naked lady in Australia, you're selling your time. Most men I've dealt with just want to buy time to talk to me. Hours in the Platinum Room consist of them chatting me up while buying me drinks and saying how beautiful I am. I only dance for about ten minutes and spend the rest of the time half-naked or fully-clothed on their lap (not even genital touching, I stay 6" above that) just chatting them.

    Dancer Wealth's seminar is of no use to Aussies (not to mention he completely failed to send me my promised CD and booklet from last JULY!) as you really can't make 'sales pitches' for the dances. You can't really say things like, "Let's have more fun in the back." because that'll prompt them to buy a 15 minute lapdance as apposed to an hour long chat session.

    I make a lot of money because I have an American accent, wear glasses and can talk tech with any geek that walks in, but other than that the actual 'selling' of dances is difficult. You're expected to talk to a man for half an hour or so to sell a dance that lasts another hour (or two..or three..).

    We also sell girl-on-girl spa shows. One girl at the club has a MAJOR crush on me (like, really, she asked me to be her first girlongirl kiss and keeps cuddling up to me) and she hustles for spa shows because 'I want to make out with Morrigan, get a spa show so I can!' Ha, however cute that is, spa shows can run 15minutes to 30 minutes and I only get $50 and it takes forever to actually get ready for the spa and then dry off... etc.

    How does one extend a spa show (would be more worth it if I could extend better) and how does one sell timed-not-songed dances in VIP rooms (blue, gold, platinum) in Australia?

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    Gold Coast Girl has had enormous success with the DW approach. I'm sure she'll have excellent input. As for that girl... ouch. Have you told her how bad she's messing you up? Maybe she'd get off your ass if you saw her OTC, LOL!

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    Well, she's not really HURTING me, but I find spashows unproductive because of how long it takes to get ready for one and how long it takes to get cleaned up after one.

    The girls say, "It's great because it's $50 for fifteen minutes of nothing." But it's not 15 minutes. There's a 10-20 minute wait while we get a controller and then get the curtains drawn and then 10 minutes to get dressed for it and then the 15 minute show and then the 10 minute dry-off and redress and reperfume so you don't smell like Chlorine. So it's really like $50 for 45 minutes! :/ But if we could extend it'd be much easier and more profitable. They're $200 every 15 minutes or so and each girl keeps $50.

    But if it's a slow night I REALLY am not going to complain when another girl is hustling FOR me.

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    Yeah I find DWs seminar really has no application to Australian dancing, myself. Of course, I also didn't get to study it very well since I never got my notebook and CD like promised...or even emailed back when I asked him about it...twice.

    But I'll see if I can dig up my memory and try some moves again.

    Do you have your notes? Can I persuade you to send a copy if I send you Cadburry chocolates and TimTams?

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    well, if you're already maxing out your club's money as you appear to be claiming you do routinely, you have no need of DW's advice.

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    Yeah but I'm maxing at like $400 a night (and that's with this one customer who loves me tipping $235 on stage). I know I can do better. For the last few nights I wasn't top earner and I saw girls getting $650. I know I know I know I can do better. I know if I got some moves down I could really milk this Australian scene for all it's worth.

    But it could also be the scene. I've noticed that the entirety for 10 dancers earnings could sometimes be $900. Some girls making $10! o.O;;;

    And I don't want DWs advice. Doesn't work here.

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    I just went to PM you on this matter Lilith but your mailbox is full. Please PM or email me when you get a chance and I'll be happy to fix whatever issue there is of you not getting something you were supposed to.

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    Yeah I noticed that, PMed you. :/

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    i'm just confused. you have posted that men love to keep you in vip endlessly, and at 300 an hour, that would be pretty mad cash for even a 4-5 hour shift. even if the club is taking half your money. which might be the case since 2 girls only get half total of a 200 dollar spa show fee. basically i thought you were already in vip constantly each shift, or close to it.

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    I just want to clarify that the reason I probably can't use DWs information here is because I don't remember enough of the conference for it to work well for me. Since my notebook and CD were both 'missing' (he's rectifying that), I wasn't able to study and work at it like the other girls. So if/once I get my new information packet and stuff in the mail I'll retry the DW method and reply on how well it works down under.

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    Nooo.... I'm not in VIP most of the shift if it made it sound like that. I only get VIP a little bit. Maybe once or twice a night, which is why I feel I can do better. And we do get half. I'm only making $155 an hour...and then GST.... so like $120 an hour, really.

    The men that love me seem to prefer to tip me for stage or just randomly which is where I make most of my money. If you look at my books, it says I made $100 one night when I really made $400 because of tips.

    Which is why I feel I could do better.

    Man I really need to learn to reword myself better. >_<

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    ok, this is a tip that has been given to many girls on this site when the club is taking an absurd cut of VIP room fees-- roll your own floor-based vips. if you're already getting tipped randomly and all that, you can work out deals for time on the floor and ignore that retarded club split for the vip room. that is of course, if your club doesn't freak over such a thing. if they do, you can always explain that the club takes half and let the vip customer fill in the rest appropriately. that works for many girls to make vip more worth their while without pressuring customers for a direct tip.

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    Floor VIPS, how does that work, exactly? Tell them, "Well it's $20 to talk to me for 15 minutes"?

    The club takes half our tips... but if we're not tipped in funny money, we can pretend we never got the tips and kinda hide them away. Otherwise how well can we spend Minx Money in the real world?

    So if I get paid in funny money that'll be so odd of an income bracket! Ha... but it WOULD work.

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    well, in texas there aren't vip rooms with hourly rates, so i just charge by time, usually 100 for 15-20 mins, 150-200 for 30 mins, and so forth. with guys that want to pay to talk, this works very well. in my case, all our dances are in private rooms, so i just sell time based on 'it's quieter to talk with me in the private dance rooms'. alternatively, if they don't want to pay a time rate or go to the private rooms, if i am sitting on the floor with them, they understand i get 10-20 per song once we've spent the initial 1-3 songs on the sale as such.

    as for the fact that you get tipped in funny money, that should only be a problem if you mostly earn funny money (like you make 500 for the night and 400 is usually funny money). that aussie club thing of stealing half your money by hook and crook just irks me, heh.

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    At this club, yes they take half..but there's no fees or tipouts... at one of my clubs fees and tipouts totalled 49.5%.... what's another .5% at that rate? o.O;;

    And I'll see if that works!!

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    just a suggestion, dont tell people how much you make!!! just give rough figures!

    i take it you work at minx in brisbane??

    have you thought about changing clubs? velvet cigar is good and i dont think that they have bath shows! maybe you should avoid bath shows all together and focus on getting dances or tips etc!!
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    How good is the money at Velvet? A girl told me the money was the same but that the club had 'a severe drug problem' and that 'management didn't like the girls'.

    Velvet was my first choice but I was hardup for money and took Minx as my club but I hear it's sh*t money.

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    Okay, hey lilith It is unfortunately that you thought that the DW seminar isn't relevant for Australians. It is just that I found it to be the complete opposite. It's all about adapting to the environment.

    You are correct, the majority of clubs in Australia charge a 'time' rate not a per song rate (only a few clubs in Melbourne do this and even then guys will ask 'how long' does the dance go for etc).

    As for the percentage the club is taking... unfortunately that is the rule not the exception with alot of clubs across Australia as well. It is v.hard to find clubs that have stage/door fees.

    Anyway, I still did sell dances even if it is time-based... I would just state two or three options starting from the highest most expensive option working down to the least expensive option.

    For instance:

    It's $x for an hour, $x for half of an hour and $x for 20 minutes.

    I always tried to sell, at least, a 20 minute dance. I only ever offered the 10 min option if the person inquired, asked for it or it really seems like he can only afford that option.

    Now the way I would work it is I would start off dancing for the first 5-10 minutes of the dance (you probably wear a watch, right? Due to the fact that alot of the dances at alot of the clubs in S.E.QLD are timed... some clubs like you to end the dance at 20 mins whilst others are a bit more leniant allowing you to determine when the dance is up)... then I would engage them in conversation in some way so that for the remainder of the dance I wouldn't have to dance .... and thus I had a greater chance of extending the dance ("I'm really truely enjoying this conversation and sincerely appreciate the break ... I would love to continue spending time with you however you need to pay for a little more time again.. would you prefer the half of an hour deal this time so that I we can continue the conversation with minimal interruptions?")

    The name of the game in Australia is good consistent income ... so even if you are making $400+ a shift at Minx consistently instead of making $800 one night (then $100 the next as such)... stay there. It's the reason why I stayed at Players so long when I did due to how it was good consistent money and thus I could 'plan' my investments and expenses as such around this consistent income.

    If you aren't having any real troubles with the club, the grass isn't always greener at another club.

    EDIT TO ADD: Even with the club taking a cut, this trick will work for you in the long run (trust me on this as it did for me)... to sell the longer timed dances.. include a free drink. At the most it should only cost you $10 (incl. a tip for the waitress, just order yourself something that you can drink for free at the club whereas the customer's drink will be a paid drink). It worked for me as I tended to be one of those who liked to the longer timed dances.. thus "less is more" with me.


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    That free drink thing is a good idea.

    And the waitresses sell our dances for us at this club. Such as, I'll be sitting with a guy and a waitress will come up, "Have you been enjoying your time with Morrigan, would you like to book a dance?" This does not happen everytime, just usually on Mondays and Teusdays.

    Now, when your dances are up, they come in THEMSELVES and say, "Your time with Morrigan is up, would you like to extend?" This happens 100% of the time. They time it, they ask, they try to get it extended for you.

    Maybe it wasn't Australian hustling DWs approach didn't work. Maybe it was Minx's hustling. I might've just assumed they were all the same.

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    Ah, Minx sounds alot like Players where they have hostesses on every night who do most of the hustling for you (as well as time it and ask for extentions). I found a good way to work around this is to do a "pre-emptive strike" as such: 5 minutes before the dance would end (hence wearing a watch was handy) and the hostess would come over herself to ask for an extention I would encourage the guy to get the money out then to extend the dance. I usually did this as it usually takes the poor fella a little while to fumble around for the money since they usually leave their wallets in thier back pocket (thus are sitting on it). Plus the way some hostesses would come ask for the extention would be a little abrupt so if I could cut them out of the equation as much as possible (have the money ready when they came over thus all they have to do is take the money and leave) I would.. evil however it just interrupted the flow at times.

    Granted, whilst you may not be able to use everything in the DW seminar in your situation there are some gems in there that you can still use. Just save the rest of the information for if and when you decide to dance in other clubs as I have found that not every club is similiar to Minx and Players in having hostesses esp. the Melbourne clubs.

    Most of the time you are on your own with no hostesses so just having this information regardless allows you to know that if you do move on from Minx you will be able to do well.

    As for the free drink thing, I used it to sell a longer time dance as well as 'reward' my regulars who would take me for half an hour or longer. Plus you do not need to offer this every time you try to sell a longer dance - use where/when required.

    Another thing from the seminar you can still use is the mimic-ing thing where you take a sip of your drink around the same time that the potential customer takes a sip of his drink ... and so forth. As I said, you may not be able to apply everything due to the way the club is set up (believe me, I had a real hard time initially trying to apply what I learnt at Hollywood Showgirls due to its set-up) however do not "throw the baby out with the bath water"


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    lilithmorrigan hi
    Don't let what everyone else is saying about the money at other clubs put you off, go in and have a look for yourself. I've had some of my best nights in places that everyone had been saying at the time was crap, sometimes it's true and sometimes the place just didn't work for them. It depends on a lot of factors including how well the club is set up for the dancers to make money, you should be able to get a good idea of the turnover and what the set up is just from going in and observing for a few hours.

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    I have found that one club might be bad for one girl, but great for another!

    A lot of people told me not to work at Minx in Sydney cos it is hard to make the cash, but the few times I have been there I have made money...

    Different places suit different girls... you might ace it at Velvet... but you won't know til you try!
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    ^^^ I totally ace it at velvet. I'm apparantly so good that girls keep coming up to me asking for tips and advice!

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    I am glad that you are having fun and making lots of money at velvet cigar!!
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    ^^Oh by the way, my costume will be ready in a week for your photographer... and... yeah. ^^

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