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    Dr. Phil was only married once before his current wife. Not defending him of course. Write his show andlet his staff know what we feel by mass letters.

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    I love what Grace said. Looks whose talking about exploitation, and money grabbing. He is all about making money and exploiting people who have problems whether genuine or made-up.

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    Default Re: Anyone see the Dr. Phil show on exotic dancers?

    OK, so much for smart strippers on tv. I guess that would burst their happy little bubble.

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    I can't say he's completly wrong because I have been in the business off and on for 14 yrs (traveled all over, but lived in manhattan for the last 12yrs where I've danced in all the top clubs). I went to an Ivy League college and only date nice men of means with successful careers. I have been kidnapped, stalked (and know many other girls in NY who also have, one guy even put crazy glue in her keyhole so she couldn't get into her apartment) and mugged outside my building after work one night (I now will only live in a doorman building). When men know what you do and the kind of money you carry home, in cash, they will follow. I even know of some dancer that got jumped by another dancers boyfriend. Most of my girlfriends that were married are divorced (and had to return to dancing, and the ones who quit dancing while married, they're men left them). Saving money is super hard for most dancers to do (on a Primetime dancer special last year they said there were 300,000 of us), I haven't been able because I like to travel. I'm lucky to be able to do this still, but having done nothing else my resume sucks and no one, I mean no one will hire me now. I've never waited tables so Hooter's even turned me down (and I'm a 34DD with a 22inch waist and blonde hair to my ass). Another thing I've noticed is that alot girls go into escorting (especially after our last mayor shut some of the clubs down, girls needed to work somewhere) after dancing because I guess they think less of themselves and have had enough of the lifestyle (and want to be more discreet about their naugty ways), and mostly because they can't get a job doing anything else. Your credit as a person is shot (I used to be a flight attendent, with the background check, forget it) and if you even try to sue someone some lawyers will have a hard time taking your case, being a dancer your word is nothing, the first thing they will point out is that your a stripper. Everyone likes to degrade us, fair or not. After taking a 2yr break because I was going to lose my mind, I went back this summer (I really missed it, love dressing up, dancing and its something I know I'm good at) danced at Penthouse for a week, hated it, not just a boring club with bitchy girls and spoiled married men, super high tipout and hard to make money on the floor alone, (the only way to make money to cover house fee and tip outs and still have some money to take home is doing rooms and men, old nasty or druged out men groping you and wanting to suck on your tits or you sucking them IS just disgusting and degrading. And that is what all/most men in NYC now expect when they go in a room, in all the clubs, HQ is the worst. I'm not an eastern european or spanish skank to put up with that, and that's what's taken over the nyc clubs and the men just degrade them because that's the norm now. I am a nice spanish girl just trying to make a living, not lose my mind from feeling dirty ), then went to Scores for a few weeks then one night at HQ (that's just a cover for a brothel, floor empty but rooms all full and I know enough girls there to know they are hardcore, can't sell a dance on the floor but do swallow). Since I live in Manhattan and would lile to continue dating men here I can't work in any of the clubs now, its funny that Vegas is cleaner now, I love working the floor, keeping it fun. And another weird thing about spoiled NYC men is that in Vegas they are so much nicer and easy to deal with, they don't expect much there. I know I'm ranting but needed to get some things off my chest. This business can be fun if you can control it, we are lucky to have this site now, I wish it had been around years ago. Wish all the girls only the best....

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    Default Re: Anyone see the Dr. Phil show on exotic dancers?

    Dancing doesn't lead to bad things like drug/alcohol abuse, escorting, not saving money you make, etc, bad choices do.

    *In hind sight I shouldn't have thrown escorting in there because honestly I think if that's what someone wants to do and they enjoy thier work who the fuck am I to judge.



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    A little interesting info on the guy that isn't readily made known but is easilt found with a little research...

    He was reprimanded by the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists for an "inappropriate dual relationship" with a 19 year old therapy client in 1988, McGraw was required to take ethics classes in order to continue his private practice in Texas. He did not complete the required classes.

    In 2003, McGraw entered the weight-loss business, selling shakes, energy bars, and supplements. His "Shape Up" pills claimed, on their label, that "These products contain scientifically researched levels of ingredients that can help you change your behavior to take control of your weight." Facing a Federal Trade Commission investigation into Shape Up's claims, McGraw pulled his supplements off the market in March 2004, and the FTC dropped its probe. He's now facing a class action lawsuit filed by folks who bought his product.

    In January 2006, in a segment titled "Extreme Disorders", Dr. Phil's show presented inaccurate information about the treatment of two neurological conditions (Tourette syndrome and Asperger syndrome). Information from Quackwatch and the American Psychiatric Association suggest that the information Dr. Phil and his guest, Dr. Hipskind, gave about the usefulness of brain imaging for treatment and diagnosis of these conditions was not only wrong, but possibly dangerous.

    While he does hold a Ph D it just seems like his actions are almost always self serving and done with the generation of money in mind.

    I hold to my opinion that the guy is a total douchbag...
    No I take that back, he's douche water.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Jessica_Rabbit, the stripper they had on there wasn't as intelligent as the roleplay you did. She had even been a firebreather in the past to make money.

    I love watching firebreathers! Whats wrong with them?

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    the point i was trying to make is that you can't say he WON'T put a smart professional dancer on the show to counter his viewpoint untill you try. i think it's worth a shot. it would be awesome if some of the professional girls would write or call the show. i can't do that myself, since my entire family is unaware of what i do.

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    Default Re: Anyone see the Dr. Phil show on exotic dancers?

    By definition the smartest dancers may feel it's not worth it to out themselves to attempt going toe-to-toe with him in a forum that's slanted. He makes statements that are opinion and presents them as common sense facts. What's common to his audience is not what's common to us. We're doing a fringe job that competes with his audience in their relationships. From day one of the common marriage there is the wife's resentment at that @$#%$! stripper the husband just had to see. Commonly, she will never forget that mark on their love. When Dr. Phil says "How many of you think that taking off your clothes and puttin up with men touching you and pulling you on their laps and asking you to prostitute yourself is a good job?" You're sunk! He's not going to present the best parts and the fact that you have a choice whether you are touced or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny
    the point i was trying to make is that you can't say he WON'T put a smart professional dancer on the show to counter his viewpoint untill you try. i think it's worth a shot. it would be awesome if some of the professional girls would write or call the show. i can't do that myself, since my entire family is unaware of what i do.
    You could always just email complaints about the show. I just emailed an Aussie comedy show and complained about them portraying strippers as prostitutes on Friday night. I'm not expecting great results from doing so but letter writing can sometimes make a difference - especially if alot of people do it, so it's worth a try. I have known a couple of people who work in tv programming and they do take the complaints quite seriously. (Too seriously alot of the time, lol but what the heck, use it to your advantage I say )

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    Default Re: Anyone see the Dr. Phil show on exotic dancers?

    In the end, Dr Phil is like Oprah and ANYTHING else on TV.. entertainment. As for the stereotype being portrayed by Dr Phil... whatever. I generally do not associate myself with people who think negatively of my line of work/business. If they want to pre-judge me without getting to know me (and ANYONE who has gotten to know me will realise I do approach this as a business nothing more and a stepping stone for more)... then that is their problem.. I just won't associate myself with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkcandyx
    "Everyone likes to degrade us, fair or not.... "
    Not, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkcandyx
    "I'm not an eastern european or spanish skank to put up with that...."
    ... when ya'll effectively do same to each other makes it much more difficult for some to see.
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    Those girls take degrading to another level and I'm not afraid to say it. Most Clubs in NYC will only hire hardcore Russian or Latin girls because they will do anything for a buck. I guess they feel men don't feel guilty degrading them, and that's what kind of service they expect when paying 800plus for a room. I don't even consider most of those girls exotic dancers, that would require doing stage and floor dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny
    if you really feel that we were wrongly represented, maybe some of the "investment" dancers should write the show and explain their side and offer to go on. the best way to approach something you feel is perpetuating a stereotype is to stand up to it (not angrily) and show what you know to be the truth. i've seen him have guests on before that have challanged what he's said in the past.
    The problem with that is, the general public doesn't already believe anything but the standard stereotype, so a show based on healthy, stable, financially secure strippers won't sell. Since media is all about sales, the FULL picture of what it's really like to be a stripper will NEVER be shown. They won't have those of us who aren't strung out, stoopid or otherwise unbalanced on those shows in the first place. We'll all get screened out before anything is even started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona
    Dancing doesn't lead to bad things like drug/alcohol abuse, escorting, not saving money you make, etc, bad choices do.
    Exactly ! It's the choices people make that lead to either positive or negative outcome. It's a matter of cause and effect.

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    I realize that many of the clean, smart, well-adjusted dancers out there are basically in hiding because of these stereotypes. The problem is that as long as there are no respectable dancers willing to put themelves out there, then the negative stereotypes will never be challenged. I've started to "come out", so to speak, with people outside my immediate friends and family. The response is usually shock, followed by numerous questions. But I hardly ever get negative feedback, just curiousity. The reason for this, I believe, is because I clearly have my life together and present a positive image. I often hear, "wow, you don't look like a stripper!" or, "you're the first stripper I've ever met!". And I always say, "well this is what we look like, normal people like everyone else." Anyway, just some food for thought. We need to represent ourselves properly.

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    TV personalities, whether they are news casters or comedians or soap opera actors are esentially doing the same job strippers are: Entertaining people in exchange for a paycheck.

    I think the stripper stereotype can also apply to celebreties in all aspects of entertainment:
    * Sexually loose
    * Often drug abusers or alcoholics
    * Cheat on their spouses or have relationships with others who are married
    * Greedy
    * Stupid
    * High maintence
    * Bad attitudes
    * Demanding
    * Egotistical

    Strippers certianlly don't have a corner on these personality flaws. It is seen in all kinds of entertainers from sports figures to muscians to actors to newscasters. Strippers don't even get to claim "exclusive" rights to making money solely off our looks and body. Lots of entertainers and models get paid to pose nude or nearly so, but when a stripper dances nude it is considered depraved behavior, but Demi Moore does a nude photo shoot while also being very pregnant, it is art? Hell, I could go on the internet and find dozens of website dedicated to pregnant nudes, and most would agree that those sites are NOT art.

    So, when someone is paid a butt-load of money and has a certain amount of recognition, their sex related job is art. When someone is just a middle class, non-famous individual and is plying their sex related job, they are depraved and sick individuals.

    Any questions?

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    Ugh... Well, I already thought Dr. Phil was an idiot anyways... I watched ONE of his shows... Part way through. He had some high school girl on there who didn't get into the cheer squad and her mom was saying it was cuz the other girls didn't like her (duh, welcome to highschool) and that was wrong, blah blah blah. So, he'd gotten the head cheerleaders on the show and they were like, "No, it's because she wasn't any good. She can't do this and that" etc. etc.

    It was really sad. I had to switch the channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    TV personalities, whether they are news casters or comedians or soap opera actors are esentially doing the same job strippers are: Entertaining people in exchange for a paycheck.

    Any questions?
    Yup, Paris, I was thinking about this just today. If I had to do a scene every night on Broadway in the typical play I might be kissing and rolling in bed with a "strange man" or woman, for that matter. There's no difference. But I'd be famous and Oprah would want to know my tips on sexiness. People are hypocrites. Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica_rabbit
    I realize that many of the clean, smart, well-adjusted dancers out there are basically in hiding because of these stereotypes. The problem is that as long as there are no respectable dancers willing to put themelves out there, then the negative stereotypes will never be challenged. I've started to "come out", so to speak, with people outside my immediate friends and family. The response is usually shock, followed by numerous questions. But I hardly ever get negative feedback, just curiousity. The reason for this, I believe, is because I clearly have my life together and present a positive image. I often hear, "wow, you don't look like a stripper!" or, "you're the first stripper I've ever met!". And I always say, "well this is what we look like, normal people like everyone else." Anyway, just some food for thought. We need to represent ourselves properly.
    Let me just say first that I'm hoping that's you in your avatar, Jessica, it looks like I need to make it out to VA, and soon, wow! You are somethin'!!

    OK, where was I...........oh yeah, in spite of the fact I know relatively little about him specifically: Dr. Douche, Dr. Douchebag, Dr. MassenPHil, whatever you want to call him sounds like a snakeoil salesman if there ever was one. Of course all TV and media are rife with this kind of Junk Science, that's one reason why I never watch TV anymore. (TV free since 1995!) You need to take what the media says with a huge grain of salt..... However, he seems to be reaching the daytime Housewife/ househusband TV watching crowd. Case in point: My neighbors wife finds out my neighbor went to a SC with me for the like second time is his whole life a few weeks ago. I was already a bad influence, but now this!!

    Her: "So the girls there are all skanks, right?"
    Me: "Well, urm........no. They seem to be pretty nice actually." "Some are gorgeous and talented and fun to talk to, too"

    This went against everything that Oprah and her ilk are handing out to her every day, so I'm sure what I had to say meant little to her. I didn't mean for her to feel threatened. But if she is, I can't control that.....

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