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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade
    I'm lost. Why does it seem like you are fighting with me when all I did was post a link to a news story? If you're not, I apologize for misreading this post.

    I think she does not like your flag,but I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda_normal_guy
    Lawyer: Photos Will Show Dancer Was Hurt, Impaired Before Duke Lacrosse Party

    Pretty much anything that comes from FoxNews is propaganda and full of false information. If you want to hear actual facts on most any subject then avoid FoxNews .

    Second as was mentioned already time stamps can be altered . I can do it with my Sony camera and it isn't even a top of the line model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable
    I think she does not like your flag,but I don't know.

    I venture to say you are correct . Considering the history of that flag I don't blame her . That symbol represents the height of racism in this country. Being that race is a big part of this Duke rape case it stands to reason that many women and especially women of color are going to take that flag as an indication of what position the person using it is going to have on this subject.

    Also DILLIGF stands for "Does it look like I give a fuck" so the combo of the two together in an avatar give off a certain sort of attitude that is likely to offend many people.

    I am not even black and I don't like it but it is a free country so if he wants that symbol and all that is associated with it to be his avatar then that is his choice. It is a matter of freedom of expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole
    I venture to say you are correct . Considering the history of that flag I don't blame her . That symbol represents the height of racism in this country. Being that race is a big part of this Duke rape case it stands to reason that many women and especially women of color are going to take that flag as an indication of what position the person using it is going to have on this subject.

    Also DILLIGF stands for "Does it look like I give a fuck" so the combo of the two together in an avatar give off a certain sort of attitude that is likely to offend many people.

    I am not even black and I don't like it but it is a free country so if he wants that symbol and all that is associated with it to be his avatar then that is his choice. It is a matter of freedom of expression.
    Blade what Tara Nicole said express a good point. Also I was not picking a fight with you! Just as you have the freedom to display that flag. I have the freedom to make negative comments about the flag. I dont know you as a person, so far you have never did anything to hurt me. I accept your apology!
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    So let's review here...

    Stereotype of strippers as whores: BAD.
    Stereotype of rape victims as liars: BAD.
    Stereotype of black women as easy: BAD.
    Stereotype of all Southerners as "racist rednecks": GOOD.

    This is NOT about the fucking flag, and that flag has jack-all to do with anything. I for one am a proud feminist Southerner and I am neither racist nor a redneck. Not to hijack the thread, but I'm just damn sick to death of being subjected to this shit.

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    ^ i was going to say something about that too... i've lived in texas my entire life and i'm as far from a racist hick as one can get and neither are most southerners.

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    The only reason why this case is getting the kinds of attention, focus and debate that it is, is because it wraps misogyny, misandry, racism, regionalism, class struggle and pro/con sex worker all into one little box.

    I submit that I have yet to see anyone look at this case without some form of tinted glasses based on one's personal beliefs, biases and experiences.
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    What a mess...

    Of course there were, no doubt, more than just the 46 (or 47, counting the one black guy) lacrosse players at the party. That 'wall of silence' might be protecting some equally sheltered friends of the lacrosse team members.

    The defense lawyers will certainly do all they can to discredit the victim, who apparently is a ripe target for this tactic due to her unfortunate record. The fact that many of those spoiled boys have similar records won't help her, and won't hurt them.

    The defense lawyers will certainly do all they can to make it appear that none of the DNA samples match, regardless of the stringency of the collection methods used.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that there have been some tricks pulled to ensure no matching DNA was found anyway--but then I am biased against the glorification of college and pro team sports heros. I recall hearing the methods used to lure players to the UT teams when I was in Austin, the actual payment of money being prohibited--it was disgusting. Payment wasn't allowed, but lavish gifts (like very expensive sports cars), parties, and sexual favors bought were freely used. Alumni are allowed to give gifts to whom they choose, and entertain as they see fit.

    From junior high onwards, and sometimes even earlier, 'star' athletes are coddled and granted special status, their rude or uncivil behavior towards other students glossed over, their grading process subject to little or no scrutiny. And the adoring fans kiss ass on every available occasion, often in ways that make me shake my head in wonder.

    Am I convicting these guys in my own mind, no--I wasn't there and have no access to the real evidence.

    I am skeptical, however, that nothing took place and the woman is making it all up, though I have worked with women whom I wouldn't believe under similar circumstances, either. I am quite sorry to say this. But I do work in a pretty rough club, and I know that the women I work with are not suitable examples by which to judge the profession. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't know this. Especially people who revere that detestable swine, Rush Limbaugh.

    I really wonder if the truth will ever be known.

    One thing I do believe--if the wealthy parents of a guilty rapist lacrosse player can buy their way out of it, especially with the collusion of Duke University athletic department members wishing to avoid embarassment, they will...

    Oh, and Deogol, I agree entirely about the Kennedy clan--much as I despise the Bush Dynasty as being downright unAmerican and dangerous to the future of this country, the Kennedy Dynasty wasn't any better as far as their personal morals were concerned. Furthermore, the dynastic trend is dangerous no matter which party or political stance it comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    One thing I do believe--if the wealthy parents of a guilty rapist lacrosse player can buy their way out of it, especially with the collusion of Duke University athletic department members wishing to avoid embarassment, they will...

    Oh, and Deogol, I agree entirely about the Kennedy clan--much as I despise the Bush Dynasty as being downright unAmerican and dangerous to the future of this country, the Kennedy Dynasty wasn't any better as far as their personal morals were concerned. Furthermore, the dynastic trend is dangerous no matter which party or political stance it comes from.
    I agree. I think we've never shaken that English love of royalty and we try to find signs of divine birthright in any rich or talented family. We're setting ourselves up. Rich families and talented families have the same shortcomings. People still seem to want to worship them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    I agree. I think we've never shaken that English love of royalty and we try to find signs of divine birthright in any rich or talented family. We're setting ourselves up. Rich families and talented families have the same shortcomings. People still seem to want to worship them.
    That's because they haven't had enough experiences with them.... I won't ever live in another area that's not liberal again. I know all too many rich families that are dumber than a doorknob. Talented? We are all talented in some way... some of us just have more of a chance to develop our talents.

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    There are many who like to use the Confederate Flag as a sign of independent spirit and southern ideals.

    Unfortunately for them, the Confederate Flag is also used as a sign of racism. If you choose to use that flag, you choose to associate yourself with racism. If you choose to use this symbol, you will need to defend youself as not being a racist and need to condemn those who continue to use the symbol as a sign of racism.


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    For full disclosure, I'm a Southern Californian transplanted in the desert of Arizona. I happen to be white, but spent much of my formative years growing up in a predominantly black neighborhood (Inglewood). I am a proud graduate of an elite public university who is not impressed by rich private schools and the type of people they attract.

    IMO there are three intertwined issues here:

    1) A group of elitist young men who decided to pump up thier egos by hiring a couple of entertainers with the intent of degrading them.
    To me, this is the most appalling and damaging attitude displayed in this event. I hope to live in a world where we show our respect for all living things. I'm not a tree hugger, I don't condemn hunting, and I'm all for showing a little humor from time to time, but these young men showed thier low self esteem by having to degrade these gals in a group setting.

    2) Racism comes into the picture when the young men specifically ask for black entertainers AND later yell racial epithets at them. Interestingly, in the city known for race riots (Los Angeles), you would NEVER see anything like this. Racism is different in different places. After moving to Phoenix, I was appalled at the predominance of racism amongst locals and transplants from the Midwest and parts of the South. In my opinion, it is important to use this as an example of racism to question its' origin. The more we can talk about it in a less passionate (read: complaining) manner, I hope the issue and viewpoint loses its steam.

    There are those who say that racism also came into play when the DA and police did not immediately arrest the players. Here I will disagree - apparently the police knew the victim/accuser would have difficulty identifying her attackers at the time. It would be inappropriate to arrest 46 young men for a crime committed by 3. If I were in the DA's shoes, I would be very frustrated in my inability to arrest anyone yet. Bringing up past ills shown by authorities towards black people is not relevant here and only adds steam to an already hot topic.

    3) Finally, sadly, this is about a sex crime. This is a story of a few sick men who feel entitled to commit a crime and think they will get away with it. Personally, I chose to give less energy towards hating these sick three boys and save all that energy to caring for the vicitim. She needs to know that she is respected and cared for. Whether or not the young men are brought to justice by our legal system, karma and public opinion have already condemned them for the rest of thier lives.


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    ^^^Yeah, this irks me. Why would these guys request 2 black dancers? What type of club or how did they find these dancers? Did they come from a "gentlemen's club" or the hood's "round the way" club? I mean, come on, a group of rich white guys OPENLY showing their sexual attraction to black dancers in front of each other? Uh...that's not a southern white guys' style, ya'll (this is coming from a GA peach, no speculation. I was taught that's just the way it is here.) From the beginning it really nagged me about them purposely requesting two black dancers....Any thoughts on this?

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    I would suspect it was a big and very nasty joke to them--I think they were looking to degrade these women.

    Whether or not they raped them, it was no doubt a sick ritual of sorts...
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    You know what's funny? There is an adage among southern white men that "You ain't a real man, til you split dark oak..." I don't know if that's how a lot of southern guys still think, but maybe that way of thinking about these types of women still resides in them... I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois
    From the beginning it really nagged me about them purposely requesting two black dancers....Any thoughts on this?
    Yes, I have thoughts on it. They planned to rape or do worse to a black women all along andf thought that a stripper/escort would either not be missed in the event of a murder or would not report the crime in the case of a rape.

    They were wrong. Sick bastards

    I hear an arrest is coming next week because one or more of the attackers has been positively identified.

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    ^^Really?! OMG! Tara, if you can find a link or anything about that please post it!

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    Two players have been indicted and will be arrested as of this morning!

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    Prediction: We won't start to see any further evidence leaks until jury selection is complete.

    Everyone will quickly figure out who the boys are who are charged. The boys will be forced to drop out of school for their own safety.

    The University is actually happy that someone is charged. They couldn't survive the scrutiny if they weren't.

    We still don't know much of what happened, other than a lot of speculations and name calling.


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    I have keep my opinon to myself untill some arrests were made.I haven't heard all the evidence but from what I have seen & heard these boys look guilty.One of the two has community service for assalt & racial slurs.I hope they get these two to talk about the third kid,so they convict them all.I love how they get to turn themselves in with there attorneys present to bail them out in minutes.These kids should of had their homes raided in the middle of the night like everybody selse would have.

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    I understand that a third player is going to be arrested soon.

    I wonder if any of the other players will be charged with any crimes such as obstruction or not trying to stop the rape?

    Does anyone else see this trial getting live coverage on Court TV?

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    The accuser is guilty of watching too much Nick at Nite.

    She didn't finger her attackers, she fingered Jethro and Opie!

    But seriously, does Collin Finnerty look like a cast member for The Hills Have Eyes or what?

    Finally, does anyone know if they fingered her before she fingered them?


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    From that last link:
    "The players' attorneys also claim that time-stamped photos taken at the party showed the woman was bruised, bleeding and "seriously impaired" when she arrived at the party, which began March 13 and continued into the next morning."

    That's the stupist f*cking excuse. You can set your camera to display any time or date you want. Yea right, she showed up like that. That and the email... It all makes me sick. At least she's finally getting support. I hope they try this as a hate crime, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21
    I hope they try this as a hate crime, too.
    Nifong already answered that question.

    They would need to provide sufficient evidence of a hate crime to the feds in order to receive the added resources. The DA would lose control of the case.

    And, sadly, in the end - the penalty for a hate crime is not any worse than those charges which have already been made.

    You get nothing in return for increasing the burden of proof.

    I agree with your senitiments though.


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    I have keep my opinon to myself untill some arrests were made.I haven't heard all the evidence but from what I have seen & heard these boys look guilty.One of the two has community service for assalt & racial slurs.I hope they get these two to talk about the third kid,so they convict them all.I love how they get to turn themselves in with there attorneys present to bail them out in minutes.These kids should of had their homes raided in the middle of the night like everybody selse would have.
    YES! That kills me how the rich walk in with dignity and any other accused citizen gets dragged in a' la COPS! That kid was just charged with assault last year and should have been expelled. Why take the chance of having that freak on campus? At the very least he should have been banned from any team participation until completing his sentence.

    There was a great kid who was depressed over the death of his best friend and sought psychological help and was expelled. Assault is far worse! Thoses douchebags should go!

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