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    I'm new to the area- and know NOTHING about the clubs around here. I have read some old posts- but wondering if anyone has any new or different information to share on the clubs around here. I used to work at K2U in RI and was comfortable with the kind of money I made there- can anyone give me an idea on the earning potential here in upstate NY? I do plan to venture out and visit some clubs next month. Get an idea from a customer point of view- but I would love to hear from a dancers point of view- what are the clubs like? Management? Tip-out? Earning potential? Rules? Schedules?
    Really- any information will help me out- and I do appreciate anyone taking the time to share some info/experiences with me. Thank you

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    you're about to enter one of the worst areas for exotic dancing anywhere ! Upstate NY clubs typically have sucky earnings potential, too much mileage expectation for the money, and (for the most part) power-trippy independent clubowners who won't hesitate to treat dancers like shit.

    The problem stems from the fact that there really aren't any 'upscale' clubs in Syracuse (well, maybe Dream Girls, which in Rhode Island terms is fairly close to Foxy Lady in more ways than one). Again in Rhode Island terms, most of the Syracuse clubs are more like Cheaters but the customers don't have as much money to spend.

    Where the blue collar clubs used to be able to cash in on union manufacturing workers (GE, Carrier Corp, Nestle etc.) the vast majority of these jobs are now gone, blue collar guys have much less money to spend, they now demand more 'bang for their buck', and many girls are willing to provide it. To top it all off, you've got all sorts of colleges in the area thus all sorts of college girls who are willing to dance (or do whatever) in order to cover next semester's tuition payment, plus all sorts of college guys who are on super-tight budgets.

    Occasionally you can earn excellent money if you happen to hook up with travelling businessmen, with white collar techy guys out for a semi-annual adventure etc. There's also your usual handful of 'regular' club crawlers who will provide a steady stream of cash if you're willing to 'keep them happy'. But all in all, if you intend to work in Syracuse clubs with K2U style mileage limitations the earnings potential is likely to be pretty disappointing.
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    I was afraid of that...
    *sigh* It might not even be worth it to dance- I live up by Fort Drum- so it's about an hour drive to Syracuse- so with the gas money- I'll just have to give it a shot and see what happens. Hopefully I find a decent club with no nasty stuff going on.
    Thanks for the info!

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    in that case, I'd definitely save the gas money and wear and tear on your car, and give Diamond Dolls in Plattsburg a try ! It could turn out that you'll wind up being a 'big fish in a small pond' and doing very well there, even though the club is tiny !

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    Hmmm... I did google maps, and Diamond Dolls is 4 hours from me lol... from what I can see on the map there's a club in Fulton not too far, the clubs in Syracuse, and Utica... course Kingston, Ontario is about an hour away but I dont know if there are clubs there or what it's like to dance in Canada- if that is even possible.
    I'll be in this area for atleast another 2 years (hubby is military- stationed at Fort Drum)- money is really tough right now and I was hoping by the summer I'd find a decent place to work and pull in some decent money each week.
    Thank you Melonie for the info though- your posts are always very informative

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    Upstate NY sucks all my friends travel to CT to dance. I danced in Albany, and it was the worst experience of my life My friends live in Ithaca, and there is nothing in that area

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    oops I was thinking Watertown and writing Plattsburg, sorry ! I'm not sure what happened, but apparently Watertown has managed to keep strip clubs out.

    Club 48 in Fulton is a 'hole in the wall', and was recently busted for drugs !

    Of all of the clubs in the area, Peepers in Utica is probably the best mix of reasonable mileage plus reasonable management plus reasonable earnings potential (which still sucks by RI standards !). I used to dance there once upon a time when my cup size was still in the first half of the alphabet.

    Yes it IS possible for an American girl to legally dance in Canadian clubs, which in your case would probably mean the Kingston to Ottawa area (which would be just as short a drive as Syracuse). However, this means applying for a work visa (which aren't terribly hard to get), reporting your income to both the Canadian and US gov't, and being hassled at the border twice a day - on top of the usual alcohol plus full contact club environment in most Canadian clubs !

    Given the military and college presence in the Watertown/Potsdam area, you might try thinking about starting a 'bachelor party' service of your own !
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    Ok, heads up on Dream Girls-they're in trouble and only open a few nights a week now.. until something gets turned off, whether it be power, lease etc. The owner actually went out and got another job (!!) and has pretty much left it to the underlings to run until it closes-which is a shame because it's a beautiful club.

    If you're really looking into dancing in Syracuse, I'd look into either The Club or Paradise Found. I am at the club and will not go anywhere else in Syracuse simply because it's the best club for your money... as in they don't take anything from the dancers (other than tip outs). That makes working in Syracuse's horrible economy much easier to bear. Money varies-some nights are absolutely horrible and others are great.. I happened to have a good weekend, so maybe that's why I sound a bit more optimistic than usual.. lol

    As a side note, we just had another Fort Drum girl start at the club... I'm not sure how many shifts she plans on working, but might be worth looking into carpooling. I know she has a spot on "myspace" so just send me a pm and I'll pass it on .

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    Just an FYI, I just recently danced at Peepers in Utica. Don't waste your time. The managment was very nice as were the dancers, and the club itself wasn't bad. The money was HORRIBLE. Lets put it this way. I started working at about 8pm or so, went on stage 3 times, did not have even one dollar until almost 11pm. 1/2 split on the dances, topless 10 (5 to you) and 20 for nude. Out of the 14 tickets that I turned in I was tipped for the dance ONCE. So I spent the night lap dancing for 5 and 10 dollars. Sorry, not this girl. Upstate blows, if you can travel its your best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tia_q
    Ok, heads up on Dream Girls-they're in trouble and only open a few nights a week now.. until something gets turned off, whether it be power, lease etc. The owner actually went out and got another job (!!) and has pretty much left it to the underlings to run until it closes-which is a shame because it's a beautiful club...
    What is getting TURNED OFF is the VIP pay for dancers. I know of 4 or 5 who are now owed several THOUSAND dollars for over two weeks now. Stay tuned for more business news on this fiasco.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Why am I not surprised to hear this ??? If you look at the Syracuse area economy, it seriously sucks. On top of that, NY state income, business and property taxes are all up versus last year, as are utility bills.

    This certainly smells like an impending bankruptcy, which will 'stiff' former dancers for unpaid VIP percentages leaving no effective recourse for even a partial recovery. The same thing happened a few years back with a few Manhattan clubs ...

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    Money in Ottawa is decent. I've heard girls moaning a lot lately, but from what I've still seen more girls than me clear $500 from Sun-Weds. But yes, handsy contact, full nude, alcohol, etc. Plus some of those French Canadian girls are often fierce as sharks- you have to compete against the best hustlers around! But worth a shot. You could probably make over $1000 if you came for a weekend, and these days that's almost the same in your dollars.

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    Bankrupt clubs (and other businesses) - management will skim off everything they can as the inevitable becomes obvious to them. Whatever is left will be handled by bankruptcy courts; creditors will get a percentage of thwhat the court doesnt take out for their costs. If anyone is an employee, the state dept of Labor will assist in recovering salary if notified in time. But independent contractors wiull be the last to get anything at all - and that means nothing. This all plays along with club policies of with-holding VIP commissions and pooled tips until the managemenyt skims off their cut.

    I'm telling everyone, now and previously, that most all clubs are corruptly managed by incompetent quasi-fraud artists, or people acting like them until proven so in court. If any club withholds pay for several days, that clubs' pay base needs to be BONDED and you need to know where the BOND is held.

    I wouldn't blame someone if they got angry enough to torch the place, and I'll bet that has been done to some other places.

    <<Yeah, I know, Mel, the economy stinks here. I'm also SURE that many other places have stinking economies too. Such is politics, whatever their party.>>
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Some other things I've heard from dancers who worked there - onerous late arrival fees like $100, weeklong delays in paying out from cash the club received THAT night, stage and table tips pooled and divied up equally, also bachelor party cuts and tips withheld same as VIP tips (these are parties the club setup and sponsored there in off-hours).

    Because of these practices and others, it has been hard to get dancers to work and stay there. The result, in a highly controlled non-extras place, is that not-too-appealing dancers or beginners are working there and the club has lost its customer appeal. All of which makes things even harder for those trying to work there.

    So, once again, it is management practices mainly that have doomed what was once a nice, thriving club, not the general economy, except in a very general sense. Well, it was nice to those who liked it. I never liked it much at all, even with the bed and shower 'dances' and cigar selling etc .

    I wish I could give tips to those thinking about working as dancers in Syracuse, but I havent been clubbing much at all for many months. And things have changed a lot here. From what I hear, Paradise Flound is the hot club at least for customers; it is clean and working conditions are pretty good.

    In the background, the county is trying to find an isolated location to force clubs to move to (the Scott Bergthold group's vestiges), but that's long term and success is very doubtful. They have found one, but the towenship is protesting. Syracuse might well be conservative (initiatives against streetwalkers and massage parlors etc) in many other areas too, but strip clubs have always been tolerated here and even in their current locations. Unless some church-goers get going, not much will change here. It never does.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    not much will change here. It never does.
    Like many other cities to come, what has changed in Syracuse is the nature of the economy itself. 10 years ago, the area still had 'union scale' employers like United Technologies, G.E. and literally a hundred smaller companies that provided 'decent paying' jobs relative to the local cost of living. However, as state and local taxes have been increased, as utility and energy costs have increased etc., a lot of these companies have simply moved work offshore. Of the companies that have tried to continue doing business profitably in the area, attempts have been made to cut wages and benefits resulting in pay cuts or strikes. Also, extremely few companies are making capital investments / improvements to their existing facilities, resulting in much less 'business' for local contractors and suppliers. As a result, 50,000 'productive' people have permanently moved out of the greater Syracuse area in the last 10 years, and the only serious 'growth' industries have been in retail or gov't funded.

    Unfortunately, in terms of potential club customers, all of the above means that the number of people still working in the Syracuse area who are actually earning enough money or doing enough 'business' to afford dropping several hundred bucks at a strip club has declined greatly. This caused a significant reduction in earnings potential for the clubs as well as for the dancers. With clubowners faced with rising taxes, rising utility bills etc., a system evolved locally were essentially every club devised a means of collecting about 50% of dancer earnings (via VIP/private dance percentage, stage fees, tip sharing or whatever). This in turn provided a strong incentive for some dancers to start 'selling' whatever customers were willing to pay 'extra' for. This in turn caused much of the customer base to become 'jaded' in regard to their expectations, with word quickly getting around in regard to which dancers were willing to meet those expectations and which ones were not.

    End result now appears to be that not only has it become nearly impossible for dancers to earn decent money without resorting to meeting customer 'expectations', but 'clean' clubs can't remain profitable either. It would appear that there simply isn't enough upscale market segment left to support a low contact 'show club' anymore !

    PS to the best of my knowledge there is only one clubowner in Syracuse who treats dancers as 'employees', and he doesn't own Dream Girls. As a result, when Dream Girls locks its doors any dancers who are still owed money will have essentially zero chance of financial recovery.

    PPS I agree with you that other cities, and particularly those whose 'union scale' employers are cutting back or outsourcing the way Syracuse companies did over the past 5-10 years, will likely wind up with the same sort of changes happening in their 'club scene'.

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    In the dancer world generally, dancers do not band together to make mass demands on the club policies. Doesn't mean a strict union is needed, but some sort of loose trade or professional association would be useful. Again a dancer exception rules - many dancers to not make enough money or iunterest to support such an organization or have the personality to adhere to any business practices or even work with others for a common good.

    If such an organization existed (in larger areas or even nationally) and were supported enough to entice new dancers to become involved, this group could have a large impact on onerous club pay and penalties.

    But,shoot, even in a profession like engineering, many do not belong to professional societies. Still some solution needs to be found for dancer security and protection.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Paradise Found now takes about 100$ tip outs every night.SCREW THAT!

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    I moved from Syracuse to west palm beach 2 years ago. 2 years ago and many years before that Syracuse sucked. I worked or had friends that worked in the clubs and they were nasty. My family still lives there and my brother knows some of the dancers in that area. If you are interested I can contact those girls so you can get an idea for what they make.

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    Paradise Found now takes about 100$ tip outs every night.SCREW THAT!
    I'm assuming that the club now called Paradise Found is the same place in East Syracuse which was previously called Moulin Rouge, Dream Girls 2, and a bunch of other names under previous management, with the club's major claim to fame being its totally unsupervised private dance booths ? If so, then there's probably only one way to earn enough at this club to cover a $100 nightly stage fee and still take home decent money ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasonDykine
    Paradise Found now takes about 100$ tip outs every night.SCREW THAT!
    Further, several dancers, who were new to the club, apparently have not yet been paid for some bachelor parties they did under club sponsorship back around Memorial Day. This amounts to some thousands of dollars.

    So that club also is headed downhill fast.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    so then what is the earning potential in syracuse-alpine, The Club at adult world, etc. like 100 per nite or like 500 per nite? i know it depends on the girl and all, but still a guesstimate would be nice...thanks!

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    It really depends on if the club actually PAYS you what it owes you. A few hundred a night when things go well would be a guess at the better paying clubs. But I dont work in the industry and only telling you what has been told to me.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    i would but college during the fall and winter...plus gas prices suck. But I can see how during the summer it could work!

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    Alpine probably has the best overall earnings potential in Syracuse, if you can put up with the drama.

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    Well I hope this helps.

    I am very familiar with Upstate Ny. Syracuse is my hometown. The clubs in Syracuse have gone to hell over the last few years. Dream girls was the best for nude dancing but it has been closed for 2 months now. The Alpine is your only hope in syracuse for any chance at money. Club is tiny, with alot of girls.
    You might want to try the other WNy cities. Dont go to Rochester, seedy seedy clubs there. Best bet is Buffalo. There is one great club in WNY called Pharoahs (just opened last Sept) High Class, high custys, 3 stages...etc. Lots of money here in this club. The city itself is crap, the whole WNY economy is down, but if your looking for Topless this is you best bet, unless you feel like traveling much farther. I'll even give you contact info. Clubs number is 716-565-2050. Ask for me. (Dj Rob). I'll set u up so you can try it for a night or two and see if it is what you might be intrested in. Only bet in WNY, as Melanie said this area is hurting. This club is actully run right and does the advertising and such.

    Plus I work there added bonus j/k

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