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    ii've been working in this small town club for a year now, and most of my time spent is talking rather than dancing. i feel like its a huge rip off to spend and hour talking to a guy who is "chillin" just like the rest of the men in the room, and take forever to get "drunk enough" to get a dance. it isn't that i'm a bad hustler, its that the club seems to run that way. all the dancers get the same attitude...minus the ones who do extras, and i would like to know a polite way to get paid for my time if they don't want to get a dance just yet. i spend the first three hours of the night talking, two hours finally rounding up the dances, and pretty much all of it trying to sort out the bull i hear from all of them. i used to dance in dallas so things were much easier when it came to money, if they didn't want a dance (which you knew within ten minutes of sitting down) you would move on, and if they wanted to talk they'd tip, or if you talked for a while then they bought dances they'd stuff $1's in your garter during the dance or give you and extra ten or 20..maybe more for your time and entertainment...unfortunately i lost those kinds of guys when i came out to east texas, and i just can't seem to get it across that if you want me to talk for an hour and not buy any dances, i should get tipped for it. i tried talking to one guy about it and right when we got to the point i was called on stage and he ran out the door. he said i deserved to be paid for my time, and we were talking prices...and he didn't shell out the money. he ran like a coward. many of the guys here do that and i'm not a pushy person. i'm sorrry this is so long but i really do want the advice from some of you guys, how do i get the money for my time and not offend them? i left dallas for a reason and i just need to know what i am doing wrong, and how to get properly compensated.

    (i'm still new to this community so i appologize if there is already a thread about this that i have missed.)

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    Hey,

    Wow, no takers on this thread huh. I guess that's because nobody has a good answer. I don't really know, as I know the score at the SC and if I wanted a lady to sit with me for a while, and I wasn't getting any dances, I would ask her how much to chill out with me. The guys you are talking about probably don't care and think you should just sit there and talk with them like it was a privilege for you to do so.

    In that case, after the first few minutes, just let them know that you have to go back to work and it was fun talking with them. If they ask you to stay then just let them know it will be X amount of $. Maybe even "apologize" to them saying that you wish you could stay and you'd like to stay there talking with them but you have to make some money tonight. If they don't get the hint, or they ignore it, stop wasting your time. Subtlety and tact go hand in hand.

    Sorry that's all I could come up with.

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    Out of the 6 months I've been dancing there has only been a handful of custies that will pay you for just "chillin" with them. I'll usually sit and chat for 2 songs then ask for a dance and if they decline then I'll say excuse myself and probably come back around and ask again later. If they haven't tipped on stage for anyone or gotten any dances I'll prolly say something like Sacred said "I'd like to stay here and chat but I have to make some money tonight" Subtle hints, maybe they'll get the point, maybe they wont. But don't waste your time with them if you are getting the feeling they're just there for a free show.

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    I never pay girls to sit and chill. Then again I never ask them to sit and chill. If they decide to do so, I will buy them drinks and when they feel like they have to go they can. I never make a big deal of having them stay.

    On the other hand, I hate the wanna dance approach. And all of my regular girls are girls that sat and chilled for a little bit. This allowed me to get to know them and see if I liked them. They always get something when I am in.

    If you were specifically asked to stop your lucrative night, i.e. you were getting dances and someone asked you to stop giving them to others and sit, I think you should be paid for your time.

    If it is a slow night and you want to sit and have someone buy you a couple of drinks until it picks up, that choice it to your benefit and I shouldn't pay for that choice, IMO.

    If you are sitting with me in an effort to let me get to know you and make me want to buy a dance then that is time you are spending on the sale and the cost of doing business.

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    Ah, so we should just hang out with you for an hour and a half and let you enjoy the experience as much as possible in the hope of maybe getting $20 from you at some point?

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    Don't sit with a guy who isn't tipping or buying dances just because there is no one else to pursue. A lot of the time-wasters you are complaining about look around the club, determine that you have no other options and try to take advantage of you. Sit down and give a guy your pitch, give him five or ten minutes-two or three songs-and then ask him for a dance. If he says no then move on, if he says "maybe later" move on and try later, if he says "lets chat for awhile and see what happens" you need to figure out some cute and clever way to get a tip out of him "OK honey, but the meter is running, a girls gotta eat"...and hold out your garter. If he doesn't get it then it's time to move on. I seldom pay girls for convo but I don't ask or expect them to sit with me if I'm not interested in buying dances from them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Ah, so we should just hang out with you for an hour and a half and let you enjoy the experience as much as possible in the hope of maybe getting $20 from you at some point?
    I think the problem that pipermarau is facing is that she is in a small town, where there may be little else for customers to do than hang out in the club for hours, until they are ready to get a few dances and leave. Her customer base may also not have that much to spend, which makes them even less likely to spend early and often. Her situation is not likely to improve given her setting, so if it bothers her, she should consider moving to another market where the "wanna dance?" hustle is the name of the game.

    Personally, I don't pay dancers to sit and chat with me, but I let them know my intentions concerning getting dances or not before the end of the first song after they've sat down with me. Custies are sizing up dancers for LDs from the moment they walk in the door. If I know my answer is no before they sit down, I decline their company (nicely). If I know I want a dance, then I will ask for it right away. If she's hot, I don't wanna chat, I wanna dance, AND most importantly, she might not come back! (a bird in hand, etc..) If the jury is still out, I might chat for a song or two at the most, but I'm always mindful that the meter is running. I've had dancers sit in my lap for 20 minutes chatting away about nothing, even after I've told them right up front that I'm not interested in getting a dance. I figure they are either trying to sway my decision towards purchase, or they have no other viable prospects. But, if the dancer I really want doesn't stop by because there's someone sitting on my lap, I don't hesitate to tell her (nicely) to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Ah, so we should just hang out with you for an hour and a half and let you enjoy the experience as much as possible in the hope of maybe getting $20 from you at some point?

    Holy crap I'm being stalked. {I would insert smiley thing in here but I don't know how). No I never said you SHOULD do anything. What I said was that if I don't ask or expect you to sit with me and stop making money because I am taking up your time, then I don't pay for your time.

    I don't lead the dancers on with promises to get them to staty nor do I expect that simply because you choose to sit with me and I get to "enjoy the experience" (I won't get into that comment right now) that I somehow should give you money.

    I don't come over to your house, decide to mow your lawn uninvited and then say "Oh by the way you took up my time you owe me money."

    P.S. Please don't feel the need to vomit over this one Yekefah (another smiley thing here}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Ah, so we should just hang out with you for an hour and a half and let you enjoy the experience as much as possible in the hope of maybe getting $20 from you at some point?
    I have to agree with Slogan on this one. No one's holding a gun to your head to sit and talk to the customer. If you can make more money elsewhere, get up and leave.

    If it is slow and a dancer wants to sit and chat, maybe she should pay me for providing her with witty conversation, and making a slow night go by faster for her

    Seriously though, the dancer needs to decide how much time to commit talking to the customer, and decide for herself if she thinks her payout in dances will be a $20 one time dance, or a $500/week regular, or zilch. Being a good judge of that is part of your job.

    Asking me to pay you for having a conversation is almost like going to a car lot, and have the salesman say, okay, so your not ready to buy the car yet, how about paying me $20 and I'll stick around and keep trying to sell it to you

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    I agree that unless I asked you to sit, or I ask you to stay, it is your nickel. You gotta decide when to give up and move on. I have dancers come and sit and say nothing to me beyond hello. Others will chat for a while and hit me with wanna dance. I got no problem with that. I don't care for an unintroduced wanna dance, unless I tipped and said something to give her the impression I was interested.

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    ok, maybe i should add some detail, the 3 song limit doesn't work here, if i do that i will have gone throught he entire club in one hour, adn have to start right back at the first table. we don't get that crowded, even when it is standing room only, thats not even 100 people. it is a SMALL club. working with 15girls to 30 customers is the main problem. after 10pm people just stop comin in so i know by 10:30 what the night is going to look like. i live in the bible belt of texas. i need to figure out a way to make something out of my night because they have stopped tipping on stage all together, and they are seldomly buying dances now. they all come in with crown bottles on cradles and expect us to sit there all night for free and not dance, but get plastered with them. i tried a new approach all this week. i've been using tips from this site and they are not budging. i need to know how to work out getting paid. i also have tried throwing on shows, like hot for teacher and even the girl with the 'cops' routine isn't getting tipped. i've been leaving with less that $50 each night, and the last three in a row i've left with less than $10 and thats tippping only the minimum. help me...i can't move to another club because the only two in the area are...well....really really bad. i've worked in them before and the prostitution isn't worth fighting against. if i could go out of town i would but i can't travel. what is there left to do?

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    I have to be honest here. It doesn't sound like the guys going into your club are going to pony-up tips for conversation no matter what you try. Everything you are saying tells me it's a low income blue collar crowd and they are content to sit, drink and watch naked girls for as little out-of-pocket expense as possible. My point about the time or song limit is that you don't HAVE to sit with these guys just because there is no one else buying dances. Work the room. Somertimes you are better off sitting alone at the bar in a slow club than wasting time with a guy who clearly isn't spending. It sounds like a lousy club and a lousy situation. I wish you luck
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    Go to college and get a job that does better than 10 - 50 bucks a night.

    Otherwise tell the owner if there is no tipping, there is no titties.

    Sometimes a business just fails and you have to move on.

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    i've worked in a club where a slow night was 10 girls and 20-40 guys for the entire night, and the way to get money is to do the 2-3 song thing and get the men to stage tip you and pretty much ignore them except for stage tips (by taking frequent dressing room breaks) and repeat visits. you can come back and come back and come back to ask for dances, spending 5-10 minutes each time. in the meantime, you aren't wasting huge chunks of time on anyone and you'll see an increase in your stage money and you should be able to leave with 100-300 for the shift, depending on how lucky you get.

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    I agree with Mia. Don't sit with customers--it cheapens the product. If a guy is going to want a dance, he may well want a dance from the dancer who flits through the room every once in a while then is "busy" for long stretches, rather than the one he has been buying drinks for.

    Mix it up a bit--try different strategies on different nights and see what works best. Customers who come in a lot will probably also respond in a positive way if you are sometimes friendly, sometimes too busy to sit...It creates mystery for them.

    Last point is that by moving around more it creates the opportunity for the polite customer to spend money on other dancers who he may be waiting for, but who are not approaching him because you're sitting with him. This is also a possibility.
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    How are the other girls in your club doing? Are they making more than you or about the same? If everyone is doing as terrible as you, I would consider driving to a better club (like going down for a weekend and staying at a hotel) or getting a different job.

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    I think you need to look for a new club.

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    In relation to Jenna's question, are all the other girls at your club sitting with the guys? If so then perhaps this has set precedence at your club and the men are coming there with that state of mind. Can you maybe start getting all of your co-workers to stop sitting and talking with the customers unless they provide some monetary compensation. I mean, as human nature dictates, why should I pay for something that I can get for free? Take that free service away, and the only way to do that is to get every other girl in the club to pull the plug as well.

    This may make a lot of those "rocks" stop coming but those that are left will get the idea that they need to pay to play.

    I am not very knowledgeable about this and I may be talking out of my ass, but take it for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipermarau
    I've been working in this small town club for a year now, and most of my time spent is talking rather than dancing. i feel like its a huge rip off to spend and hour talking to a guy who is "chillin" just like the rest of the men in the room, and take forever to get "drunk enough" to get a dance.... i'm sorrry this is so long but i really do want the advice from some of you guys, how do i get the money for my time and not offend them? i left dallas for a reason and i just need to know what i am doing wrong, and how to get properly compensated.
    Chat for a song or two and move on - your income comes from PD's, not from conversation. If you just sit and chat to a guy without moving on, you are making it easy for him - there's no incentive to tip you for your time. He's getting what he wants without paying, and in a strip club, it's a buyer's market.

    To get PD's, conform to the classic male stereotype about dancers. As far as your custy is concerned you get a kick out of stripping for him, you find him attractive and you might, (just might), see him outside of work if he buys a PD or two. None of the above has to be true, your custy just has to believe it - and if he believes it, he's more likely to buy.

    An important part of this is body language - if you give a customer the impression you are attracted to him, then your chance of getting a PD goes up. There are certain signals we give out when we fancy someone - the dancers I know who get lots of PD's are adept at simulating those signals.

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    I'll have to disagree, phil. The only girls i get dances with are the ones who take time to sit with me. If they don't, if none of my regular girls are available, i may get some with the "dance and leave" girl, but i'll avoid her like the plague for a long time to come. Also, the "ur so hot, i want to get with u" thing would turn me off. I've never gotten this and i know the dancers aren't attracted to me, so that would have "mind game" written all over it. Still, that doens't mean we can't have a good time, drinks, nice conversation, fun dances, which is what i'm there for in the first place. Oh, and about tipping for conversation, i do so with gifts.

    However, i do know a lot of guys want u to sit without getting dances or tipping. Some will tip, some won't. I suggest taking stock of regulars at the club to find out who's who and who actually tips and gets dances and who doesn't.

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    um yah, that club sucks, I've never seen that. You should leave an find another place to work.

    Girls avoid single lone guys, an usually go for a group of guys, higher chance they're find someone for a lapdance.

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